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Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by yosito on Thursday July 19, 2018 @09:55PM (#17571882)
Anecdotally, I always loved having a car and the sense of independence and freedom that came with it. Then at the age of 25, I moved out of the country to a small, walkable town in Latin America where I either walked, drove my scooter, or took motorcycle taxis everywhere. After two years of living there, I moved back to the US, bought a Jeep, and was super excited to have the autonomy and ability to travel between cities easily in a day. I didn't have a commute at the time, so I never really had to drive in traffic. A year later, I ditched my car again and spent a whole year traveling around the world. I got around by walking and taking trains and taxis. By the time I got back to the US, I hated driving. It felt so isolating and boring. Then I got a job where I had to commute for an hour and a half a day in heavy traffic. It was one of the most miserable periods of my life. I started resenting having to drive anywhere. I started resenting places that weren't walkable. I started resenting how roads designed for cars break up and eliminate public space. Finally, two months ago I sold my car and committed to a car-free lifestyle, probably for life. It's completely changed how I do things; I spend more time out of the house, I spend more time socializing, and of course, I walk more. I went from walking less than a mile a day to walking an average of five miles a day. I'm much happier with this lifestyle, and I hope I'm never forced to go back.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by roymurdock on Thursday July 19, 2018 @10:26PM (#17571987)
What happens if/when you have kids. I’ve seen many people biking around Amsterdam with their kids in protective bike high seats. But this is unheard of in many US cities. Minivans are the usual solution. Would you teach them to take public transport or try to live within walking distance of everything?

Obvs doesn’t apply if u don’t plan on it, but curious if anyone has found a solution in US cities.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by ef4 on Friday July 20, 2018 @12:31AM (#17572467)
It's precisely because I have kids that I prioritize a walkable place. Because kids can't drive!

So in car-dependent places, they have no autonomy until they're nearly adults. I think it's much more healthy for them to slowly and steadily expand their autonomy, rather than a sudden discontinuous break when they learn to drive.

The same argument applies in reverse to old people too. In places with good transit and walkability they can stay independent and active longer, with no sudden loss of freedom when they can no longer safely drive vehicles at high speed.

Walking and transit are both overwhelmingly safer than cars (most things are).

When kids are small you just push them in a stroller. Once they're too big for a stroller, they're big enough to walk everywhere that you can walk. It's really not that complicated. Suburban kids who never walk anywhere may whine about needing to walk two miles, but my kids have been doing that since before they could walk unassisted, it's perfectly normal to them.

I do also have a Dutch-style cargo bike which we use a lot around our neighborhood. It's wonderful.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by dionidium on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:22AM (#17572687)
> It's precisely because I have kids that I prioritize a walkable place. Because kids can't drive!

This point is tragically under-appreciated. Kids who live in car-dependent suburbs are in a very real sense alienated from the larger society. A twelve-year-old should be able to visit the library, stop by the park, grab a sandwich at a lunch counter, mail a letter, and wander back home all by themselves in an afternoon.

It's no wonder so many kids feel isolated and alone. They are!

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by skrause on Friday July 20, 2018 @05:20AM (#17573567)
Don't children have bicycles anymore?
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by volkl48 on Friday July 20, 2018 @11:58AM (#17576092)
That only works if things are within a reasonable enough distance to bike to and if the roads are setup in a way that someone can safely bike at all.

If you're talking an older grid-style suburb with corner stores and the like, it's probably something kids can do.

On the other hand, in many of the exurbs/modern suburbs, there's large distances between things and very strict segregation of residential/commercial areas. Car-centric layouts don't help either, with routes between

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Even older suburban areas can have their own problems.

For a personal anecdote, I grew up in a part of NJ that has been settled since 1700s and is rather hilly. (Watchung Mountains). Most of the main roads date from that time and resemble English country lanes in terms of width/geometry more than they resemble typical American roads. Speed limits are 35-45mph, traffic does at least 5 over.

