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Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by crikli on Friday July 13, 2018 @12:32PM (#17524388)
I'm a Scotch/whisky nerd going on 10 years now. Particularly obsessed with anything from Islay. 50+ bottle collection, mostly easy-to-find stuff but there are a few rare expressions in there (Ardbeg 2009 Committee Release Supernova is probably the most unobtainable). I'm a drinker, not a collector, everything has been opened and consumed at least partially.

With that out there, I don't get the buzz over Japanese whisky. I've got several solid, highly reviewed expressions, including the 2013 sherried Yamazaki that Jim Murray put on the map. I've done several blind tasting with friends, some of whom are afficionados and some of whom are not, and that Yamazaki never comes out on top. If I do a sherry-finished flight more often than not the sherried Kilchoman finishes first or second, with the Yamazki usually beating the Glenmorangie Lasanta and not much else. Laphroaig PX either wins or comes second to the Kilchoman.

Japanese whisky is good and they're consistently making the best whisky that's not coming from the island. But (IMO, of course, this is completely non-objective) the best expressions are still coming from Scotland.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by marcandre on Friday July 13, 2018 @01:00PM (#17524645)
For me blind tasting is key. The vast majority of things aren't appreciated in a blind test setting (even professional wine critics don't!), so extremely subject to other notions in particular fame and price. With a group of friends, we sample 2 or 3 wines at the same time, blind. It's very humbling. I highly recommend it for a more accurate evaluation...
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by SlowRobotAhead on Friday July 13, 2018 @01:14PM (#17524795)
I saw a funny article awhile back that did literal blind tasting, and when told they would be tasting red wines, none of the critics and "experts" detected they had also sampled white wines.

edit: I see it's mentioned in other comments here

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by Godel_unicode on Friday July 13, 2018 @09:31PM (#17528248)
That test is pretty misleading, it's similar to the famous French study which used white wine dyed red and counted whether people used "red" words or "white" words. One obvious conclusion consistent with other studies is that people believe what they're told.

I hesitate to call this type of uncontrolled testing junk science, but it definitely doesn't demonstrate what it claims to, imho. Super popular with the "well actually" crowd, however.

Addendum: I have personally, on several occasions, failed to replicate this result in a study where the subjects are not tainted with false knowledge. Blindfolded drinkers who are given a glass of red and told nothing about it usually know it's red.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by yojo on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:25PM (#17525921)
I used to be big on challenging my assumptions with blind tasting. Then I realized I do 99% of my drinking with the label visible.

For better or worse the marketing and tasting notes impact my enjoyment of the spirit. Any results I learn tasting "blind" don't generalize to my day to day experience. As a result I've mostly stopped doing blind tasting.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by petejodo on Friday July 13, 2018 @01:40PM (#17524994)
If you don't mind me asking, how do you do blind tastings? Doesn't someone have to pour the glasses and therefore knows which is which? Also how do you figure out at the end, which was which? I imagine, one person pours, another rearranges, and then the glasses have a labeled underneath
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by alexm920 on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:03PM (#17525747)
You pretty much nailed it. It is easier if you have an impartial helper though; a professor I knew back in school would, after finals, invite his students to a wine tasting at this house. His wife would pour and label the glasses, but never took part, removing the chance for subtle cues at the tastings occurred. After we'd all tasted and jotted down our notes, and shared our thoughts, they'd be revealed.

He (the prof) always took joy in how much variation there was in the wines students deemed "best", given our relatively inexperienced pallets. One's favorite was as likely to be pulled from a $150 bottle as an $8 box.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by Lordarminius on Friday July 13, 2018 @12:35PM (#17524421)
I feel like I just read 'A Quality Introduction To Fine Whiskey In One Minute'.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by briandear on Friday July 13, 2018 @12:57PM (#17524618)
This right here is exactly why I love HN. Getting past the political debates, there are some real gems of awesome on these pages. Thanks HN people!
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by reaperducer on Friday July 13, 2018 @01:38PM (#17524972)
'A Quality Introduction To Fine Expressions In One Minute'

FTFY.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by molf on Friday July 13, 2018 @02:31PM (#17525506)
You really cannot compare a Yamazaki with an Islay whisky. Sherry or otherwise.

Preferring Laphroaig PX over a Yamazaki has nothing to do with the quality of either, but with personal preference. You just cannot compare a heavily peaty/smoky whisky with one that is neither.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by asfarley on Friday July 13, 2018 @09:25PM (#17528221)
In fact, I did comare Yamazaki whisky to Islay whisky using this (http://rsearch.ca/static/compare) web interface I made specifically for cases when people claimed that any two things were "not comparable".

