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Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by commandlinefan on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @09:59AM (#17303076)
I can't tell if it's because I'm just getting older or because I'm surrounded by distractions (both electronic and caused by this open office nightmare trend), but my ability to _concentrate_ seems to go down every year. When I was in my 20's, I could focus on a math problem for hours at a time. Now, I need to take a break and look at something else every 10 minutes. Is the world changing to make it harder to accumulate knowledge and improve intelligence?
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by rgrieselhuber on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:25AM (#17303335)
I think this is something we all fight, we live in a vampiric system in terms of the various ways in which our energy is drained off.

Biggest things that have helped me have been paying attention to endocrinology (avoid things / activities that deplete your testosterone), supplementing things like magnesium, heavy workouts, and good diet / sleep. Avoid screen time as much as possible. Read more books, etc.

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by chillwaves on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:19AM (#17303893)
> (avoid things / activities that deplete your testosterone)

Want to share any tips? It feels like a big problem in my life. Sleep disruption is a bigger issue, not sure the root cause but the outcome is dreadful.

As I understand, heavy workouts, supplement Vit D and magnesium, take creatine, avoid flaxseed, any others?

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by rgrieselhuber on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @01:43PM (#17305357)
Biggest thing I figured out is that it all comes down to energy management. Most of the time when you feel too tired to workout, it’s because you’re not working out. You have to bootstrap your own energy by forcing yourself to work out. Lifting weights or some kind of resistance training that builds muscle and strength has far too many health benefits to list here.

Sleep is critical.

Sunlight is too, also supplement D3 if you’re not getting enough.

Get your levels checked quarterly. (I’m writing for men, I know nothing about women’s health. Not trying to exclude anyone, I just haven’t researched it.)

If you’re in your 20s, T levels below 700 should be a cause for concern. My T is naturally decently high so I choose not to use TRT and focus on all natural things (diet, exercise, sleep, sunlight, etc.)

Watch your macros. Keep carbs lower than fat and protein. Adjust based on your level of activity.

Don’t drink any sodas or fake drinks whatsoever. Coffee and water, tea, natural juices in moderation (watch your sugar). Red wine is good. Dark chocolate if you must. Avoid sugary cocktails and beer.

Supplements: whey (after lifting, watch out for fillers and soy), D3, fish oil, mg, multivitamin, the occasional caffeine pill, turmeric, athletic greens.

Walk 10k steps a day, do some kind of combat sport if you can (boxing, BJJ, etc.)

That’s my basic regimen. There’s a lot I don’t know and you have to find what works for you but this is how I stay happy and high energy.

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by meko on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @07:14PM (#17307843)
Thats sounds insanely time consuming.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by rgrieselhuber on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @07:37PM (#17307962)
Which part?
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by sizzle on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @05:33PM (#17307156)
Avoid PMO: Porn, Masturbation, Orgasm

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Semen retention is life changing, that's all I can say. Imagine feeling 10-15% better everyday (assuming you indulge often and feel depleted).

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Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by buckminster on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @06:02PM (#17307373)
General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: [very nervous] Lord, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen... tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?

General Jack D. Ripper: [somewhat embarassed] Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.

General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.

General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.

General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by sizzle on Thursday June 14, 2018 @12:40AM (#17309336)
Great movie, hilarious scene.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by rgrieselhuber on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:23AM (#17303945)
Sure I’ll write more later.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by rgrieselhuber on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:24AM (#17303950)
Also check out AJ Cortes on Twitter. Tons of great info.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by chillwaves on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:27AM (#17303984)
Thanks, checking now
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by rgrieselhuber on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @02:10PM (#17305611)
Please see my other comment / writeup.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by mrks_ on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:33AM (#17304043)
Why do you avoid flaxseed?
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by chillwaves on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:38PM (#17308836)
I've heard it hurts T levels, here is a quick google result.

