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Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it better

hi,

I was wondering if any of you have successfully copied* already existing product and created its better version and, as a result, ended up with a successful startup.

* I am talking about the situation when you are using some tool and thinking to yourself: 'well, it's working, but there are at least 10 things that can be improved, maybe I will create the better version of it?'

( 17 comments | 37 points | on HN )
Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by Kagerjay on Saturday August 04, 2018 @09:33AM (#17686786)
There's no such thing as originality in many cases. Everything is based off of something else. Many video games and books have similar plotlines. I had to do research for CRM systems for a nonprofit and there's like over 100 of them. I'm sure they are all different in some way shape or form, but I don't know enough about CRM's to say anything here.

There's a really good writeup of a european company called "Rocket" that does exactly this, it was mentioned in hackernews somewhere before

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/inside-the-clone-factory

I have an app idea I wish to pursue that doesn't yet exist, but its the merger between 2 common pieces of software in the market. Building it would be a huge time saver in things I struggle everyday, I imagine others would feel so as well. I couldn't find anything in any alternatives I've tried and tested.

Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by octosphere on Saturday August 04, 2018 @09:36AM (#17686793)
Don't let the patent trolls read this comment. Whilst I agree that everything is borrowed and inspired from something else, there can still be blatant rip offs. If you're going to steal like this, at least change it a little bit so it's not a direct copy.
Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by Kagerjay on Saturday August 04, 2018 @10:02AM (#17686873)
Everything about this app I want to build is going to be completely unique on the UX/UI interface, I had 15 pages of hand drawn sketches dedicated in just wireframing the UX. I lack some backend knowledge and some frontend technology as well, so its a long work in progress.

I think, whenever we think of elevator pitches, people always say "Its Whatsapp with security(telegram)". Or its "Facebook for professionals (linkedin)". Its "Youtube for media professionals (vimeo)". Or its "Adobe Illustrator merged with Adobe Photoshop (Affinity Designer)". Or "Slack with VoIP and gaming (Discord)". Or "A chrome browser for Developers(Blisk)". Or "Pinterest for media professionals (Dribbble)". Everything derives from something else, but I agree with you everything needs to be unique.

But at the end of the day everything is a CRUD app anyhow

Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by vannevar on Friday August 03, 2018 @11:53PM (#17685297)
You've literally described Steve Jobs' entire career. Finding the key tweaks that turn a good product into a great product is a very effective business strategy, but actually pulling it off is an art.
Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by tothrowaway on Saturday August 04, 2018 @09:46PM (#17689268)
That's my bread-and-butter. I take a good SaaS and strip it down so it's simpler for people to use (and for me to build). Then I sell it for significantly less than my competitor. Simple & cheap is "better" for some people.

The trick is to find a good niche, so you can build a bunch of semi-related SaaS apps and cross market them. I've found developer related SaaS (web browser testing, PDF generation, log analysis, cron notifications, etc) are highly saturated.

To be fair, none of my products qualify as "startups". But building a lifestyle business has a lot of perks (no stress).

Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by segmondy on Sunday August 05, 2018 @09:31AM (#17691229)
Hey, I'm interested in this. Can you please reach out to me via my email later in my profile?
Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by RikNieu on Saturday August 04, 2018 @10:09PM (#17689332)
What kinds kind of general niches do you target,if I may ask? Fitness, health,fintech?
Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by amorphous on Saturday August 04, 2018 @07:08AM (#17686351)
Everything is a remix. The problem is, blindly copying just the features of a product is most likely not going to work. You need to understand the whole business and figure out what to copy and what to improve. In other words: you need to understand the customer.

Something to read:

- "Copycats: How Smart Companies Use Imitation to Gain a Strategic Edge"

- https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2010/08/03/down-with-innovation-u...

Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by fandorin on Monday August 06, 2018 @07:27AM (#17696724)
thanks! I will definitely read this!
Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by insomniacity on Saturday August 04, 2018 @04:43AM (#17685973)
Don't forget that while you work on your copy, their product is probably also advancing - by the time you're finished, you will have more to do - plus your own improvements.
Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by matt_the_bass on Friday August 03, 2018 @09:21PM (#17684871)
Gitlab vs github?
Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by thsowers on Friday August 03, 2018 @11:51PM (#17685290)
Just to piggyback off of this comment, IMO sometimes the original offers significant advantages that the copies can't attain

Example: I want to love Gitlab but no matter the additional offerings they provide, I am totally sold on the UX of Github. Stumble along a new project? Instantly see what language(s) it is written in. Why isn't this a feature of Gitlab when this is so basic? Wonder if it's a copyright issue

Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by Boulth on Saturday August 04, 2018 @07:12AM (#17686360)
As far as I have heard you can't copyright UX (but don't quote me).

I think the issue is something else: GitLab thinks more features is what will give them competitive advantage over Github in the long term, not clean UX.

Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by gitgud on Sunday August 05, 2018 @08:40PM (#17694399)
Well I'm pretty sure you can copyright UX. Didn't someone get sued from copying Apple's swipe to unlock feature?
Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by matt_the_bass on Saturday August 04, 2018 @11:06AM (#17687109)
I wasn’t trying to imply that one is better than the other. Only an example of a new company trying to offer very similar product to an existing company.
Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by templar_muse on Friday August 03, 2018 @04:18AM (#17678100)
Whereas no one would openly admit to copying a product and naming that company publicly - it could be said that many products were birthed from different perceptions of a solution from a given problem space. Which, by virtue of convergent evolution though common customer requirements/user stories and focus groups, along with a standardisation of UX practices, end up with a largely overlapping feature base.
Re:Ask HN: Copying already existing product and making it be... by sbr464 on Saturday August 04, 2018 @03:14AM (#17685776)
I think it happens a lot with forks or seeds of similar projects like you mention,

  Sugar crm > vtiger crm
  m0n0wall > pfsense/freenas
I do think some products rely on copying the entire ui/ux a little too heavily. Although with standardization like you mention as well may become less of an issue