The results for Yamazaki include: smooth mizunara hakushu hibiki

While the results for Islay include: peat smoke barley caol

Actually, you seem to have provided a comparison yourself: one is heavily peaky and smoky, and one is not. Seems like a pretty good comparison to me.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by crikli on Friday July 13, 2018 @06:53PM (#17527563)
There is _no_ objective measure of quality when it comes to whisky so all we have to go on is personal preference. When Murray benighted the 2013 Yamazaki, that was _his_ personal preference against _all_ whiskies reviewed, peaty, smokey, or otherwise.

And you can _absolutely_ compare a peaty/smokey whisky to one that isn't. Why can't you? Peaty/smokey isn't the sharp divisor of preference that is insinuated in yours and other comments. Peat is delivered in very unique ways across distilleries and in my tastings I often have folks strongly dislike Ardbeg Corryvreckan but adore Lagavulin 16 (as an example).

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by jkaptur on Friday July 13, 2018 @11:59PM (#17528736)
You CAN compare it to a Coca Cola, but it’s appropriate to point out that they’re very different.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by hobs on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:17PM (#17525854)
Agreed, for a light Highland single malt it might be easier to compare to white spirit than to an Islay.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by halbritt on Friday July 13, 2018 @12:41PM (#17524462)
I tend to agree. When Yamazaki 12 was around $50, I'd go in for a bottle every now and then. At twice the price now, it's just overpriced relative to comparable Whisky from Scotland. I'd rather have a bottle of Springbank.

Speaking of world whisky, if you can find it, try Kavalan Solist Vinho Barrique. It's one of my favorite single malts in the past couple years.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by tptacek on Friday July 13, 2018 @12:43PM (#17524476)
My whiskey guy tried to sell me on a pricey Kavalan (he had a whole collection of them) and I ended up getting a Compass Box instead. But I'm going on vacation next week and buying a whole bunch of bottles to take with. Do me a favor and sell me on the Kavalan? I'm maybe a little skeptical of Taiwanese whiskey.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by Terribledactyl on Friday July 13, 2018 @01:14PM (#17524800)
I've had two kavalans while traveling in china recently, both were forgettable. Decent enough but very expensive for what they were. Both were bourbon cask so maybe another expression would be better. Compass Box has never let me down, though this is not a luxury whiskey is the only super high end one I've ventured into.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by halbritt on Saturday July 14, 2018 @12:02AM (#17528750)
I don't recall all the ones I've tried. They remind me of a nice Speyside. At least the sherry cask ones, do. The Solist Vinho Barrique is in toasted ex-wine casks and has a complexity that I would compare to Glendronach 15 or Glenfarclas 105.

I liked it that much. I've tried a couple others. The sherry cask one I liked, and the others, not so much. I think they're just young, still.

If you're in or around Taiwan, I think you can get the Solist Vinho Barrique for under $100 US, which is a hell of a deal. In the US, who knows. Definitely taste it first before you go all in on a bottle.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by kasey_junk on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:48PM (#17526101)
They flooded the local (Chicago) distributors recently. That stuff has shown up all over the place. If someone can sell you on it, let me know cause I couldn't get into it either.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by tptacek on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:54PM (#17526143)
That is good to know. Thanks!
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by stock_toaster on Friday July 13, 2018 @02:02PM (#17525217)
Maybe look for McCarthy's (Oregon single malt in the "light" islay style), if you are looking for another interesting single malt made outside of scotland.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by drewpc on Friday July 13, 2018 @01:59PM (#17525178)
I like the Suntory Toki a lot (different flavor than Yamazaki 12 or Suntory Habiki 17). You can find it at a lot of Costco stores (state dependent), BevMo!, etc for around $40 a bottle.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by tptacek on Friday July 13, 2018 @12:42PM (#17524468)
I really don't like Islays (the swamp muck flavor really doesn't do anything for me; my wife loves it though), but the wine-finished Kilchomans are all pretty special. Kilchoman port cask is the one Islay I almost always have on hand.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by matwood on Friday July 13, 2018 @01:00PM (#17524652)
Many (most?) people do not like the Islays/peaty/smokey whiskeys. I love them though, and find the milder whiskeys hard to drink because all I taste is alcohol.

For me, drinking a really smokey whiskey is like sitting next to a camp fire on a cold night. That feeling is probably why I enjoy them.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by crikli on Friday July 13, 2018 @07:00PM (#17527591)
My observation from tastings is that many people do like peated whiskies, but few people like all peated whiskies.

