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Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by ravenstine on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @10:06PM (#17864801)
Or just go back to email, which is what I've done. Proton Mail is an excellent alternative to Gmail, and pretty much everyone, even Richard Stallman, has an email address. Reaching out to individuals or sending out a general update every once in a while will suffice. Unless one's friends are really immature, people will hesitate to send you photos of their food or their thoughts on some trite opinion piece.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by bduerst on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @10:10PM (#17864830)
What's wrong with GMail?

Google stopped mining it last year: https://blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in...

Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by vageli on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @10:34PM (#17864999)
> What's wrong with GMail?

> Google stopped mining it last year: https://blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in....

Google stopped mining it for ads, but it's disingenuous to say they stopped mining, period [0]. How do you think those Gmail suggested replies are generated?

[0]: https://variety.com/2017/digital/news/google-gmail-ads-email...

Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by annabellish on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @06:54AM (#17867219)
How do you think Gmail writes the content out onto the page? Goodness gracious, they have to store it and process it!

I don't really see how running the contents through an quick reply generation function is different to running it through whatever function prepares the body for display, here. An implementation of that which involves wide-scale mining of email content is imaginable, but not necessary.

Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by bduerst on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @01:13AM (#17865843)
> Smart Reply uses neural networks to figure out the main intent of an email, and then suggest short and adequate responses. It’s an incredibly useful feature, it works surprisingly well — and it clearly requires for Google’s computers to “read” your email.

Would you stop using Protonmail if they offered the same feature?

Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by ravenstine on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @01:56AM (#17865999)
I'm not sure who you are addressing, but I would stop using ProtonMail if they did. Then again, I've never found Google's response suggestions to be useful.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by baddox on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @10:52PM (#17865109)
So now they only mine it for things that are good for the user experience?
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by wolco on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @11:33PM (#17865362)
I'm sure that is the orginal intent but can quickly morph.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by TheSpiceIsLife on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @10:53PM (#17865120)
All the other reasons you shouldn’t use a “free” email service.

You can be locked out of your account for arbitrary-reason-of-the-day and good luck finding a contact number or email address for support.

If email is important to you, you probably shouldn’t be using a “free” service.

Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by tokyodude on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @11:26PM (#17865326)
You can be locked out of a paid service just as easily, with just as little support, and with no recourse.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by hegz on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @12:33AM (#17865657)
If my vps host blows up then I will start up a vps on another host, run the install script, import my backups and move the domain name. About 15 minutes work to resolved an issue that will probably never happen.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by wolco on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @11:37PM (#17865385)
Get a domain and host it somewhere.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by dymk on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @12:54AM (#17865756)
Why is this "Just move off the grid and live off the land" response so popular on HN?
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by ravenstine on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @02:00AM (#17866012)
Some people like independence more than others. Although it can be impractical in some cases, I do appreciate people who try to live "off the grid" in an age where we are born plugged in.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by TheSpiceIsLife on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @01:44AM (#17865961)
Well

“just use an existing service / do what everyone else is doing”

probably isn’t very representative of the entrepreneurial / hacker spirit.

Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by xeromal on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @01:38AM (#17865935)
Not to mention your self-hosted BS will be considered spam by nearly every major provider
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by jarfil on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @02:20AM (#17866087)
Not if you set your DKIM/SPF/DMARC/etc. correctly.

If you can't be bothered, just use a provider who will set it for you... like Google.

Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by int_19h on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @11:17PM (#17865260)
The big problem with email lock-in is that when you switch providers, you can't take your old address with you. Best case, you can set up forwarding. Worst case, if your account just gets deleted, or the provider goes out of business, everyone who only knows your old address cannot contact you anymore.

This, in turn, means that even when considering non-free email service providers, you need some reassurance that provider will be around and will not institute crazy policies in the future. Which favors large providers like Google over smaller ones, and reinforces the lock-in.

Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by southerndrift on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @12:02AM (#17865503)
You register your own domain. Usually that comes with free email accounts. If the provider goes down then you still control the domain so that you can move to a new provider.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by minikites on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @11:20PM (#17865273)
Fastmail has been around for almost 20 years and I've been using them for more than 10.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by qrbLPHiKpiux on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @02:05AM (#17866032)
I use this with an rpi running offline imap read-only.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by ravenstine on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @02:04AM (#17866029)
Transitions aren't really too difficult so long as proper steps are taken:

- Notify your contacts of your address change.

- Set your old address to forward to your new address and always reply to emails from your new one.

- After 2 months, set your old email to auto-reply to all messages saying that you have changed your address and the old one will soon be deactivated.

- Finally, turn deactivate the old email.

It's work, but I've done it on multiple occasions. I wonder if there could be a service that could automate the entire process, since it could all be done via IMAP.

Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by paradite on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @02:50AM (#17866215)
It doesn't work if you suddenly lost your access without prior notice.

I have documented a few cases of such unnoticed termination in my blog post:

https://paradite.com/2016/02/18/stay-independent-problems-wi...

Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by ravenstine on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @12:32AM (#17865653)
It's not so much that I don't like Gmail, but I don't like Google in general. All other reasons aside, it's not a very good idea to ever put trust in an ad agency. I'd much rather support smaller companies that make money off their service or product, as opposed to Google which tries to compete in a lot of spaces in order to suck people in to its ecosystem.

Over time, I've been replacing various Google services with smaller alternatives. At this point, it's down to Youtube, which is pretty hard to beat. But it feels a lot better to provide usership to smaller businesses that could use it more.