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Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by gurumeditations on Saturday August 25, 2018 @06:50PM (#17843012)
I’ve found that much high-brow literature (such as that found in The Atlantic which I like to read a lot) enjoys taking multiple sentences and paragraphs to explain an idea that only needs 10% of the words that are actually used. AKA fluff to give the appearance of intellectualism. It’s why I skim.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by LanceH on Saturday August 25, 2018 @08:12PM (#17843372)
There is the trend on so many articles linked from HN to not get to the point until 8+ paragraphs in. They don't even reference the headline and the main point.

Then when the address the point briefly they flashback to the subject's childhood and talk about some formative event that shaped everything to put him into the place where he might take on this problem.

I skim because I trust very few sources to actually deliver on the promise of a headline and I don't care to invest a page or two reading before the article actually starts and I can make a judgement.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by JacobJans on Saturday August 25, 2018 @11:43PM (#17844120)
> I don't care to invest

I think this gets to the core of it.

When we're bombarded headlines from hundreds, if not thousands, of articles in a day, how do you know which ones are worth investing your time in?

This is a question worth answering, because many many people are investing their time mostly in headlines, and skim reading. Which means they never get depth, which has obvious negative consequences.

This is not just a question that we should answer individually, but as a society. There is a real cost to disproportionate amounts of headline surfing and skim reading.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by SerLava on Sunday August 26, 2018 @12:48AM (#17844314)
Absolutely.

I have spent a good amount of time writing and editing professionally. The absolute worst writing happens when someone believes they are owed attention simply because they wrote something.

The gall! Maybe people would skim less if so many writers weren't cramming tomes down our throats to serve their own interests.

Even then, skimming is a fundamental reading skill and I simply cannot imagine how ignorant I would be if I never did it.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by LanceH on Sunday August 26, 2018 @01:33AM (#17844439)
I really don't even mind tons of extra words. It just seems to be some new style (last 10 years especially) that deliberately avoids touching on the theme as long as possible. Also hard-jumping away from the theme frequently to tell other stories. It's beyond digression or elaboration IMO.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by newsbinator on Sunday August 26, 2018 @04:37AM (#17844941)
And that's when Steven realized what had been causing the illness in tens of thousands of people for over a decade...

- - -

Two poplar trees stood in the backyard of the house where Steven was born in 1958. Not so much a "back yard" as a "back lawn", one of the trees, nearly 200 years old...

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by SerLava on Sunday August 26, 2018 @10:46AM (#17846142)
Is this a real article or just brilliant satire?
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by TacticalTable on Sunday August 26, 2018 @12:45PM (#17846654)
Seems to be some excellent satire, Google shows this page as the only result for the phrase
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by newsbinator on Sunday August 26, 2018 @10:58PM (#17849183)
I just made it up.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by LanceH on Sunday August 26, 2018 @02:48PM (#17847219)
This is what I'm talking about.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by dood on Monday August 27, 2018 @06:56AM (#17850635)
I almost reflexively closed the tab just from reading this comment.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by newsbinator on Monday August 27, 2018 @09:21AM (#17851322)
Someone should make a well-being app that forces you to get up from your computer by displaying enraging text snippets in a modal, with no close button, for 15 minutes.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by SerLava on Sunday August 26, 2018 @10:51AM (#17846158)
Oh Lord yes! I'm totally with you. That's a whole separate tier of Hell.

I think they're either chasing gamified time-on page metrics, or are just deeply conceited. Whenever that happens to me I consider myself pranked by the writer.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by John_KZ on Sunday August 26, 2018 @02:21AM (#17844565)
This is the problem. Low quality journalism and lack of trust.

How do you know if this article is actually good and worth your time? You don't, and the last 20 articles you read are crap. In fact modern journalism is so bad, that once in a week I'll come across a real article, well-structured, providing good background, written by a knowledgeable individual that understands the subject, and oh my, the difference is incredible. I had forgotten journalism can be that good. You know, actually useful.

The way to fix is is to financially support good journalism. It's not easy (there isn't a good system built for this, how many subscriptions can you really pay for?) but it's definitely possible.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by snaky on Monday August 27, 2018 @04:43AM (#17850222)
> How do you know if this article is actually good

By author's name. The problem is, even on sites, where you can subscribe to not the whole site, but particular section, you usually cannot subscribe to particular author.