The biggest hits I see in tastings are Talisker 10, Lagavulin 16, and about any Kilchoman. I haven't kept track but I'd say 70% of people find themselves really enjoying one or the other (Tally is pretty lightly peated). Ardbeg 10 and Laphroaig 10 are the most divisive...people love or hate them, and to that point yeah, maybe 40% of tasters love one or other. Bunnahabhain, Bowmore, about 50/50.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by matwood on Friday July 13, 2018 @07:43PM (#17527747)
I was at the Talisker distillery a couple of months ago. Like you said, the Talisker 10 year is a very approachable medium smoke whiskey. I enjoy the laphraig and lagavulin. I brought home a nice assortment of ladaigs I picked up in Tobermory. The 18 year oloroso finish was quite nice.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by crikli on Friday July 13, 2018 @10:24PM (#17528437)
Very jealous. After the Islay "holy trinity" (Ardbeg/Laph/Laga) Talisker is on my must visit list whenever I go to Scotland.

I've never had much Ledaig, I think only the 10 year. I'm going to have to grab a bottle of that 18 year sherry finish, that sounds good.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by tptacek on Friday July 13, 2018 @01:10PM (#17524749)
That's understandable, but it's complicated, right? I can deal with a certain level of phenolic, but I really dislike iodiney seaweedy flavors. But there are other wood flavors that I really like and that might read as "campfirey"; I love resiney and vanilla-ey flavors.

My point is: sure, if you don't like pungent alcohol flavor (another suggestion: dilute with water!). But there are other flavors you can get in your whiskey besides swamp muck. :)

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by taternuts on Friday July 13, 2018 @02:10PM (#17525289)
What's your daily driver/cheaper bottle of choice? You seem to have similar tastes to mine, personally I love Eagle Rare for the price point but would like to find some other good ones.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by tptacek on Friday July 13, 2018 @02:16PM (#17525341)
My daily is Very Old Barton (so: much cheaper). My basic rule is that you can't go wrong with anything that is also sold in a bonded expression (and you can't go wrong with the bonded expressions themselves), and that it comes down to whether you like rye-spice-dry (Four Roses, Old-Granddad, VOB) or wheat-sweet-mellow (Weller, Makers, Fitzgerald).
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by Infernal on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:11PM (#17525805)
Top comment - I’ve been drinking bourbon for years but don’t know much about it, I just try to get a bottle of something I haven’t tried before whenever I run out. Of those six you categorized, I’ve only tried Four Roses and Makers, and I do prefer the Four Roses but didn’t know why - now I will be sure to try Old-Granddad and Very Old Barton to see if your categorization holds!

Also I could google it but it’s more fun to discuss - what is a bonded expression, and why do you consider a non-bonded expression of something available bonded to be better than a non-bonded expression of something that isn’t available bonded?

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by tptacek on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:26PM (#17525926)
Bonded whiskeys are legally certified to be (and kept in custody to ensure they remain):

* The product of one distillery

* The product of one distilling season

* Aged at least 4 years

* Bottled at at least 100 proof

For the most part, as a consumer, you don't care about these particulars. For instance, 50% ABV is on the high side for what's pleasant without dilution.

However, a distilling brand that can produce a bonded bourbon or rye expression is probably not playing games with their non-bonded bourbon or rye; that there is a bonded VOB strongly suggests that all VOB bourbon comes from VOB distilleries (and isn't sourced from MGP or simply relabeled Heaven Hill). So you can pay a little extra for the bonded VOB, or just buy regular old VOB trusting that their ability to produce bonded bourbon means their non-bonded bourbon is just as good (which is a safe bet).

An annoying thing to be careful about: just because someone produces a respected (or bonded) bourbon doesn't mean their rye is trustworthy, and vice versa. Distilling brands do brand extensions into other whiskeys by sourcing from other distilleries and rebranding.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by js2 on Friday July 13, 2018 @08:36PM (#17528014)
You might find this interesting for comparing bourbons:

https://www.gq.com/story/bourbon-whiskey-family-tree

That said, I find from year to year my preferences change, since I doubt it’s the whiskies themselves changing very much.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by kasey_junk on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:56PM (#17526165)
Throw a Wild Turkey in there and if you spend a little bit more a Makers Mark also.