> the patient adhered to the daily 30 g. dose of flaxseed 93 days out of a possible 112 days during the observational period.

> A significant decrease in androgen levels was observed, with a 70% decrease in total serum testosterone, an 89% decrease in free serum testosterone, and a 65% decrease in the % free testosterone observed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2752973/

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by corysama on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @02:41PM (#17305889)
I used to buy flaxseed oil as a cheap source of omega 3. Then someone on HN informed me that it has crappy bioavailability. So, I switched to fish oil.

Free business idea: stop trying to make biodiesel and instead harvest omega 3 from algae. Sell it to the whole world at $8/gallon. Make the world a smarter, calmer place in the process.

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by exikyut on Thursday June 14, 2018 @12:18AM (#17309247)
Where does the algae come from?

If it comes from mercury- or other toxin-laden areas, the omega-3 may cross the blood-brain barrier and deposit whatever it's laden with in the brain.

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by corysama on Thursday June 14, 2018 @02:04PM (#17313836)
People are farming algae in isolated environments to eventually make diesel. Seems more direct, higher-margin (lower volume, admittedly) and more ethical to squeeze healthy edible oil out of the algae instead.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by ams6110 on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:45AM (#17304153)
Seed oils in general are not healthy. Prefer nut oil, animal fats, coconut oil.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by srean on Sunday June 17, 2018 @01:53PM (#17333414)
In this context what's the difference between a seed and a nut
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by mythrwy on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:09PM (#17308958)
Nuts and coconuts are seeds though.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by s-shellfish on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:30AM (#17303396)
Why testosterone?

Asking as a female.

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by rarec on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:46AM (#17303559)
Low testosterone has deleterious effects for men [1]. For women, offhand I don't believe having "low" testosterone is as big of a deal, but that may be because the range from high to low is greater for a man than a woman and due to the lack of focus on studying it in particular with women.

[1] https://www.healthline.com/health/side-effects-of-low-testos...

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by mirimir on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:08AM (#17303780)
I was diagnosed with low testosterone about ten years ago. Since using supplements, several issues have resolved: 1) I've stopped losing muscle mass, and exercise builds muscle, instead of causing inflammation and tendonitis; 2) I'm no longer prediabetic; 3) I've lost weight, even with more muscle, and that seems self-reinforcing; 4) I have much less acne, especially cystic acne; 5) my hair is darker, but maybe pattern baldness has worsened; and 6) focus and mood stability have improved, although modafinil may account for that.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by rgrieselhuber on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:13AM (#17303826)
What supplements did you use?
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by mirimir on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:20AM (#17303905)
I prefer transdermal testosterone. I think that daily dosing better emulates the natural rhythm. Also, I don't want to deal with injections and/or physician visits. My favorite is Androgel. Testim and generics suck, because they leave a sticky film. Custom compounded creams are also good, and they generally cost less. I apply to my lower legs, so I can hug women and children without fear of poisoning them.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by owlmirror on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @12:05PM (#17304339)
How does androgel affect your natural production of testosterone? What I mean is, can you safely stop using and your body keeps producing testosterone on your own? Since this is a major issue with enhancing yourself, which effectively stops your natural testosterone production and as far as I understand does so irreversibly or at least for a long time. So my question is, is that only a matter of quantity or does that happen with low quantities such as antihero as well?
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by mirimir on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @12:23PM (#17304541)
I have no clue. I'm expecting to use supplements for the rest of my life.

Also, I'm supplementing to levels normal for young men. And young, I am not. So there's zero chance that I'd have adequate testosterone now, even if I'd never used a supplement, or had some disorder that reduced testosterone production.

I am aware of increased health risks. Especially for testosterone-dependent tumors, such as prostate cancer. So I get screened frequently. Also cardiovascular stuff.

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by ctrl-j on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:43AM (#17303529)
I'm pretty sure low testosterone is pretty solidly linked to concentration[0].