Then Twitter provides a way to do it. Find the author at Twitter, and subscribe - usually he or she will be announce there every publication he or she made - you can even trivially gate his or her tweets with links to RSS if you wish, using Twitter groups and IFTT.

By the way, if you want to support the author, using Tweeter you can do this too - likes and retweets are valuable and to promote good author among your subscribers is good for everyone.

The problem is authors don't tweet links on their own works only, more often than not they tweet links on many other things, and more often than not, you are not interested in the everything the author read or discuss, but only in his or her journalist works. Technically it's possible to filter this by parsing the pages from author tweet links, and find there his or her name.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by kd5bjo on Sunday August 26, 2018 @03:20AM (#17844728)
In a traditional magazine, those stories would be in a sidebar or as minor articles on the same spread. The web isn’t conducive to this sort of multiple text flows presented together, so they’re being shoved into the main body of the article. Hopefully we’ll end up with some sort of compromise between these two, but it will take years of experimenting with this new format before the publishing industry really figures out the right solution.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by gymshoes on Monday August 27, 2018 @02:51AM (#17849847)
I think a lot of fluff is because the publishers require the writers to have a minimum number of words.

Same seems to be with books. Most books I see are almost around the same thickness and size which might mean the publisher has some influence on the length of the texts.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by brightball on Sunday August 26, 2018 @12:32AM (#17844265)
For what it’s worth, I had one of those make the front page a couple of months ago. I did a big background explanation lead in (that several people commented wasn’t necessary) mainly because I wanted to establish a bit of a “right to have an opinion” on the subject.

Might not have been necessary but I felt like I needed to do it.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by pas on Sunday August 26, 2018 @06:28PM (#17848283)
When a headline makes a big big biig case, and the body of the text doesn't immediately starts with the smoking gun, then I feel cheated. Sure, background and setting are important, but epistemically they gives us almost nothing.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by ianlevesque on Sunday August 26, 2018 @01:01AM (#17844361)
A bio can be handy for that.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by newsbinator on Sunday August 26, 2018 @04:38AM (#17844945)
post hoc "right to have an opinion" blurbs probably work equally well.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by mshenfield on Sunday August 26, 2018 @09:04AM (#17845750)
This article in particular doesn't seem like a good example of your generalisation. No ridiculous childhood flashback, and the headline is a facet of the main point expressed in the first paragraph.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by LanceH on Sunday August 26, 2018 @02:50PM (#17847228)
I was saying that I start skimming to see if I'm in one of those articles.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by robax on Saturday August 25, 2018 @06:57PM (#17843036)
This comment hits the nail on the head for me. I’m mostly a non-fiction reader and so many authors dance around their point or reiterate it over and over. Robert Greene is the first offender to come to mind for me but I’m also reading Sapiens and feel the same there. If anyone has any low-fluff book recommendations I’d love to hear them!
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by FabHK on Sunday August 26, 2018 @03:37AM (#17844764)
Counterpoint:

You only really grasp a point when you hear it many times, and see it applied (or even better apply it yourself).

There is this online service selling summarised versions of popular books. I’ve read many of those summaries, and undoubtedly the key points are all contained in there. But: you read it, and then you forget.

The complete book takes time to lay out the key points and arguments, puts them in context, explains various aspects, gives many examples, challenges you to apply them, and, yes, repeats them. And that’s what you need to actually take them on board. It’s a whole web of beliefs.

As an extreme example: you could give the basic definitions and axioms of, say, group theory on one page, and say “the rest follows”. No fluff. But somebody that’s only read that page has no idea about group theory. For that you need the book, with fluff.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by nine_k on Sunday August 26, 2018 @05:39AM (#17845106)
Reiterating and showing from different angles and in various contexts = good.

Not getting to the point, or giving relevant context and precursor ideas, while dwelling on unrelated subjects = fluff.

I like my non-fiction the way I like science articles: starting with a summary, and diving into all necessary details later.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by readcarefully on Sunday August 26, 2018 @11:00AM (#17846197)
Technical writing must be this way.

However using poetic language in writing that's trying to communicate scientific understanding to everyone, I find, is useful and appropriate. Look at Carl Sagan's popular writings, or some of Asimov's more science related works for good examples.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by gymshoes on Monday August 27, 2018 @02:41AM (#17849815)
> There is this online service selling summarised versions of popular books.