When trying Wild Turkey make sure to take note of which heat version you are drinking.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by Infernal on Saturday July 14, 2018 @09:08PM (#17533282)
I've had the Wild Turkey 101 (aka about the most "regular" one I could find) and I don't recall it making any particular impression - though I don't keep notes either, nothing really stood out about it that I can remember less than a year later.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by js2 on Friday July 13, 2018 @08:40PM (#17528030)
I live in NC where Old Weller Antique has become unobtainable. It’s annoying since it was my favorite wheater. So I make do with Makers. I’ve tried Larceny a few times but it isn’t winning me over (I know it isn’t a bourbon).
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by tptacek on Friday July 13, 2018 @10:29PM (#17528460)
Is there a place in the US where any Buffalo Antique is reliably obtainable? It's been years since I've been able to get my hands on any here in Chicago; I manage to get my hands on a bottle about every 18 months or so.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by js2 on Friday July 13, 2018 @08:33PM (#17528003)
If you like Eagle Rare, give Henry McKenna a taste.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by dleslie on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:09PM (#17525788)
Aye, and the aroma is a source of most of the enjoyment.

I like to pair a peaty Scotch with a heavier cigar from time to time. Lovely.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by pvg on Friday July 13, 2018 @01:02PM (#17524662)
the swamp muck flavor

The correct technical tasting note for that is "old crofter's socks".

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by cat199 on Friday July 13, 2018 @01:53PM (#17525112)
> Particularly obsessed with anything from Islay. ... > from the island.

Never actually had japanese whiskey, but definitely have had islay and highland varieties of scotch -

Wondering if preference bias for islay style is the factor here, where the selling point is not 'subtlety' or 'smoothness'..

much in the same way in the beer world that e.g. the smooth/subtle flavor of english bitters are underappreciated stateside because we are hop-crazy for nuclear IPAs..

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by r-s on Friday July 13, 2018 @02:26PM (#17525450)
Jim Murray has always ranked Alberta Premium rye whiskey quite highly. I always found this funny as its one of the cheapest alcohols available in Canada. Mr Lahey of trailer park boys fame even drinks it (although its poorly blurred out). Its often around 50% of the price of something like Jack Daniels here.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by tptacek on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:37PM (#17526010)
Jim Murray aside, as a general rule with a lot of exceptions, when it comes to North American whiskey, the cheap stuff is usually the good stuff. The "premium brands" --- Templeton, WhistlePig, Stranahan's --- tend to be shady (usually: because they've sourced bulk whiskey from MGP and marked it up). Even when they're not shady, a lot of "craft" whiskey in the US is basically charging you for their inefficiency, not for their quality. So for instance while Few Spirits does a solid, authentic rye, it's a long way from the best value in rye whiskey. There is is whole lot of $50-$60 craft bourbon that is outdone by stuff in plastic jugs --- not necessarily because it's bad (though some of it is), but because the plastic jug stuff can be really good.

It's basically the opposite of the beer market.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by lytfyre on Sunday July 15, 2018 @07:33PM (#17537720)
Not that it's a consequential distinction for your argument, but for those liking it and wanting a cheaper alternative, WhistlePig's standard 10 year and 15 year straight rye is not MGP, it's Alberta Premium. Their 12 year old "Old World" is MGP.

Backing up your argument, Alberta Premium sells in Ontario government stores for 18% of what the Whistlepig goes for - in your choice of glass or plastic bottle.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by tyler-redclay on Saturday July 14, 2018 @02:06AM (#17529075)
Completely agree. I love whisky of all kinds. And I was almost as excited to sample some new Japanese whiskies while visiting there as I was to do so in Scotland. But I have yet to taste a Japanese whisky that blows my mind. It's more refined than Irish whisky typically, and can't really compare it fairly to bourbon & rye, apples to oranges, from my view. It's good. But it pales in comparison to the Scottish stuff.

Doesn't stop the hype train though. And I get it, it's lesser known, most of the branding is beautiful. Japan has a cache to it and do details right.

But in my opinion, it's not exceptional whisky like a nice scotch.

Only thing we disagree on is Sherry casked whiskies. I don't like the effect it had on the profiles. I stay away from them.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by solotronics on Friday July 13, 2018 @01:32PM (#17524935)
hey! I have some scotch questions if you don't mind. I really love Lagavulin 8 + 16, Bunnahabhain 12, and Talisker 10. Less relevant I think McAllan 18 is good and Balvenie 21 as well. What should I try that is similar to these?

Every scotch I tried that is less than about ~45-50 USD I really hated, is there anything good that is cheap?

