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Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by excalibur on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:45PM (#17812529)
> With enough ice sitting at the surface—within the top few millimeters—water would possibly be accessible as a resource for future expeditions to explore and even stay on the Moon, and potentially easier to access than the water detected beneath the Moon's surface.

OR: It could be collected, shipped back to earth, bottled, and sold to the wealthy at ludicrous prices.

Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by madza on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:38PM (#17812976)
Forgive me. It’s been stuck at the back of my brain for 30 years now.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0087451/

Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by Bluestrike2 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @04:51PM (#17813681)
That trailer's voiceover is so cheesy, I have to hunt down the movie and watch it. And the movie poster: "See...Great Special Affects!" Clearly, the producers had a lot of self-awareness.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0087451/mediaviewer/rm3916634368

Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by excalibur on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @04:52PM (#17813691)
See... Space Herpie the Love Bug!
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by Bluestrike2 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @04:55PM (#17813732)
And see...Ferocious Space Possums!
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by mixmastamyk on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @02:36AM (#17816798)
John Matuszak… had forgotten the guy existed, brings back some memories.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by PhasmaFelis on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:33PM (#17812932)
“We’re taking waters. Would you like a water?”

“Why not?” said Novak.

Daizaburo signaled a crab. It began speaking Nihongo. “English, please,” said Daizaburo.

“Antarctic glacier water,” offered the crab. “A deep core from Pleistocene deposits. Entirely unpolluted, undisturbed since the dawn of humanity. Profoundly pure.”

“What a delightful conceit,” said Novak. “Very Vietti.”

“We have lunar water,” said the crab. “Very interesting isotopic properties.”

“Did you ever drink water from the moon, my dear?” Novak asked her.

Maya shook her head.

“We’ll have the lunar water,” Novak ordered.

--Bruce Sterling, Holy Fire.

(I should really reread that. Thanks for reminding me!)

Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by cgriswald on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @06:38PM (#17814486)
OR, we could call it H2Moon and heavily imply it is moon water but actually just source it from the local water and run it through a filter, even during droughts.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @10:55PM (#17815911)
> we could call it H2Moon

The real winner is steak from a cow entirely raised on the stuff. H2Moos.

Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by ianai on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @07:07PM (#17814692)
When can we start?
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by dawnerd on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:52PM (#17812595)
I think the wealthy would rather take a vacation to the moon.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by excalibur on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:56PM (#17812633)
Likely, but the ice-mining scheme will be much easier to pull off, and will therefore be possible sooner, and is therefore more likely to be the primary means by which these resources are exploited.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by zipwitch on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:01PM (#17812678)
To save mass (and thus cost) they'll probably dehydrate the water before shipping it back to Earth. Their target market won't care.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by excalibur on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:03PM (#17812704)
Or they could sell it in different concentrations. You can get 1% moonwater for $1000/bottle, or 99% moonwater for $100K/bottle.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by toast0 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:24PM (#17813979)
I think you could do better selling it homeopathic. 1x10^-12 is way more expensive!
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by glandium on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @07:06PM (#17814682)
10^-12 is only a 6C dilution. The dilution advocated by Hahnemann is 30C, which is 10^-60. Oscillococcinum is at 200C (10^-400).
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by rzzzt on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:20PM (#17812827)
They could also split it up, and ship the gases in compressed form.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by Symmetry on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:14PM (#17813901)
Because oxygen and especially hydrogen are such a pain to store compared to water some rocket designs contemplate just leaving all the fuel mass as water and only splitting it into its parts as needed before firing.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by accrual on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @10:54PM (#17815900)
Water is also effective at blocking radiation [0][1], making it especially useful when stored around the spacecraft occupants.

[0] https://www.quora.com/Can-we-use-water-or-ice-as-radiation-s...

[1] https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/284275main_Radiation_HS_Mod3.pdf (page 4)

Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by dmurray on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @08:35PM (#17815157)
Don't you need an energy source to turn the water into its parts? That's the energy you recoup when you burn the hydrogen. Or did I miss the joke?
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by GW150914 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @08:41PM (#17815200)
Presumably this would be done with a small nuclear reactor powering an electrolysis system, in which case it’s feasible. Your savings are in complexity and weight because containing a mass of water is trivial, and naturally dense compared to H or O. As an extra feature you need water anyway, it can be used as a coolant, and you need oxygen which you’re now generating as a byproduct. Presumably for cruising you’d use the nuclear reactor to power an ion drive and only use the Water splitter as needed for maneuvering, launches, and landing.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by Nomentatus on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @10:19PM (#17815753)
South pole - perfect place for constant solar power. Just raise it up a little bit.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by Coincoin on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:11PM (#17812759)
On the other hand, they also believe in homeopathy, so you would only need 1 litre of moon water to produce billions.

edit: excalibur beat me to it.

Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by garmaine on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @08:34PM (#17815151)
Let the wealthy pay tons of money to go work the ice mines in the moon for a few weeks at a time while it has its novelty. Kill 2 birds with one stone.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by strainer on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @07:53PM (#17814940)
I like the idea of sploooshing around in a sublunarrean swimming pool at 1/6th g.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by vanattab on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @10:29PM (#17815802)
That's actually a very interesting idea I have never thought about? How slow would the water fall down and when splashed? Would you have to be careful not to smack the water a whole bunch least you suspend to much mist in the air to make it hard to breath for a while? What would it look like to splash around? I would love to see some cool physically based gpu renderings of what hydro stuff would look like in low g.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by pebers on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @01:51AM (#17816623)
Quite a few of the consequences are discussed here: https://what-if.xkcd.com/124/
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by vanattab on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @01:01PM (#17820127)
Lol...of course there is a xkcd for the topic... I should have known. Thanks for the great link.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by ijidak on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @09:40AM (#17818583)
Great read.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by PakG1 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @10:51PM (#17815885)
See Passengers scene where the gravity system breaks.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by Symmetry on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:14PM (#17813908)
A local source of water would make the hotel much cheaper to run.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by antisthenes on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:50PM (#17813063)
Imagine how much you could charge for return tickets.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by mygo on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @08:25PM (#17815102)
sounds like the plot to the next great american western film
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by Apocryphon on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @04:12PM (#17813311)
I doubt it. It lacks atmosphere.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by test6554 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @06:04PM (#17814247)
I went on a vacation to Bora Bora once and upon seeing restaurant prices of $40 per person I walked two miles to the grocery store, bought a pack of hot dogs for $15 and boiled them in the coffee pot. I am not sure what food would cost on the moon, but I would definitely bring hot dogs.

I am technically considered wealthy (3% or higher). But definitely clip coupons and save money where I can.

Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by throwaway66666 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @04:47PM (#17813648)
Forget about Lunar Water man, that's so 2002.

Let's distill moon stuff and make MOON BEER and MOON VODKA.

Oh yeah, <<Celebrate with a shot of "Yuri G." the world's first and finest Moon Vodka>>

Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by joss82 on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @08:31AM (#17818192)
That would be... a moon shot.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by _mrmnmly on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @01:25AM (#17816510)
I see the slogans now: "same great Vyatutas, but from space!"
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by samstave on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @07:46PM (#17814911)
It comes with a bent swizzle spoon just to confuse people.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by BWStearns on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @06:09PM (#17814278)
> "the worlds' first and finest Moon Vodka"

ftfy

Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by onemoresoop on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @04:25PM (#17813439)
Even sand from the moon would sell for a lot of buck, no need to transport that little water from the moon to Earth where it's abundant, but im sure people would buy end drink that for ridiculous amounts of money.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by hyperpallium on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @06:38PM (#17814480)
Your own Personal Moon Sand is incredibly precious... and incredibly attractive to thieves. Let us store it for you. And what safer place to store it than the Moon? And why go there when it would only facilitate theft of your own Personal Moon Sand? Taking orders now.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by onemoresoop on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @06:57PM (#17814609)
And also own an acre of land on the moon. Sale is on a first come first serve basis. Only $24.99 per acre *other fees may apply
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by jrmg on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @06:52PM (#17814580)
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by kurthr on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @06:56PM (#17814601)
I'd like to take a loan of that precious Moon Sand, fully backed by your holdings... since most people won't ask for repayment at once, can I have 6 Moons worth?
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by Nomentatus on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @10:21PM (#17815759)
Wrong journey, nobody's contemplated that. The idea is taking water from the Moon to space, rather than earth water to space at vastly greater fuel cost.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by test6554 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @06:00PM (#17814220)
Fiji Water already exists.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by F_r_k on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @02:48AM (#17816834)
If it funds space exploration and development, why not ?
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by siruncledrew on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @01:14AM (#17816476)
Nestle is going to try to buy Moon land now.
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by coolaliasbro on Thursday August 23, 2018 @08:02AM (#17826474)
"...sold to the residents of Flint at ludicrous prices." FTFY
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by h4b4n3r0 on Wednesday August 22, 2018 @04:41AM (#17817275)
Another cool thing one could build on the moon is a rail cannon to bombard Earth. Moon's gravity well makes it relatively easy to hurl stuff from there to here, and the stuff _accelerates_ as it approaches Earth, assisted by earth gravity. The scenario is explored in detail in Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress".
Re:Ice confirmed at the Moon’s poles by baxtr on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:11PM (#17813880)
Just got off the phone with Elon, he’s on it...