If your hormones are out of balance - it makes sense that your brain isn't going to be working optimally. That being said, I believe it's a hormonal deficiency issue - and not a gender issue. So it's going to be rare for most people to be affected by this.

[0] - https://www.webmd.com/men/features/how-low-testosterone-affe...

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by rgrieselhuber on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:50AM (#17303590)
Right, hormones. I’m a man, so I focus on testosterone. I’m assuming the same would be true for women / estrogen but that’s outside my area of expertise.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by jxub on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:42AM (#17303524)
As it improves brain activity in both sexes, see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4330791/
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by s-shellfish on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:57AM (#17303665)
I've read a lot of this literature in the past, but I can't say I agree with it with certainty. The researchers who performed these studies seem to have just as much uncertainty about it, and underlying that sentiment, I think there's quite a bit of subtext in the conclusion that explains why.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4330791/#__sec1...

I'm not looking to pick at the trope argument here. I just really don't know if these kinds of evidence are evidence enough to use such research to support oneself in one's own sense of what it means to take care of oneself. When you lead with a statement that is an absolute, with a citation to a respectable publication, I mean, the conclusion in the publication simply is not an absolute, and there are many reasons given as to why that is the case.

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by brailsafe on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:14AM (#17303840)
I appreciate the fact that you're setting a reasonably high bar for the evidence that you'd base potentially large lifestyle changes on. In a si milar vein, it really gets me when close friends go down farcicle paths of "cleansing" their body, heavy fasting, or others, with barely anything to go on.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by s-shellfish on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:54AM (#17304244)
I often think that on the other side of flippant commentary like "I'm going to cleanse because XYZ", that often goes down to issues that are quite a bit deeper and more complex. The person making the comment may additionally be quite aware of this fact (how you see it, how they see it), but as there may be a deeper issue at play - whether it's biological, social, psychological or whatever - that may not come across, because it may be something the individual has dealt with for a long time, and may simply be exhausted at the sheer lack of a solution. Doctors, procedures, medication, introspection, conversations, research, plus the burden of the actual issue - whatever it may be.

When there's barely anything to go on, I think that can be one of those instances where you can be simply, overloaded with the sheer amount of information available and sheer amount of information you've tried to work with. People exhaust their own minds trying to go through all of that, because there's probably a real issue they are really dealing with and don't know how to fix.

This is a kind of tolerance(?) I've developed by growing up with family of people who either have total careless attitudes about health or a level of hypochondria that death often seems preferable to (but isn't, but can really seem preferable than looking forward to a lifetime of 'find problem/solve problem' for literally everything - missing out on the whole everything else of life, perfectionism yo-yoing with "i do not care about anything"). I'm like my family in many ways as well, probably similar to your friends in person. I just know that what looks 'stupid' isn't always, and likewise, what looks like intelligence, isn't always.

I have my own problems with self care, but I'm often feeling as though I am carefully treading a line that I would rather call a tightrope, than anything so simple as 'balanced'. Try to have a sense of humor about it, and sigh.

I don't know if the problem is just a problem of doubting oneself. I don't know if what I say helps. I know understanding this aspect of it helps me feel less like my family is driving me insane, just having some tolerance for it, acceptance, and trust that they can deal with their own stuff as independent people, and if they need help, they'll ask.

I guess my point is having all of the science can be as good as having none, because that's what science is. Sometimes it doesn't know what it does. Sometimes all the research we've done simply isn't enough. That's not said with the attempt to rationalize 'go do crazy XYZ everything is fine ignore consequences etc all science is stupid'. It's just literally, what looks like having a lot of information can be comparable to having next to none, and what looks like having next to no information can actually be having a lot of information.

It's always puzzling though.

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by brailsafe on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @04:34PM (#17306688)
Thanks for your outstanding reply.