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by tptacek on Friday July 13, 2018 @02:11PM (#17525300)
The three scotches you like are peaty; 2 are Islays and one (the Talisker) is an Island, which is like a toned-down Islay. You like smoke, phenols, and brine. If you want something sort of "in between" the Lagavulin (almost one-note phenolic) and the Macallan (caramel and wine, little wood, no smoke), try a BenRomach, which is a briney and not smokey and right in your price point.

The other Islays you haven't tried include:

* Laphroig, which adds a huge medicinal flavor to the wood and smoke in Lagavulin.

* Bowmore, which tends towards leather and fruit flavors (they do some interesting wine cask expressions). Kilchoman is similar, pricier, but with even better casks.

* Ardbeg, which tends peatier/smokier than Lagavulin but not as iodiney and briney as Laphroaig.

The other two you like, the Macallan and the Balvenie, are very mainstream Speysides. No peat, lots of wine flavor. It's easy to find a lot of whiskeys in the same region and all will be better values than the Macallan (which is one of the world's most popular single malts and priced accordingly) and the Balvenie, which is solid but also grocery store scotch. I recommend GlenDronach 12 or 15 if you want to explore the sherry-bomb character of the Macallan 18 (GlenDronach is probably the scotch most like Macallan that isn't called Macallan), and Glenrothes if you just want to explore the cereal/vanilla/caramel malt characteristics of Speysides. Both are ~$50-$60 priced well.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by pbhjpbhj on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:23PM (#17525896)
There's a whisky from Glenrothes? That's hilarious somehow. When I lived in Fife we called it Glen-grotty, it had some "great" brutalist architecture. Also known in the past for its lino factories (floor covering, the making of which was highly polluting).
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by tptacek on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:29PM (#17525951)
Yeah, it's in Rothes; I drove past it a bunch of times when we stayed in Craigellachie. There's distilleries everywhere you look in that part of the country (like, literally, go up on a hill and look in any direction), and Glenrothes is one of the better known (there are a bunch of distilleries around there that produce only for blended scotch, but Glenrothes is one of the more popular single malts).

Glenrothes is the first scotch I recommend to anyone who loves bourbon and thinks they hate scotch.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by pvg on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:18PM (#17525863)
You are getting a lot of far too convoluted answers. The simple one is the Ardbeg Corryvreckan. It checks the value box easily - at nigh-60% alcohol, you can practically make two bottles of booze out of it by adding water. Taste and smell? On consumption, it removes your ability to taste and smell anything else making it incomparable and thus, the best whisky by default. Free bonus - The Corryvreckan sounds a character from a bad TV adaptation of a bad Neil Gaiman novel.

Also it will get you way drunk.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by davidgould on Friday July 13, 2018 @06:35PM (#17527466)
I like all the Ardbegs, particularly An Oa which is creamy, the 10 year which is refreshing (if any Islay can be called refreshing), and Uigeadail which is more caramel sweet than the others. These are all big peaty whisky.

Corryvreckan ... is more so. Tasting notes: refinery, bed fire, shipwreck. The distiller must have been out for a pint or five with the other distillers on the island ragging him about "too much, over the top" and decided to show them what "over the top" really was. Worth a try and good in its own way, but not for everyday.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by pvg on Friday July 13, 2018 @07:10PM (#17527636)
decided to show them what "over the top" really was.

That is exactly what happened. "Did you say Glugglugvulin? Cory is IN. THE. HOUSE."

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by pbhjpbhj on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:27PM (#17525939)
Corryvreckan, fwiw.

£100/l on Amazon. Blimey.

(https://amzn.to/2uvAaJr, aff.)

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by pvg on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:32PM (#17525979)
Fixed it, thanks. That only improves the character name. It's $70 around here.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by crikli on Friday July 13, 2018 @07:06PM (#17527612)
I wholeheartedly endorse this. For the money Corry is the best bottle coming off the island.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by mattlong on Friday July 13, 2018 @02:08PM (#17525272)
I'm not crikli, but we have similar tastes! Talisker is my go to dram.

Try Bruichladdich Islay Barley. It's heavy on the saltwater characteristic that Talisker and other Islays have but is overall a bit lighter in both color and taste. I don't recall which vintage I had, which supposedly makes a notable difference for this whisky.

Kilchoman is another Islay that I enjoy a lot.

If you want to delve further into the world of peat, checkout Ardbeg and Laphroaig 10. Laphroaig has other nice varieties like Quartercask and PX that aren't as peat-centric. Ardbeg also has a wide variety of offerings to explore.

Of course I would recommend trying before going in for a bottle on all of these since everyone has their own tastes!