It is absurdly dangerous to walk or bike on any of those roads, and there aren't really any practical solutions to that. They studied adding sidewalks and it was going to cost huge sums of money and require destroying hundreds upon hundreds of mature trees (the roads are thickly lined with forest, and there isn't even an inch of shoulder).

Cutting the speed limit is impractical because they're main roads that people drive 5-20 miles on, that's a significant time hit.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by yosito on Friday July 20, 2018 @08:40PM (#17580097)
I had a bike when I was a kid. Had to ride over an hour just to visit my nearest friend. It was a pretty dangerous route on roads designed for cars too, so my parents wouldn't let me do it alone until I was 14.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by orbitur on Friday July 20, 2018 @12:14PM (#17576305)
I don't know about your neighborhood, but in ours, there are no sidewalks and a bunch of teens drive as fast as they possibly can.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by djrogers on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:36AM (#17572731)
I grew up in a suburb, and am raising my kids in a suburb, and all of that is completely doable. You don’t need a car to get around a suburb...
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by dionidium on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:45AM (#17572766)
"Suburb" is a pretty generic term. My hometown has older, inner-ring suburbs that are built more or less on a street grid, with local shops, connections to transit, and walkable corridors.

It also has far-flung, residential-only, cul-de-sac communities where literally nothing is within safe walking distance. [0]

We call both "suburbs," but they're very different places.

[0] What would somebody who lives here walk to, for example: https://goo.gl/maps/nX5ttfsYJBq

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by mcny on Friday July 20, 2018 @04:12AM (#17573280)
Thank you. Moreover, it feels like suburbs (I’m calling the town of Overland Park, Kansas a suburb) can’t or don’t clean sidewalks and crosswalks as quickly (if at all) or worse use the sidewalk as a dumping ground for snow from the road. Even on a normal day, a walk to the post office and back home can easily take half an hour, probably closer to an hour if you’re walking. That being said, it feels cramped to live in a city. There are other reasons to not get a pet (allegedly my fear of commitment) but I hesitate getting a proper desktop computer because it will occupy space. It feels illogical and wasteful (and unhealthy?) of brain cycles to worry about space that much. (What if I have to move... )
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by tjr225 on Friday July 20, 2018 @10:35AM (#17575314)
The entire KC metro is offensively anti pedestrian and anti cyclist. It is one of the reasons I decided to leave.

Fun fact- there are more highway miles per capita in KC than any other city in the US: http://www.publicpurpose.com/hwy-tti99ratio.htm

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by dionidium on Friday July 20, 2018 @10:46AM (#17575401)
I don't strongly disagree with your point here, but like all city statistics that aren't normalized for area and density (e.g. by using the MSA/CSA or some equivalent), this one is potentially quite misleading. Kansas City draws its borders around an awful lot of rural land that wouldn't be (indeed, isn't) counted inside the borders of most cities. This is all well within the city limits, for example:

https://goo.gl/maps/Dm76roteRbx

All of which is just to say: political borders are drawn differently in every city, so you can't meaningfully compare cities using political borders.

Does Kansas City (as a region) actually have more highways than most equivalent cities? Maybe. I don't know. That table doesn't tell us that.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by couchand on Thursday July 19, 2018 @10:52PM (#17572093)
I'm a parent to a one-and-a-half year old in New York City, and I grew up in a mid-sized midwestern city. I'm obviously biased, but I think we've got it much better off here.

A block and a half away is one of the best playgrounds in the city, and three blocks the other direction is another fine playground. Both of them are packed with kids at all hours of the day. When we go visit family in the midwest, we make a point to take walks and visit the neighborhood playgrounds. We're almost always the only people there. Of course people have their yards so nobody needs the playground... I think something is lost.

Walk a few blocks in any direction from our house and you'll see tons of wonderful daycares, family-friendly restaurants, and other parents' necessities, most of them locally owned and operated by another member of the community.

We travel all around the city, we take the train. My son passes the time on the ride charming the other passengers and subway surfing. It's much more civilized than strapping him into a car seat and not looking at him for an hour every day.