It's blinkist

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by FabHK on Monday August 27, 2018 @07:09AM (#17850677)
The one I had in mind was getAbstract.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by Tycho on Saturday August 25, 2018 @10:50PM (#17843942)
NN Taleb’s books. He has said that books should surprise the reader every single page or else it’s not real writing.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by telltale123 on Saturday August 25, 2018 @11:21PM (#17844042)
I read parts of a couple of Taleb’s books, Black Swan and Antifragile. There are a few original ideas in each and then they are reapplied again and again in different domains.

I often get how the applications go after reading the section titles, thus I think it can still be more concise. That said, the two books have much better signal-to-noise ratio than some high-brow journalistic pieces.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by DenisM on Saturday August 25, 2018 @11:56PM (#17844160)
I found the black swan to be 80% fluff. Still a worthwhile reading, though.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by nottorp on Sunday August 26, 2018 @03:46AM (#17844790)
Black Swan could have been a pretty good book at 15% of it's current size. I got tired of being told the same thing in at least 5-6 different ways every time and never finished it.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by jl2718 on Sunday August 26, 2018 @12:59AM (#17844351)
Could not tolerate. I read hundreds of nonfiction books, and this is one of the few I could not get through.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by DenisM on Sunday August 26, 2018 @01:32AM (#17844435)
I found it worth the struggle in the end. One of the most influential books in my life, I’d probably put it as #3.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by 77pt77 on Sunday August 26, 2018 @12:37AM (#17844278)
> NN Taleb’s books

Quite the opposite. He expands one single argument ad nauseum into each of his books.

It's exasperating.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by Tycho on Sunday August 26, 2018 @01:13AM (#17844390)
which single argument?
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by 77pt77 on Sunday August 26, 2018 @01:32AM (#17844437)
Each book has a different one.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by giardini on Sunday August 26, 2018 @11:02AM (#17846209)
And they are?
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by pas on Sunday August 26, 2018 @06:45PM (#17848342)
> Black Swan

Fat tailed probability distributions are fat tailed...! Assuming normal distribution underestimates risky events.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat-tailed_distribution

> and Antifragile

Simple complex systems are too complex to be simple enough ...!

Okay, so this is a bit more technical, but the important thing is that unintelligent systems (= they are simple) that are complex (= have complex dynamics) are bad at adapting to different circumstances.

Also, these systems are products of design trade offs. (We want things to be cheap and get done fast, and also politically okay, and so on.) And thus they are not robust enough, nor resilient enough. They are fragile. (Taleb laments a lot about how antifragiltiy is different from robustness and resilience. And sure, they are because he uses a model in which they are.)

And the book talks about what is needed for anti-fragility, and it turns out that some kind of feedback loop that optimizes for certain problems. Or of course intelligence.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by shriphani on Monday August 27, 2018 @12:42AM (#17849476)
The core point you missed in antifragile is inference in the presence of uncertainty - a conservative barbell like strategy (80-20 rule or 90-10 rule). This is very easy to overlook but this to me was the key takeaway - in structuring a portfolio, picking art projects etc.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by pas on Tuesday August 28, 2018 @03:29AM (#17857106)
I left it out, because I'm not convinced it works. For example it doesn't respond well to shocks. The whole market goes down. Your portfolio shrinks. (Sure, probably it can be structured as a semi-passive fund, that buys when the market is low, and moves back to more doomsday assets when it starts to fall.)
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by dood on Monday August 27, 2018 @06:58AM (#17850642)
Could you give an example of this please?
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by shriphani on Monday August 27, 2018 @11:32AM (#17852074)
As an example, what sort of portfolio should you set up for your money. Taleb's recommendation is to avoid all kinds of "risk-modeling" and to invest 80 - 90% in highly conservative investments and the remaining 10% in ultra risky ones. He calls this a barbell investment. Positive black swan events from the ultra risky bets will still get you a nice return and the negative black swan events won't wipe you out.

The barbell strategy is applied to a lot more domains throughout the book - a small excerpt: https://www.nuggetsofthought.com/2018/04/02/nassim-taleb-sen...

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by 77pt77 on Monday August 27, 2018 @12:10AM (#17849382)
Thank you.

I couldn't have explained it better.

