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Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by mindgam3 on Monday September 03, 2018 @11:41PM (#17906465)
As much as I love to hate on Skype’s godawful and seemingly inexorable UX decline since the Microsoft acquisition, I have to give them credit for this latest rollback. It takes balls to admit that you were wrong on such a major redesign.

No idea what they were smoking when they decided that their target customer was Snapchat users. Skype is still relevant to me in 2018 because their core streaming tech is in my experience still more stable/reliable than Hangouts/FaceTime/Slack etc. Often Skype still connects on a crappy network when these other apps fail. This alone has made it my go-to for mission critical video chats. All I could do was cringe in embarrassment when trying to schedule business meetings and seeing those squiggles pop up all over the place.

Skype UX doesn’t need to be “fun”. It just needs to be usable. Kudos to the powers that be for making a tough call to benefit their core userbase.

Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by cm2187 on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @03:26AM (#17915757)
On the decline of skype since the Microsoft acquisition in 2011, there is a metric to observe it:

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=s...

Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by abrowne on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @08:24AM (#17917257)
That's for US searches, and it always seemed that Skype was more popular in Europe, but the graph is very similar if you change it to worldwide searches.
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by krn on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @07:20AM (#17916881)
Wow, this is pretty impressive. But where did these people go? Messenger didn't offer video calling until 2015, Whatsapp until 2016.
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by wccrawford on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @07:47AM (#17917029)
I simply quit using it. I didn't replace it with anything else.

Maybe a lot were like me, and simply didn't care enough to keep using it.

Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by Lazeb on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @11:06AM (#17918629)
Apple users stuck to facetime which probably broke up whatever contacts that people had through skype. As an android user I just slowly stopped using skype in favour of discord, except when required for job interviews.
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by wvenable on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @06:47PM (#17913521)
Companies are deathly afraid of introducing new brands and cling to the misguided idea of expanding their existing brand into unrelated territories. Usually this results in the brand losing all meaning.

So here we have Microsoft trying to leverage an existing brand (Skype) into new territory (social media). The technical aspect or what users actually want is a afterthought.

Microsoft could release their own alternative to current social media apps but they won't just start small and build a new brand.

Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by whatshisface on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @07:17PM (#17913698)
Brands are typically associated with external reputations, but nobody has more exposure to a brand than the employees of the company that owns it. As a result the brand has greater power inside the company than anywhere else - however much a person will say "I'll use this because the name Skype makes me feel good," so much more will Microsoft people say, "I will approve of this because the Skype name makes me feel good."
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by ethbro on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @08:00PM (#17913951)
> So here we have Microsoft trying to leverage an existing brand (Skype) into new territory

Did someone mention Skype for Business? (... Live 360 ME)

Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by cm2187 on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @03:28AM (#17915763)
And given how Microsoft trashed the skype brand, I wonder why they thought it was a good idea to use it for a new product.
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by Jaruzel on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @08:37AM (#17917331)
Even Skype for Business is now being deprecated, and Teams promoted in its place.
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by orev on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @09:18PM (#17914359)
See also: Firefox
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by wvenable on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @10:25PM (#17914616)
https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/evolving-the-firefox-bra...

I made a comment about this in a similar vain: Mozilla wants to overload the Firefox name to the point where it's totally meaningless. The success of the Firefox name is no doubt the reason but this fails to recognize that's not how names work. This direction is exactly the reason why Nintendo called their console "WiiU" and that turned out about as well as this ultimately will.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Firefox being the name of a single product. The entire underlying premise of this redesign is flawed.

Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by pssflops on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @12:14AM (#17914986)
What is especially notable about this is that Nintendo recently announced that their Just Dance 2019 game will come out on Wii and NOT the WiiU.
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by Jonnax on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @02:40AM (#17915553)
Just dance is made by Ubisoft not Nintendo.
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by Dreami on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @12:27AM (#17915028)
Just for nitpicking, the Wikipedia article says Wii U too (although I know that was a failure, I was just looking for this because it seemed interesting)
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by mjrbrennan on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @09:48PM (#17914496)
Have you tried out Zoom? Hands down best video chat / streaming service I've ever used, we used at at work for our fully remote team communication with no issue. High quality and barely ever any lag
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by buffalo2391 on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @11:30PM (#17914827)
I'm very hesitant about zoom. I use it for conference calling at my job and download the app when I had to listen in to a meeting I was off site for. The meeting ended I exited the call and thought nothing of it, then an hour or two later I got an access notification that zoom had opened my camera, while I was under the impression it had quit. Their technique of downloading an executable every time you open a meeting from the web is also strange and somewhat uncomfortable. I do agree that it works brilliantly but I have my concerns about privacy and safety regarding it.
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by acct1771 on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @01:59AM (#17915366)
> Their technique of downloading an executable every time you open a meeting from the web is also strange and somewhat uncomfortable.

Uncomfortable, yes. Strange, no. Very common for "enterprise" conference services to do this.

Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by foobarian on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @06:55PM (#17913583)
I feel like they have been redesigning way before the MS acquisition. Every year or so there is a new redesign and I can't find any of the buttons.
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by smelendez on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @08:17PM (#17914037)
They've also deemphasized Skype usernames, which is unfortunate in my most common use case: connecting with someone who requests we use Skype for a one-off international business call.

I find I can type, say, jsmith123 into the search box and I'll somehow either get multiple users listed as having that username or a bunch of similarly named accounts, possibly ranked higher than the one I explicitly typed in.

Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by csydas on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @04:41AM (#17916134)
We ran into this as well as our business used Skype for all internal communication for a time, and it was also used for remote interviews, because in the past most people has a Skype username. Now most don't, and Skype pushes that you sign up with your phone number, which is very hard to find, especially if you're linking to someone not from your country. There is no indicator if they used their local number, their number with the country code, their number with some combination of this, and so on. Likewise, it's not as simple as look for their number and add, you need to add them as a contact first then you can message them.

It's really unintuitive and contrary to how people use Skype. It's using the method whatsapp, telegram, et.al use, but they don't really have a discoverability feature. You know someone, or you don't until you know someone who does.

Skype should either have just ditched the username search or embraced it. They tried to make it both, but they really didn't pull it off well, and now there is an entire subset of the userbase you cannot find with their find feature.

Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by ian0 on Tuesday September 04, 2018 @09:05PM (#17914290)
Indeed. As far as I can remember its been a source of pride to have managed to keep an older version and avoided updates.

This last one on OSx has been particularly bad though. Its just so slow at doing even basic tasks like chatting.

Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by Rjevski on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @04:39AM (#17916118)
You can say thanks to Electron for this.
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by whywhywhywhy on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @06:00AM (#17916508)
It started way before that was even a thing, definitely remember when they switched from old school Contact list window + chat window to an all in one design on OS X my machine would rev up the fans when I video called on the latter.
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by hjek on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @08:06AM (#17917145)
> Skype is still relevant to me in 2018 because their core streaming tech is in my experience still more stable/reliable than Hangouts/FaceTime/Slack etc.

I think it's important to include at least one free video chat app when doing a comparison. Have you tried Jitsi Meet[0]?

[0]: https://meet.jit.si/

Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by dbbk on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @08:13AM (#17917194)
Skype, Hangouts, FaceTime and Slack are all free...?
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by fyolnish on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @09:03AM (#17917478)
As in beer.
Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by hjek on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @07:28PM (#17922724)
Exactly. Ok, free/libre then if you insist.

A link just to make sure: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html

Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by jorvi on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @04:45AM (#17916152)
> Skype is still relevant to me in 2018 because their core streaming tech is in my experience still more stable/reliable than Hangouts/FaceTime/Slack etc. Often Skype still connects on a crappy network when these other apps fail.

Wait what? I have, at least for personal communications, the exact opposite experience. Skype video often cuts out and pauses, or even entirely drops the connection, at which point me and my friend(s) either switch over to FaceTime (if they have iDevices as well, since its by far the most reliable in my experience) or WhatsApp video (decently reliable and pretty much everyone has it).

Re:Skype rolls back its redesign by ditching stories and squ... by pjmlp on Wednesday September 05, 2018 @05:07AM (#17916275)
I also share the same positive experience about Skype versus alternatives.