I'll grant you that New York City is something of an outlier as far as American cities go.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by eysquared on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:03PM (#17572137)
I live in Seattle with a 2 year old and one more on the way. I can't believe I ever considered leaving the city to have kids. I can walk to a coffee shop 3 blocks away without taking 15 minutes to strap my kid in a car seat and the amount of parks we have access to in a short walk in incredible. We take the bus to the zoo and aquarium and my son loves seeing all the people and looking out the window.

Being out and about means I feel a real sense of community and have really gotten to know my neighbors.

When we see our friends from the suburbs its amazing how cooped up they are, how unlikely they are to leave the house, and how unattached they feel from their surroundings. Its too easy for them to play in their basement or yard.

Staying in the city has given me and my family a much higher quality of life.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by dpeck on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:50PM (#17572302)
I’m surprised by this, we visited a friend in Seattle with my son and it felt like the least child friendly city that I’ve ever been to. After seeing people tieing off to shoot up midday in Freeway Park any thought of having my kid play in the park was gone, no need to risk a needle stick.

I will say as far as cities go those effected with homelessness were not as aggressive towards me/us as I’ve experienced in other cities, but they were extremely aggressive towards each other and didn’t make it feel like a very welcoming place for families.

Perhaps the few days my family was there gave me an inaccurate impression. I’ve been there numerous times for business and always enjoyed the city, but those times tended to involve a lot more Lyft rides and eating/drinking at higher price point restaurants than walking around exploring the city and time in the parks. With my family we were mostly in the First Hill, Downtown, Pioneer Square, and a bit in Belltown neighborhoods.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by uiri on Friday July 20, 2018 @12:34AM (#17572487)
Those are basically the city core neighbourhoods. Seattle city limits stretch rather far north into neighbourhoods like Ravenna and Phinney Ridge. I am not sure which neighbourhood the person you are replying to is in, but their story doesn't sound unbelievable outside of Capitol Hill plus the "core" neighborhoods you mentioned.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by dpeck on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:02AM (#17572609)
That makes sense.

I’d guess if we define city living as an affluent neighborhood within city limits that one can live/work/play in without getting in a vehicle there are areas that fit the bill in nearly every city assuming that one has the correct income and profession to slot into it.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by eysquared on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:19AM (#17572676)
Seattle is a city of neighborhoods. Move a few block away and the experience would be completely different.

With that said, you visited what I would consider some of the worst places in the city to spend time with kids.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by ryanhuff on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:34PM (#17572229)
I suspect when your kids become older, your life will become more dictated by your kids activities that you don’t control as much. Sports practices and games, school, etc. These will be unlikely be centered around walking distance from home. And, then, I will welcome you back to the fold of parent indenturedness. :)
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by eysquared on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:14AM (#17572659)
Being forced onto a schedule dictated by your kids is a choice parents make, not a necessity.

I never said I didn't have a car when needed, just that my day to day is much more enriched by not needing one (and being forced to get out of the house).

I will always choose to spend my time exploring the mountains with my kids, but if they choose soccer/baseball/etc then its just medium walk or short bus ride away.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by adrianN on Friday July 20, 2018 @02:18AM (#17572895)
When the kids become older they should be able to take public transport by themselves. I took the bus to school when I was six. In Japan it's common to send little kids shopping by themselves. There are popular shows available on Youtube that show five year olds going on errands for the first time. For example here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5k5XTZy0rA
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by couchand on Friday July 20, 2018 @11:44AM (#17575951)
Well, the elementary school is two blocks away, the middle school is two blocks the other way, and there is a high school about four blocks away (though by high school the neighborhood school isn't as relevant, at least in NYC). There are little league soccer and baseball teams that practice & play games at the small park a block and a half away and the larger park three blocks away. I'm pretty sure that neither of those particular developments require a car.

