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Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by tschellenbach on Thursday August 02, 2018 @12:39PM (#17672888)
On the other hand. I think Google creates way more value for the world, they are just not as good as Apple at capturing that value.

Android, Maps, Docs, Gmail, Navigation, Analytics are all (mostly) free.

Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by scarface74 on Thursday August 02, 2018 @01:07PM (#17673197)
I like Apple’s simple transaction model - I give them money and they give me stuff. My desires and thier incentives are mostly aligned.

Everything Google does is about advertising and collecting data. Those two things don’t align with my desires.

Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by kamaal on Friday August 03, 2018 @01:50AM (#17677542)
>>Those two things don’t align with my desires.

They align with the needs and wants of billions of people.

Now Apple might be ahead. But its not hard for them to lose all of that. Apple as of now is not useful to the masses in most countries. Google is.

There is a reason why companies like Dell and Microsoft ruled so much in the 90s to the 2005. Once you exhaust Steve Jobs's established product lines, you are just selling expensive cosmetic shining gadgets offering little in extra value compared to Samsung or Dell. At that time is when Google like companies will outshine Apple.

Scary thing for Apple is the new Macbook Pro already shows some of these problems. Steve Jobs is no more, and its already showing.

In fact one big revolutionary product from Google could change everything for Apple. The raw utility of Google search still far exceeds that of iPhone. And that's just one product. Maps, YouTube, Android etc have very large utility to common masses compared to iPhone.

Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by scarface74 on Friday August 03, 2018 @11:53PM (#17685296)
There is a reason why companies like Dell and Microsoft ruled so much in the 90s to the 2005. Once you exhaust Steve Jobs's established product lines, you are just selling expensive cosmetic shining gadgets offering little in extra value compared to Samsung or Dell. At that time is when Google like companies will outshine Apple.

Dell and Microsoft won when the user is not the customer - enterprise sells. Apple brought in the “consumerization of IT”. People have been predicting the death of Apple and the failure of the iPhone for 8 years. They swore Android and especially Samsung was going to take over. Samsung in fact is seeing price pressure and they are struggling - not Apple.

Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by kamaal on Tuesday August 07, 2018 @07:50AM (#17705603)
Android has already taken over in sheer usage and deployment numbers.

In fact, a lot could change over the coming years.

Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by reanimated on Sunday August 05, 2018 @05:33AM (#17690506)
>Steve Jobs is no more, and its already showing. It's interesting how many years people will still repeat that. He's gone for 7 years now. If Tim Cook wasn't fit for the job, it wouldn't have grown from $350 billion the year then Jobs leave Apple to where it is now.

>Macbook Pro already shows some of these problems It really doesn't. Apple has their fuckups time to time, like Pippin, G4 Cube, Ping, Maps or 'you're holding it wrong' iPhone 4.

Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by onion2k on Thursday August 02, 2018 @12:43PM (#17672928)
They're not free. They just don't cost money. Arguably they're very expensive.
Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by reaperducer on Thursday August 02, 2018 @12:48PM (#17672985)
They're not free. They just don't cost money. Arguably they're very expensive.

This is a distinction most people don't grasp. I didn't, myself, until recently when a briefing from the legal department resulted in scouring the word "free" from eight web sites and replacing the word with "at no cost."

Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by kolbe on Thursday August 02, 2018 @01:01PM (#17673138)
It really depends on how susceptible the particular user is to the cost of being a part Google's ad network. If Google's ad network intelligently informs you to make better consumer decisions, then you can argue that you get paid to use Google's services. But unfortunately, too many people derive extreme negative value from being a part of it by being manipulated into making decisions that harm their lives. Even poorer people could easily be paying thousands of dollars in cost to their health (sugary drink and alcohol ads), bank account (financial scam ads), and community destruction (political misinformation ads).
Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by corysama on Thursday August 02, 2018 @12:55PM (#17673073)
DuckDuckGo looking nicer every day.
Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by bduerst on Thursday August 02, 2018 @01:18PM (#17673339)
DDG is essentially just a reskin of Bing.
Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by corysama on Thursday August 02, 2018 @02:10PM (#17673898)
A privacy filter over Bing is fine by me. Lately I've been switching to incongnito every time I search for any product, video or anything to do with news or politics. It's getting ridiculous. I should just switch to DDG permanently.
Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by earenndil on Thursday August 02, 2018 @02:54PM (#17674353)
Use startpage, then. It's a reskin over google, which seems to provide better results.
Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by harias on Thursday August 02, 2018 @11:03PM (#17677022)
Yes. Google seems to think that a single video totally changes what you prefer, especially if it is some popular topic like politics or music. OTOH it'll take a lot of ted lectures and programming videos to make your feed more oriented to words those. Is it me, or does anybody else notice this?
Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by bad_user on Thursday August 02, 2018 @01:39PM (#17673560)
DDG claims to have multiple searches, like local or specialized search engines, but if Bing shuts down they would probably be in trouble.

That said it’s irrelevant. Microsoft is happy to keep the competition alive for Google and I bet they are winning some revenue from their DDG deal, so it’s a win win.

And if DDG gets big enough, and it probably is already, they can develop their own web crawler - because in case you don’t know, it’s the crawling part that’s really expensive.

Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by onion2k on Thursday August 02, 2018 @03:22PM (#17674644)
Apocryphally Bing stands for "but it's not Google", which would be delightfully apt here.
Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by josefresco on Thursday August 02, 2018 @01:32PM (#17673483)
Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by soared on Thursday August 02, 2018 @01:47PM (#17673623)
And literally billions of people don't have the money to spend on products like that but are able to use them because they can pay with their data, which has no cash value to them.
Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by rayiner on Thursday August 02, 2018 @04:38PM (#17675265)
That doesn't really make any sense, right? How can those folks' data be worth very much if they don't have the money to pay a subscription fee for Google?
Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by olalonde on Thursday August 02, 2018 @06:53PM (#17676126)
Rich folks are effectively subsidizing access for the poor. This is an advantage of Google's business model which is often overlooked by richer folks (who can easily afford subscription fees and Apple products).
Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by soared on Thursday August 02, 2018 @06:31PM (#17676018)
Aggregate with affluent people's data and it becomes valuable to advertisers who will never know the difference maybe
Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by allannienhuis on Thursday August 02, 2018 @12:55PM (#17673064)
did you misunderstand the intent of the statement? It's common usage when talking about products.
Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by dfee on Thursday August 02, 2018 @12:45PM (#17672945)
Any financial analyst would tell you their ad revenue, or even their market position would be at serious risk without each of the products you mentioned. Building and maintaining product suite is the cost on the ad revenue.
Re:Apple becomes the first $1T company by mikestew on Thursday August 02, 2018 @01:30PM (#17673466)
Google's products are not free as in you don't give them something. I don't like Google's price, so I give actual 'merican dollars to Apple.