> Fooled by randomness.

Selection / survivorship bias

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by canhascodez on Sunday August 26, 2018 @12:34AM (#17844269)
Taleb has often been accused of lacking rigor in his arguments. He does write well, though.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by josephjrobison on Saturday August 25, 2018 @07:34PM (#17843182)
Repetition of the core concepts from multiple different angles is a great way to reiterate the lessons over and over.

I also don’t like when they beat around the bush, but repetition increases retention.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by mirimir on Saturday August 25, 2018 @10:56PM (#17843961)
The classic form is 1) summarize what you're going to say; 2) say it; and 3) summarize and discuss what you've said. But this piece repeats the same arguments, in different words, just a few paragraphs apart. And that annoys me. But maybe it's written for people who just skim.

Also, when reading nonfiction, I typically read the beginning and the end, and then skim the rest. If it seems worth the time, then I read the whole thing.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by goostavos on Sunday August 26, 2018 @02:49AM (#17844648)
>I typically read the beginning and the end, and then skim the rest. If it seems worth the time, then I read the whole thing.

I saw this advice for reading papers, and it has been extremely useful to me for deciding if something is worth reading. For whatever reason though, I have some kind of aversion to doing it with books. Some form of childhood engrained "eat your vegetables" kind of conditioning about finishing books cover to cover.

I should really try it though. I've slogged through many non-fiction books with little beside annoyance to show for it.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by bathMarm0t on Saturday August 25, 2018 @07:36PM (#17843190)
Is the counter-swing of low-fluff incomprehensible density?

I think if you want to avoid fluff, read something that was written more than 20 years ago. Time has a means of eroding away the pop-sci books (Will anyone read Gladwell in 20 years?). I personally like reading the pivotal pieces of a field / founding texts. Jung and Nietzsche come to mind.

Maybe another question you could ask (a fluff test if you will): Could you see a college course using the text as a primary source?

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by whatshisface on Saturday August 25, 2018 @07:57PM (#17843300)
>I think if you want to avoid fluff, read something that was written more than 20 years ago. Time has a means of eroding away the pop-sci books (Will anyone read Gladwell in 20 years?). I personally like reading the pivotal pieces of a field / founding texts. Jung and Nietzsche come to mind.

Historical philosophers are not even remotely comparable to present-day popular authors, a more fair comparison would be to present-day philosophers. Present-day popular authors are best compared to old popular authors, like the ones who wrote books on manners for 1800s Americans who wanted to use their affluence to become more like old-world elites, or the 1950s authors that wrote manuals on how to "be a man."

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by emodendroket on Saturday August 25, 2018 @10:20PM (#17843856)
Even if we stick to fluffier stuff, if it's been around for a while it's probably got some merits (for instance, Agatha Christie or Raymond Chandler are not exactly challenging authors, but they're really good at what they do).
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by FabHK on Sunday August 26, 2018 @03:19AM (#17844725)
FWIW, I’d consider both authors you cite peddlers of mistaken (and potentially dangerous) ideas. Read early psychoanalysis and German idealism out of historical interest, by all means (certainly very influential), but please don’t appropriate that way of thinking.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by Swizec on Saturday August 25, 2018 @07:36PM (#17843193)
If you want low fluff non fiction, go for business books. They're often short and to the point because they're written for busy people and aim to convey real information.

A lot of for-the-masses nonfiction books suffer from the incentives problem. They're not selling information, they're selling the feeling of being smart, intellectual, and well informed. They don't aim to teach you anything, they aim to give you ammunition to impress your friends with at a dinner party.

As such they have to be large and voluminous so you can feel good about yourself just by buying them. Then they have to convey the core point in the first 30 pages because you're not going to read more than that probably. The rest is there to give you cool anecdotes and supporting arguments so you can impress your friends further should they probe (and you actually read that far).

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by majos on Saturday August 25, 2018 @08:47PM (#17843519)
What? This is the opposite of my experience, every business book I've read has mostly consisted of bullet-point platitudes. Short doesn't mean informative.

Do you have recommendations that might be different?

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by barry-cotter on Saturday August 25, 2018 @10:32PM (#17843891)
The Personal MBA, Josh Kauffman

The Hard Thing About Hard Things, Ben Horowitz

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by majos on Saturday August 25, 2018 @08:48PM (#17843523)
Can't speak for The Atlantic, but I think The Economist qualifies as "high-brow" and pretty dang information-dense. Just reading and remembering like 30% of the articles gets me far.