We do frequently use a car (when leaving the city, for instance), but we don't have any reason to own a car. And more critically, we aren't chained to it in the way that so many friends and family are, by virtue of every necessity lying well beyond walking distance tucked inside a giant parking lot.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by rorykoehler on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:45PM (#17572276)
Why would anything change? I live car free and everything is either walkable or public transportable distance away. Same for the activities you mentioned. When I was a kid and played a lot of sports if there was an out of town meet the team bus would take us.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by briandear on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:58AM (#17572820)
You don’t have kids, that much is clear. And if you do, you certainly don’t have more than one.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by mrep on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:07AM (#17572626)
Where in seattle because I live in south lake union and there are no parks anywhere near me that I could have used as a kid to play ultimate frisbee, basketball, and football like I did as a kid. They are all way too small, overcrowded, and not generally safe in my opinion.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by xyzzyz on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:11AM (#17572644)
You just need to buy a $1M house in Wallingford or Ballard, it's as easy as that.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by mrep on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:41AM (#17572746)
I assume you are being sarcastic because my parents raised me in a $1M massive single family home in midwest suburbia which was also in one of the top 100 public high school in the country.

However, I cannot find a single public basketball court in either neighborhood you mentioned, and I can see maybe one park per neighborhood that can each support 1 open space sports game which means my friends and I would have likely had no opportunity to find an open space to play a sport game when growing up due to how crowded parks are.

Add on the homeless problem here and it should come as no surprise my GF and I are planning on moving back to my midwest hometown once we start trying to have kids.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by xyzzyz on Friday July 20, 2018 @04:46PM (#17578765)
Yes, I was being sarcastic. I don't like the homeless problem here either, but it gets slightly better once you move out of SLU to a residential area with $1M houses. We still get things like car break ins though, my neighbor had one just this Tuesday. I'm also thinking about moving some quieter nicer place, but knowing myself, I probably won't.

There's Gilman Playground in Ballard with baseball park. It also has tennis courts. There's another baseball park at NW 63rd St and 20th Ave NW, and another one at 60th and 26th. There are more baseball parks in Woodland Park, and they also have soccer fields. Ballard High School has a football stadium, though I don't know how easily accessible it is to non-students. There's another baseball park/football/soccer stadium at Local Heights Playfield.

But yeah, if you're into basketball, you're probably out of luck if you're looking for any outside basketball place, it's not really that popular here.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by zjaffee on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:21AM (#17572683)
I grew up in manhattan, and I really just think this is a situation of people wanting something different than what they previously had. The ability to drive instead of being jam packed on highly congested trains was something that I enjoyed when living in other cities, traffic does suck, but at least you're in a temperature controlled place where you can control the radio and what not. Additionally, point to point transportation is nice as well.

Over time, what I've come to appreciate the most is the middle ground, something that is incredibly rare but does exist within pockets of larger cities and that's the ability to easily choose between walking, taking public transit, biking or driving to really any destination. All of the big cities in the pacific northwest (portland, seattle, vancouver) do this well, in addition to areas outside of the city centers in the north east as well as some of the first ring suburbs.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by couchand on Friday July 20, 2018 @11:48AM (#17575993)
I don't think it's as simple as rebelling against your parents -- plenty of my schoolmates are perfectly content to be slaves to their cars, and a good number of my city friends grew up here.

We, at least, do have the option of driving if we need to: we just walk a few blocks to the car share and off we go.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by orbitur on Friday July 20, 2018 @12:17PM (#17576332)
Out of curiosity, what neighborhood/borough do you live in? Is it a middle class area?
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by andreygrehov on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:05AM (#17572620)
And then you live in a tiny apartment that looks and smells like shit, otherwise pay $4000 a month for a decent 1 bedroom. Been there, done that. NYC is so much overrated.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by davidw on Friday July 20, 2018 @12:54AM (#17572576)
Here's how it worked out for me in Italy, with a 3 and a 6 year old: "the right tool for the job".

In our immediate vicinity we had everything we needed, day to day: the kids' schools, a grocery store, cafes, a bakery, pizza shop, and a tram stop. All of this was walkable.

The tram stop was what we'd use to go downtown. There is no parking there, and parking is a hassle, and the tram runs frequently, so it was an easy choice.

Lastly, we also had a car, to go for a hike outside town, or go on a trip or something, but many weeks it would just sit there. Most American couples, even without kids, have two that get used all the time.