There is a tremendous amount of context that is critical to fully understanding a person’s situation. Most often, there is a lot that doesn’t get revealed. It’s extremely tough being in any condition mentally or physically that, even with our supposedly best tools and research, can’t yet be addressed. the weighty of that could also conceivably fuel a cycle of degrading the condition of the other (physical -> psychological -> physical etc..).

In the particular situations I’m thinking of, these considerations need to be made and the complexities explored. It can be tricky at times, but I try and take the time to understand what the context is that I might be missing. What problem are they really trying to address? What’s led them to seek X treatment? Were there negative experiences in the past that either failed them or complicated their situation? I say it can be tricky, because I never want to see them do harm to themselves or others, but what they’re doing might have potential to do that. Often times it is just a matter of realizing that this person is going through some struggle and trying to find something that works for them. I won’t fault a person for that. Trying new workout routines that I find on YouTube is something I do, but with no particular expectation that I can expect anything definitive from the variety of sources I’m using. Others, such as the hypothetical, but not unrealistic case of a Naturopath who might have sold a bill of goods to a cancer patient, leading them to go off radiation therapy and subsequently die, are a bit different.

Your attempt at finding a balance between the polar opposite and probably unhealthy approaches your relatives have taken is an admirable effort. It’s tricky to break habits you might have been raised with and I can definitely relate. My father has, to minimally variation, eaten peanut butter sandwiches on white bread, along with large fountain drinks and no doctor appointments for the last 20 years or so. If you’re a person who wants to improve your well-being, already you’re off to a good start. That keeps you above the extreme of not caring. If you’re a person who seeks information from multiple sources and can critically examine it, you’re likely to come across confounding evidence quite frequently, which is less likely to get you to the upper extreme of thinking that every problem can be addressed or that there is a definite solution at all. Things are not clear cut in this world.

Everyone has their own self-care problems. The best we can do as individuals is more than nothing but less than everything. Look for good information, and try to do well for yourself.

Lastly, I do get your point and agree that things are puzzling. Puzzles can be fun though.

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by s-shellfish on Thursday June 14, 2018 @02:51PM (#17314319)
> I say it can be tricky, because I never want to see them do harm to themselves or others, but what they’re doing might have potential to do that.

It is tricky, because the person can be aware you are aware of this, as you are trying to help. They may have been aware of it the whole time. And with every attempt to 'fix' the issue, the problem just gets reinvented. I say fix as in 'direct, require, guide with an expectation, approve'.

Because that's what a person with a problem keeps doing. Over and over. And they eventually come to realize the way you see things. They could potentially be still hurting others or themselves. Over and over. But it can't be helped sometimes. You can try to control every detail and there's still that little room for improvement. Eventually it comes down to minutia - obsession with things that really have no relevance to the overall problem. The problem has instead turned into a dynamic of leading and following - one has to be right, the other has to approve of the information given by being 'fixed'.

And that's sometimes enough for a person to just want to constantly go 'fuck it', because it's completely ignorant to all the positives - both from the help you've provided, and the improvement they've made. And if you let them see that you've been helped in the process too, that's validating for them and that's validating to you too.

If you don't understand their problem in entirety, you have no goalpost to define for them. And the problem might be that they just want to accept themselves without the identity of 'having a problem'. But they just might not have figured out the words to say that yet, or they may be afraid of letting go of that identity because what if bad things happen the way they've come to expect? They may have both awareness - that they need to let go of the identity of having a perpetual problem, but also, some of those fears go very deep, and it's not so much that 'having a problem' is an excuse, it's more that, they've had shitty experiences, and the past can't be rewritten. It takes time to heal, accept the past for what it is, and be able to persist through the present while letting go of whatever fears they have.

A lot of people with 'a problem' blame themselves. By trying to fix it for them, it doesn't allow them to see they can fix their own problems.

Thank you for your reply as well!

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by matthewgingell on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @12:45PM (#17304757)
Testosterone is an important hormone for women too. If you're concerned, it makes sense to go talk to an endocrinologist. They can do a broad panel of tests and let you know if anything is out of wack.