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by dreto on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:32PM (#17525977)
Well, first and foremost you should try as much as possible the rest of the Islay distilleries; Bowmore, Laphroig, Caol Ila, Ardbeg, Kilchoman and Bruichladdich. Bruichladdich is a little special since regular Bruichladdich, which is bottled under that name, is mostly 'unpeated', they then have a bottling under the name of Port Charlotte which is peated to the "regular" Islay standard (e.g. 35-50 ppm phenol - a measurement for peaty/smokiness) and last but not least they have the Octomore which is peated to the super heavy levels of 167-300 ppm phenol.

There's also a now defunct distillery from Islay called Port Ellen where it's still possible to get hold of stuff that was in the casks when they went under, maturity here ranges from 22-30+ years and they will start distilling again in the coming years, so there is something to keep an eye out for. I would never recommend people to buy an entire bottle of Port Ellen since the cheapest one in my country is roughly ~$1000 and it's not just THAT good regardless of how much money one have. But if you're ever in a whisky bar which has good enough inventory a dram of Port Ellen won't ruin you.

Staying on Islay, Ardnahoe is a new distillery which started distilling spirits this spring so the first bottle of what can legally be called whisky will probably be available in 3 years. There's also two independent bottlings from anonymous distilleries on Islay called Smokehead and The Ileach.

Leaving Islay and traveling the neighboring Jura which has a distillery with the same name, Jura Superstition is their peated whisky.

Other than whiskys from Islay, Jura and Skye (Talisker) I'm quite fond of Highland Park (any bottling pretty much), Oban 14 and anCnoc Peatheart Batch 1.

You should also try different bottlings from Bunnahabhain, Talisker and Lagavulin. My current favorite whisky is the Lagavulin Islay Jazz Festival, bottled in 2017.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by Infernal on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:16PM (#17525842)
Not OP but we have similar tastes (I’ve had the Lagavulin 16, the Bunnahahain 12 and 18, Talisker Storm, McAllan 12 and 15 - no Balvenie I can recall though).

For under $45, see if you can find Talisker Storm (my shop has it on sale around $32 quite often). The Laphroaig 10 can be had under $40 if you look around. Feels like an oddball but Johnny Walker Green Label would be a good one to try - I believe Talisker is a primary component - it is blended, however it is a blend of all single malts. I’ve had it for $33ish, on sale, should be able to find it under $40 if you keep an eye out.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by teamhappy on Friday July 13, 2018 @02:27PM (#17525453)
Laphroaig, Ardbeg or maybe the distillers editions from Lagavulin and Talisker. Islay is pretty small so you don't really have that many options.

Since you like Macallan (I assume sherry oak?) you might like one of the older Glenfarclas (for the example the 25yo).

I don't know how whiskies are priced in the US but the "cheapest" whisky I like is Tullibardine 228 (burgundy finish). I think I payed 30€ for it. Glenmorangie Quinta Ruban (port finish) is also very affordable.

Aberlour doesn't really fit in here but the 15yo and 18yo are worth checking out if you haven't already.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by tptacek on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:46PM (#17526085)
I got sold a Glenfarclas as a better Macallan and wasn't blown away by it. I think I'd always take a Dronach over it, and pay 40% less to boot.

Aberlour is basically pin compatible with Macallan, and the two whiskies are distilled walking distance away from each other. Aberlour has the one NAS scotch --- A'bunadh --- that I've really liked; it's a bargain sherry bomb that I'd take over Macallan any day.

Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by teamhappy on Friday July 13, 2018 @04:24PM (#17526374)
Glenfarclas and Glendronach are are both great alternatives to Macallan. Glendronach is a bit too sweet for my taste though and since Glenfarclas is much more affordable (at least here in Germany) I always recommend that one first.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by propa on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:20PM (#17525878)
Not a scotch, but if you like those three then give Connemara a try, especially the "original" version.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by matt_the_bass on Friday July 13, 2018 @08:03PM (#17527853)
If you like peety scotches, maybe consider other smoked liquors (ie mezcal). You might be surprised.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by abalone on Friday July 13, 2018 @02:30PM (#17525497)
Hakashu would be the one to try if you’re a scotch nerd. That’s a truly distinctive style... I call it “clean peat”.
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by glandium on Friday July 13, 2018 @05:11PM (#17526730)
It's Hakushu (白州).
Re:Why Japanese Whisky Is So Good and So Hard to Find by abalone on Saturday July 14, 2018 @07:28PM (#17532921)
Thanks Sensei.