We lived in a 6-unit building, without much yard, but would frequently go to the park with the kids. As the quote goes, "kids don't need a big yard to play, they need other kids". Back here in the US, they don't use our yard much, but miss having other kids to play with on a spur of the moment basis.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by vladgiverts on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:32AM (#17572716)
This is part of the reason I moved with my wife and two kids to The Netherlands. My girls were 5 and 8 at the time. Almost everyone here rides bikes here in a city of 350k (Utrecht). We don’t own a car and either ride our bikes or walk everywhere. If we’re going to another city we take the trains.

My older daughter goes to school on here own bike 1 mike away and goes over to friends houses on her own. Decent used bikes here are 50-100eu and bike shops are in every little neighborhood. The city is amazingly quiet despite being notably more dense than San Francisco (where we’re from).

All of us love the freedom of not dealing with cars and everything that implies. We could never move back to a “car culture” city again.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by tjr225 on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:58AM (#17572821)
I love the USA, but I hate the car culture. The two really do seem inextricable.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by goodells on Thursday July 19, 2018 @10:40PM (#17572042)
Anecdotally, I am in Madison, WI and it would be feasible with kids in the right neighborhood here. Lots of bikes have little carriages for small children.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by EpicEng on Thursday July 19, 2018 @10:47PM (#17572071)
I grew up in Rockford IL. Pretty sure you have an issue between September and May.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by ef4 on Friday July 20, 2018 @12:37AM (#17572500)
A road that is plowed and salted enough to safely drive a car is clear enough for me to drive a bike too.

As for cold, the kids can stay under a bubble canopy if it's really bad. I have this bike, though we've never bothered with a canopy, we just dress them warm (in New England): https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=workcycles%20kr8%20...:

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by DougN7 on Thursday July 19, 2018 @10:45PM (#17572064)
I doubt it’s feasible year round.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by zip1234 on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:24PM (#17572196)
They also make bikes with wide tires now that perform admirably in snow. With the right gear, it's not too bad unless you are trying to ride through a foot of snow.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by mkempe on Thursday July 19, 2018 @10:53PM (#17572100)
It is in Boulder, Colorado. The bike paths are generally cleared of snow separately and before the roads.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by analog31 on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:48PM (#17572294)
Madison WI is that way too. I'm a year-round bike commuter here. Studded tires keep me shiny-side-up.

But I'm torn about pushing winter cycling on people. I realize that if it's miserable for somebody, then they're not going to do it. I happen to love cycling and bikes, so the idea of riding during the winter just means more chances to ride under different conditions, and a chance to tinker with one more bike.

In terms of ditching the car altogether, that's a toss up. For most families, to understand their commuting situation, you have to draw the triangle from the two parents jobs to school or day care, possibly different schools if they have more than one kid. For a while, my daily commute was a labyrinth involving dropping people off at different locations before turning the minivan around and heading for work. But today, everybody takes a bus or rides their bikes. Our high school has basically no student parking. Cars are part of our transportation mix, but we try to minimize their use.

At one point it had been so long since I drove to work, that I forgot about a big construction project, and got lost.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by asveikau on Thursday July 19, 2018 @10:37PM (#17572034)
I live in San Francisco and have kids. We walk a lot and my older one is a big fan of muni. I really dislike taking the car out.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by mc32 on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:35PM (#17572232)
With MUNI and BART you always have to make sure you and whoever is with you wash their hands after you get off. They are constantly filthy and you never know who sat in the seat you're in before you, but knowing the kinds of people who hop on, you know the potential for pathogens is considerable.

Of course, hygiene is important any place, but specially the city. Now, on the other hand, maybe it does strengthen your immunity... but it's also not fun getting sick cuz you forgot about washing after MUNI.

Kids are prone to go from dirty surface to face without thinking.