At this point I just read the weekly (print) issue and only go deeper on things that interest me. I am of course missing things, but it's been much less stressful and more informative than skimming the NYT every morning.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by martinpw on Saturday August 25, 2018 @10:56PM (#17843955)
Another benefit to reading a weekly news source versus a daily is that the average quality is higher, since the most important N stories in a week are going to be a better overall sample than the most important N/7 stories each day integrated over the same week.

The Economist also has great round-the-world coverage, which is more than can be said for most news sources.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by FabHK on Sunday August 26, 2018 @03:44AM (#17844785)
Couldn’t agree more. Read books and The Economist, skip the dailies.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by detuur on Sunday August 26, 2018 @06:52AM (#17845303)
The Economist is definitely a high-brow, low-fluff, high-density publication. I love it. Articles are usually short enough that you can get through them in a just a minute and they have a good graphics department that makes clear, readable graphs that actually provide an added value instead of filling in some empty space. Shows that it is possible to stick to the message.

For political reporting it seems like Politico is sticking to the same formula (at least Politico.eu), which explains their popularity.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by ivm on Sunday August 26, 2018 @11:29AM (#17846328)
Their writing style is also great, it feels very British: slightly sarcastic and with lots of clever puns.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by apatters on Sunday August 26, 2018 @01:22AM (#17844407)
Google incentivizes all kinds of online content to engage in this behavior as well. Articles that rank well are long and filled with keyword-rich exposition. Concise, bulleted summaries of facts don't give Googlebot as much information and consequently tend to show up in fewer searches. (And Google is trying to be your main source for fact lookup anyway)
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by goostavos on Sunday August 26, 2018 @02:51AM (#17844650)
Also, why recipe sites are among the most annoying on the internet.

Life story with a hidden recipe injected somewhere on the body

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by badwolf on Sunday August 26, 2018 @09:58AM (#17845956)
That is currently one of the things that annoys me the most.

Well, probably a toss up between that, and breaking out a recipe over a 10 page slideshow.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by fjsolwmv on Sunday August 26, 2018 @04:52PM (#17847842)
Why would unrelated information make a recipe rank higher for "chicken recipe"?
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by emodendroket on Saturday August 25, 2018 @10:18PM (#17843846)
In my opinion, if a book doesn't deserve close reading it likely doesn't deserve reading at all. I'll make an exception for purely informational texts, I suppose, but for the most part if I've chosen a book-length work I'm looking for something engaging, not something to skim.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by scarejunba on Sunday August 26, 2018 @02:52PM (#17847241)
Why texts are so long these days

When I was a child, my father and I would go fishing in summer. In summer, the fish feed on all the insects that ...

54 pages of unrelated anecdotes later

Irrespective of whether or not you think texts are too long these days, what's clear is that both long and short texts are here to stay.

Fucking brilliant, mate. Five stars. Good show. And then people will link this nonsense everywhere. The question posed will not be answered, the writer will have performed some puerile creative writing exercise, and you'll be left wondering why you bother reading this stuff.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by fjsolwmv on Sunday August 26, 2018 @04:53PM (#17847847)
Which days are "these days"?

Do you remember serials?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_(literature)

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by scarejunba on Sunday August 26, 2018 @07:49PM (#17848558)
Haha, sorry, that was a fictional title for the fictional story I have there. I would probably hate 98% of serials. Fortunately, time has winnowed the set down to the good ones.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by ConceptJunkie on Monday August 27, 2018 @01:16PM (#17852798)
Sometimes I'll skip just to see if the article's worth reading and go back and read it for real if it seems to be.

Sometimes I'll just skim because, as you say, a lot of articles take forever to get to the point. Reading the first sentence of each paragraph seems to work well.

There are a lot of reason we skim, some good and some bad. The nature of articles, etc., on the Internet encourages skimming. It's like reading the newspaper used to be, except the newspaper is a million times larger and of much more uneven quality.

