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Re:The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be by NicoJuicy on Thursday June 28, 2018 @01:26AM (#17414292)
This issue comes again and again, I'm getting really tired of this "issue". After all this time this is the top comment, while discussing a really good convertible?

He mentions that people don't trust Windows for savely restoring their session, but if i'm not mistaking, it's Ubuntu ( i think) that had such a bug for a VERY long time ( https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2321399 ). I have never heard such problems on Windows...

It's measuring activities and performance yes, it's not stealing your information. Ubuntu did it too and even integrated Amazon in the search field.

You can even see what it sends: https://www.howtogeek.com/348699/how-to-see-what-data-window...

PS. Probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, but please respond with comments and not with (too much) downvotes.

PS 2. I also use Ubuntu a lot, which is why i can compare it too Windows on experience. Can't compare to other distro's, if i didn't use it. Both have their pro's / cons.

Re:The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be by misterhtmlcss on Thursday June 28, 2018 @10:36AM (#17417183)
Nico I ha estado major issues and they were the original reason for switching from Windows. I'd love you feedback on them.

1. Apple doesn't slow down due to not being rebooted. I rarely reboot for this reason; basically only for system updates.

2. Suspend I believe is the service? I just close the lid, open, login and keep working. This last time I used Windows wasn't possible. From crashing applications and the direct loss of data due to that crash to not waking and needing me to reboot the whole system.

3. My entire experience with Windows aside from the need to frequently reboot is that it always slows down from the first day of purchase until the day I lose my mind over the speed of it's activity and go buy a new one... This slow down is the slower more incideous one that progresses over months until nothing not even a reboot nurses enough out of it to make it performant anymore.

These are literally the three issues that cause me to be terrified of switching. When Apple did the 'it just works' commercials I switched, because I didn't want to be so involved in the OS. I wanted to just use it and do my things, which aren't nearly as intensive as some others ex. I just do front end work minus the crazy designer apps that require huge RAM and expensive Graphics Cards.

If these 3 things are no longer issues on Windows then I'd really consider it because they are the only reason I'm with Apple at this time. Since Jobs died they've gotten even worse at servicing their MacOS base that it's crazy to be using their product at this point, since they clearly don't give a shit about us.

Lastly I used to use Linux back in the day, but left it because the lips stick (GUI) doesn't abstract away enough of the day to day tasks and I refuse to be a 'programmer' when I just doing regular stuff like writing emails, productivity tools and looking at photos. I'd totally be game if losing a file on download wasn't still a distinct possibility along with the anxiety of not knowing if an app was installed right or full removed; an issue I have with Windows too btw, but not with MacOS.

Re:The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be by NicoJuicy on Thursday June 28, 2018 @05:55PM (#17420815)
I reboot once a month, never have an issue.

I do research the laptop that I buy though, but can't think of anything else, except my laptops are about 1000€, not 500 :)

Re:The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be by ionised on Thursday June 28, 2018 @11:36AM (#17417753)
> It's measuring activities and performance yes, it's not stealing your information. Ubuntu did it too and even integrated Amazon in the search field.

Not sure why you think that is a justification. People weren't happy about that either.

Re:The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be by lord_ring_111 on Thursday June 28, 2018 @03:35AM (#17414822)
Comparison to ubuntu is silly. Comparison should be with osx.
Re:The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be by NicoJuicy on Thursday June 28, 2018 @09:35AM (#17416698)
Apple also tried ads ( failed) and is a lot more expensive. And as said in the comment, i don't use/care about osX. I do use Ubuntu a lot, that's why i compared it.
Re:The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be by tekknik on Friday June 29, 2018 @08:46AM (#17424164)
Look at those prices again, Apple is not “a lot more expensive” in fact the surface book cost as much or more. at least apples machines are high quality, when was the last time you saw a 10 year old PC laptop running like it was new?
Re:The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be by NicoJuicy on Friday June 29, 2018 @09:04AM (#17424187)
You are targeting the Surface book, while i mentioned ( everywhere) Windows in general and a laptop of 1000 € ( in another comment).

The discussion was also about hibernate or suspending, where some seem to complain about. I have never had issues with it, i mentioned issues about it in Ubuntu.

--> at least apples machines are high quality -> Didn't read: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17413572 + https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15496745 + https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13797042 ? Top dollar for a failing critical component. Yeah, you are so right ;) - you can keep your device :)

I will keep working on my Convertible HP Spectre x360 with docking station for attaching 2 external monitors through the USB-C standard on Windows :) .

Re:The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be by andrei_says_ on Thursday June 28, 2018 @02:20AM (#17414514)
Thank you for the links.
Re:The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be by NicoJuicy on Thursday June 28, 2018 @02:21AM (#17414517)
No problem, thanks for a decent response ;). I'm always cautious when it's a "we vs them" story. In case of Windows it could be vs Apple, Google, Linux... So :)
Re:The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be by hactually on Thursday June 28, 2018 @02:33AM (#17414555)
> Probably going to get downvoted to oblivion, but please respond with comments and not with (too much) downvotes.

Probably due to the fact that you're using whataboutism[1] as a defence rather than tackling the fact that Windows does log user activity and report it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Re:The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be by NicoJuicy on Thursday June 28, 2018 @09:36AM (#17416707)
I mentioned what Windows does and talked about something else i can compare.

My relevant point was : It's measuring activities and performance yes, it's not stealing your information as the user activity is also anonymous.

I don't see you making a relevant comment though.

Re:The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be by ionised on Thursday June 28, 2018 @11:39AM (#17417785)
> My relevant point was : It's measuring activities and performance yes, it's not stealing your information as the user activity is also anonymous.

Firstly, how do you know it is truly anonymous? And is this anonymisation being done on the users machine, or one Microsoft's servers? If the latter, MS has access to unanonymised data.

Secondly, cross-referenced with other 'anonymised' data sets it is quite possible to de-anonymise people. I'm not convinced there is any such thing as a truly anonymous data set anymore, not when it comes to data collected from a users device.

Re:The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be by NicoJuicy on Friday June 29, 2018 @12:05PM (#17425274)
They are pretty specific without hiding the fact what they collect here : https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10-feedback-diag...

A governement can automate it to follow it back to the user, but a corporation can't.

They are the only ones that show it this straight forward, can you find a page like that on one of the other big tech companies? ( Apple, Google, Amazon)

TL;DR; You can follow it back to a specific device, but you can't follow it back to "who is the user". Which seems to be a valid business decision, considering the complex matter they are in ( the biggest variety of devices and users).

You can also check it for yourselve: https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/24/16927056/microsoft-window...

Telemetry can also be disabled

This seems to be the worst, if a part of a document contains your personal data, when you are working on it and it crashes.

Full data includes all Basic and Enhanced data, and also turns on advanced diagnostic features that collect additional data from your device, such as system files or memory snapshots, which may unintentionally include parts of a document you were working on when a problem occurred. This information helps us further troubleshoot and fix problems. If an error report contains personal data, we won't use that information to identify, contact, or target advertising to you. This is the recommended option for the best Windows experience and the most effective troubleshooting.

Re:The Surface Book 2 is everything the MacBook Pro should be by King-Aaron on Thursday June 28, 2018 @03:38AM (#17414836)
Personally I just downvote someone immediately when they mention anything about being downvoted in their post. It's called losing the game.