At least in Japan, while vomit in the late evenings is an issue, you know those systems get washed --not so for MUNI.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by asveikau on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:53PM (#17572316)
I do stress hand washing and being careful and observant about what you touch but I do believe you are overstating the risk.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by jacobolus on Friday July 20, 2018 @04:41AM (#17573396)
I have a 2-year-old in San Francisco. We walk or take transit everywhere. (I also don’t use a stroller, so the kid is either walking for himself or riding on my shoulders, or occasionally riding in a wagon to the grocery store 2 blocks away.) My wife bikes to work. We have a car but it is mostly only used for trips to Costco and road trips; we could certainly get by with occasional rentals/taxis, but the car is occasionally convenient.

At some point in the nearish future I will probably put some kind of kid seat on the back of my bike.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by vkareh on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:36PM (#17572240)
I live in the Midwest and have 3 young kids. We do have a minivan, but more and more we refuse to drive when we can almost as easily walk to parks, farmers market, library, museums, etc. Our oldest can easily walk for a few miles, and we have a stroller for the younger ones. After getting our weekly farmers market loot into the stroller, one of the younger ones walks part of the way, and the other one gets worn in a carrier.

We do this year round: snow, rain, or sunshine.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by seanmcdirmid on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:42PM (#17572272)
I drive with my toddler about once a month, to the pediatrician office or something.

We live in downtown Bellevue, so we don’t need to drive to hit the park, mall, or grocery store

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by yosito on Friday July 20, 2018 @08:37PM (#17580084)
Personally don't plan on having kids. And if I did, hopefully won't be raising them in the US.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by themagician on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:21AM (#17572684)
Me right now. But for me I just moved from San Francisco to Southern California. The amount of time I have to spend just moving myself about is insane. People talk about how expensive SF is, but I didn’t have to spend 15 hours a week just moving myself around to work and back, grocery store, misc errands, etc. Between the cost of my time and the car I’m spending $3,000/mo just to be miserable. It sucks. Can’t wait to get rid of this thing.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by sizzle on Friday July 20, 2018 @04:23AM (#17573319)
What part of socal? Inland Empire? San Bernardino?
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by flaque on Friday July 20, 2018 @12:46AM (#17572547)
Cars are only a symbol of freedom when it's an option provided to you. When it's the _only_ option, then it's not really freedom.
Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by stevejb on Friday July 20, 2018 @12:58AM (#17572596)
> committed to a car-free lifestyle, probably for life.

Nothing personal, but I doubt that people are able to commit to any kind of lifestyle' for life. Public transportation can be good, can be miserable, and that perception can change very quickly due to changes in life circumstances.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by kilroy123 on Friday July 20, 2018 @01:02AM (#17572608)
I feel the exact same way. Currently living abroad in Latin American and mostly walk or take Uber

When I go back to the US, I now don't like driving and try to avoid it. Family and friends get frustrated that I never want to drive.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by Salamat on Friday July 20, 2018 @04:45AM (#17573419)
It is the same story in some parts of the world but in Europe it is better where youngesters could take the train for free to all of EU countries, I think, although that was the case in differnt ways. Maybe you should read this nice analysis on it here:"Much has been said about the commodification of the city, a process by which urban space becomes a commodity and is thus systematically exploited for the primary purpose of profitmaking. Residents and tourists alike are reduced to “mere ‘extras’ in the great urban spectacle,” which is geared toward maximizing income." This is not to mention that they continue to be blighted by being car-based cities ill-suited for pedestrian life, and which cause thousands of traffic deaths per year, the highest rate in the world.

The answer, in short, is capital. More specifically, it is the form that capitalist enterprise has manifested as in the Gulf. Ever since the discovery of oil, most of the surplus petrodollars have poured into the so-called secondary circuit of infrastructure and real estate. Aside from oil, the region lacks primary productive circuits. As a result, much of the money the state gathered from selling oil abroad was poured directly into the built environment. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/11/gulf-states-oil-capital-e... EDITED for spelling.

Re:How the Car Keeps Americans Apart by rootsudo on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:29PM (#17572211)
My story, but replace it with South East Asia and Jeep for WRX/Miata.

I'm just in the middle, I went back to SEA.