Take a look at:

https://www.healthline.com/health/low-testosterone-in-women

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by abandonliberty on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:55AM (#17303646)
Somewhat regular breaking can be adaptive. 25 on / 5 off https://francescocirillo.com/pages/pomodoro-technique.

Meditation also helps. Kabat-Zinn has some decent intro content.

I've personally noticed that seconds move faster now. When I was a child, seconds were slow a minute was an eternity.

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by EGreg on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:12AM (#17303813)
How so? I don’t notice any difference..
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by UnpossibleJim on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @12:28PM (#17304580)
Odd question, but do you read as much literature as when you were young? There seems to be a fairly strong correlation between reading literature/fiction and concentration in studies (and no, I don't have the sources on hand, I heard mention of them on YouTube, of all places.. Boo, I know. Improper citation, but what are you gonna do. Sometimes I listen to lectures when I work). I, personally, had gotten into the habit of reading technical papers all of the time and foregoing literature and fiction on the basis of "well, what good is that doing me?!" and had noticed that my focus had been slipping. Now, this could be anecdotal or I could have just needed the down time but, I started reading some scifi (is that what Hitchhiker's Guide and John Dies is?) again and my concentration seems to have gotten slowly better.... could also just be time away from the screen. Though I do read on a Kindle Paperwhite, so who knows.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by AdamM12 on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @03:01PM (#17306020)
I'm glad I found someone who mentioned this as I was going to. I've spent the first month and a half of my summer reading books (4 down, which is more than I've read in the past decade and a half combined) and I definitely feel as though it has helped me focus more. I've been more disciplined about really "reading aloud" the words in my head as opposed to when I was younger I kinda just skimmed and didn't really take in what I was saying.

Edit: should say outside of assigned readings for school work. Which tend to lean technical and are never fully read from cover to cover.

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by commandlinefan on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @03:37PM (#17306258)
Interesting - you're right, I used to read a lot when I was younger. I'm not sure I read what everybody would necessarily call "literature" - mostly scifi and fantasy novels - but I did read quite a bit more fiction then than I have in the past 20 years or so. Now when I read, it's almost always a programming book of some sort.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by zerostar07 on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @12:36PM (#17304656)
I m not sure if it s an effect of age, but i can barely watch a movie. I believe however its a consequence of technology that ‘just works: we demand (re-)solutions now and are impatient.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by tomjakubowski on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @12:42PM (#17304716)
as another totally useless data point, I read fiction and non-fiction books, magazines, and newspapers, constantly when growing up, but since I was about 15 or 16 I've had serious issues with concentration + attention. The reading tapered off into my 20s along with that. I strongly believe that I am getting dumber as I age.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by MisterTea on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:17AM (#17303261)
Life gets in the way. In my late 30's, full time job, side business, and managing properties makes things very difficult. Hobbies take a big back seat to all of that. I only have a few hours every night to tinker with stuff whereas in my 20's I had a single job and no other worries.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by Steve44 on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:46AM (#17303563)
> I only have a few hours every night to tinker with stuff

Count yourself lucky, I reckon I usually get at most 2 hours if I really force it and most nights hardly anything. We've family, kids, house, own business etc and that just eats away at everything else.

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by bjoli on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:46AM (#17304157)
Unless I stop sleeping I get at most 45 minutes of own-time per day. Apart from the frustration of not getting to have any hobbies, I kind of like it. The whole frustrating experience of kids and hose work is in a way what I really need. My hobbies (computers and programming) have had effects on my life that have been detrimental to my mental health in the long run.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by ams6110 on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:47AM (#17304180)
Most nights I come home, eat, and go to bed. Free time if there is any is only on weekends.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by weberc2 on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:05AM (#17303136)
I think it's the distractions. I'm in my late 20s and when I was in college and didn't have a smart phone, I could hold my focus on a math problem for hours on a time. Now like you, I need to take a break and look at something else every 10 minutes.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by hedora on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:48AM (#17303583)
I’m pretty sure it is open seating, plus (presumably) you have more experience than you did when you were younger, and get more interrupts.