I read fewer books than I did 30 years ago before I was regularly online, but probably read as much, or more. Of course, a lot of what I read is fluff or crap (or both), which concerns me, but oftentimes comment sections can be informative and insightful.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by mshenfield on Sunday August 26, 2018 @08:57AM (#17845731)
The majority (2/3) of the piece is evidence to back up an idea. This includes a grouchy anecdote, along with 4 or 5 studies linking screen reading to reduced comprehension, empathy, and critical thought.

I didn't find the evidence in the article compelling. But I'm glad it was there and don't think it was fluff.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by sytelus on Monday August 27, 2018 @10:17PM (#17856160)
Lot of journalists/reporters are still trained and required to write stories such that it fills X pages. This could have been necessity on print media but its outrageous on electronic screens. My hypothesis is that people skim on electronic screens more because there is always something else available if current piece is on some word count rampage. This article itself is so fluffy and the reporter could have explained core idea and results in one paragraph but instead they like to play this game where reader must spend a lot of time and attention before secret is revealed.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by onion2k on Sunday August 26, 2018 @02:31AM (#17844595)
I enjoy the writing in The Atlantic precisely because of the use of language there. That 'fluff' is what makes it interesting and entertaining. If I wanted to just have an idea explained I'd read Wikipedia.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by tw1010 on Saturday August 25, 2018 @07:06PM (#17843065)
On the other hand, that's probably a good sign you should select your inputs more carefully. Try reading some time tested classics or a bunch of books that you know have a great signal-to-noise ratio. You'll probably find your noise ignorer starved soon enough.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by natmaka on Sunday August 26, 2018 @02:48AM (#17844646)
In some (most?) cases those 10% of the words that are actually used are not the same for all readers. What is fluff to you may not be to me. When it comes to be sure to be understood many express the same idea in multiple ways (discourse levels) consecutively.

Many (most? at the very least "more and more") consumers buy printed matter "by weight", they somewhat "score" by dividing the number of pages by the price. It may be considered adequate for entertainment material, and may be adopted (for many/all types of goods) because it is our standard way of scoring goods. AFAIK there is no well-known generic method to a priori appreciate whether a good is adequate (adequacy being a part of "quality", which is always hard to evaluate).

It's quantity/quality, all over again. Only the former seems absolute to us, and a good scoring method delivers an absolute result.

IMHO there is a way to pepper a text with anecdotes/useless details, or even to structure it thanks to them, which gained traction in US newspaper material and now seems pervasive to me (thanks to our "global culture"?). It may sometimes be used as a trick to give life or credibility (fake news ahead! Liars tend to pile details up) to a story, or to appeal to some readers' empathy ("Wow, he uses a kettle pot similar to mine, so we are similar!").

A perfect thing "lacks nothing and nothing can be added" (Vitruvius). Aiming at perfection slows the building process, and most written material sold is short-lived ("long tail"). For a publishing company the editorial process (<=> refining contents by adding what is missing and also cutting fluff, in an often painful and always lengthy back-and-forth between the author and an editor) leads to more loss (an enraged author quits) and time-to-market (competing products are first on the market). Paying the author according to the amount of written material he produces simplifies.

It's "good enough" and "on time", all over again.

A piece of text without repetition and rephrasing will only content the focused reader. Misread or misunderstand something and you are lost. Focused people are rare (and may even be more and more so), and even them often cannot read continuously in a proper (calm) environment for a long time. Therefore nearly all of us always skim. Most products are not completely devoid of contents, therefore upon skimming one will probably find some material interesting him, albeit skimming over dense material leads to a total failure.

Theoretically footnotes and the hypertext approach may alleviate part of this, but many readers just get lost in those links.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by goodmachine on Sunday August 26, 2018 @09:38AM (#17845865)
Definitely so: but you're missing something too. I've found that STEM grads and philosophers often take this point of view, perhaps because they find nuanced arguments challenging or redundant: they see no value in the telling itself, in indirection or deliberate ambiguity.

A philosopher friend of mine, for example, refuses to read novels because he claims the basic propositions of most fiction can be more concisely expressed. Why read a whole book to learn that love is hard? This is true: his loss.

Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by jplayer01 on Sunday August 26, 2018 @09:45AM (#17845893)
Most philosophers I know are perfectly happy reading books.
Re:Skim reading is the new normal. The effect on society is ... by mathattack on Sunday August 26, 2018 @12:52AM (#17844326)
Most non-fiction too. Frequently it’s one idea dumbed down and then stretched to a couple hundred pages.