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Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by TheSpiceIsLife on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @10:53PM (#17865120)
All the other reasons you shouldn’t use a “free” email service.

You can be locked out of your account for arbitrary-reason-of-the-day and good luck finding a contact number or email address for support.

If email is important to you, you probably shouldn’t be using a “free” service.

Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by tokyodude on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @11:26PM (#17865326)
You can be locked out of a paid service just as easily, with just as little support, and with no recourse.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by hegz on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @12:33AM (#17865657)
If my vps host blows up then I will start up a vps on another host, run the install script, import my backups and move the domain name. About 15 minutes work to resolved an issue that will probably never happen.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by wolco on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @11:37PM (#17865385)
Get a domain and host it somewhere.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by dymk on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @12:54AM (#17865756)
Why is this "Just move off the grid and live off the land" response so popular on HN?
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by ravenstine on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @02:00AM (#17866012)
Some people like independence more than others. Although it can be impractical in some cases, I do appreciate people who try to live "off the grid" in an age where we are born plugged in.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by TheSpiceIsLife on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @01:44AM (#17865961)
Well

“just use an existing service / do what everyone else is doing”

probably isn’t very representative of the entrepreneurial / hacker spirit.

Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by xeromal on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @01:38AM (#17865935)
Not to mention your self-hosted BS will be considered spam by nearly every major provider
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by jarfil on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @02:20AM (#17866087)
Not if you set your DKIM/SPF/DMARC/etc. correctly.

If you can't be bothered, just use a provider who will set it for you... like Google.

Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by int_19h on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @11:17PM (#17865260)
The big problem with email lock-in is that when you switch providers, you can't take your old address with you. Best case, you can set up forwarding. Worst case, if your account just gets deleted, or the provider goes out of business, everyone who only knows your old address cannot contact you anymore.

This, in turn, means that even when considering non-free email service providers, you need some reassurance that provider will be around and will not institute crazy policies in the future. Which favors large providers like Google over smaller ones, and reinforces the lock-in.

Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by southerndrift on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @12:02AM (#17865503)
You register your own domain. Usually that comes with free email accounts. If the provider goes down then you still control the domain so that you can move to a new provider.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by minikites on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @11:20PM (#17865273)
Fastmail has been around for almost 20 years and I've been using them for more than 10.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by qrbLPHiKpiux on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @02:05AM (#17866032)
I use this with an rpi running offline imap read-only.
Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by ravenstine on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @02:04AM (#17866029)
Transitions aren't really too difficult so long as proper steps are taken:

- Notify your contacts of your address change.

- Set your old address to forward to your new address and always reply to emails from your new one.

- After 2 months, set your old email to auto-reply to all messages saying that you have changed your address and the old one will soon be deactivated.

- Finally, turn deactivate the old email.

It's work, but I've done it on multiple occasions. I wonder if there could be a service that could automate the entire process, since it could all be done via IMAP.

Re:Twitter’s deletion of its FB app caused old cross-posts t... by paradite on Wednesday August 29, 2018 @02:50AM (#17866215)
It doesn't work if you suddenly lost your access without prior notice.

I have documented a few cases of such unnoticed termination in my blog post:

https://paradite.com/2016/02/18/stay-independent-problems-wi...