I’ve found that being sick and bedridden actually improves my productivity by a nice multiple (1.5x?). Being home and healthy gives a 3-4x boost.

The perfomance review scene in the Zero Theorem pretty much summarizes my opinion of open seating.

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by mieseratte on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:23AM (#17303941)
> I’m pretty sure it is open seating, plus (presumably) you have more experience than you did when you were younger, and get more interrupts.

Back in the day, I used to be able to sit down in the comfort and isolation of my room and knock out a good 300 page novel in one sitting. Nowadays, I find I can scarcely make it through a chapter without finding myself distracted, wandering, and reaching for an electronic device.

This become one of the major reasons why I got rid of my cellphone. I found it incredibly disturbing.

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by neves on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:05AM (#17303134)
Probably both. My problem isn't that it is more difficult to concentrate as I get older, but that I spend more time to get back to a flow state after I'm interrupted.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by ujal on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:11AM (#17303182)
Perhaps you don't give a f* anymore?
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by debeers on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:19AM (#17303277)
This is incidental, but there are important activities that gotten harded for me in recent years - just as OP described. It's pretty bold to blame just lack of motivation or commitment.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by cautionarytale on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @12:42PM (#17304717)
Even if true, that's more of a description than a solution. Generating new f*s to give is a hard problem.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by randcraw on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:44AM (#17304144)
"The Shallows" by Nicholas Carr discusses this problem and "Deep Work" by Cal Newport proposes a solution.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by Steve44 on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:44AM (#17303540)
Same here, but I'm not sure if some of it is that my job has changed. I was a programmer for about 15 years and could really get into the 'zone' for hours. I'm now doing a very different job where there is no deep creativity, just answering queries really.

Sometimes I need to do deep work and struggle to get into it. I'm quite disciplined at not being distracted but think a large part is I'm just not used to the big thinking any more.

I see the kids claiming they can multitask, they have their phones out, TV running in the background etc whilst supposedly working. Having anything which demands your attention inhibits you getting into the zone and can easily rip you our out it.

(Entirely my thoughts & viewpoint, nothing scientific here)

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by afpx on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:41AM (#17303509)
I’ve found that the effectiveness of my working memory (which is tested via IQ tests) has decreased over time. I’m not sure what has caused it, but I’m concerned that the SSRIs and bipolar meds that I’ve been on for many years have affected my Hypothalamus, but I need to do more research.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by jglauche on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:57AM (#17303666)
If you take anything that blocks certain dopamine receptors (as some bipolar meds do) that might affect it. I've heard claims that SSRI can cause downregulation of the other neurotransmitters over time, but I don't think I've read a study of that.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by jxub on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:37AM (#17303470)
You might be right. I've taken an IQ test at the beginning and at the end of my highschool and my scores dropped from 136 to 132 in four years (Wechsler scale if I recall correctly), which can be attributed both to organized education and increasing reliance on technology. Moreover, as the average 100 IQ has gone down in absolute terms, the change is even more drastic in my case :P

However, and despite me being prone to tell this as a funny anecdote, this might be a case of sample bias or other statistical imprecision.

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by maaark on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:43AM (#17303532)
4 points on a score that high just sounds like noise.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by bjoli on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:52AM (#17304224)
Iirc WAIS (and most IQ tests) will only compare to your age group, so your drop in IQ is not relative to the general population.

Edit,and as the other person says, the reliability more than 2 standard deviations up is somewhat limited, so a person scoring within 4 points is reasonable.

Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by dorfsmay on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @03:07PM (#17306066)
What about when you're stuck away from the internet, say in an airplane without WiFi?
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by jug on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @12:08PM (#17304365)
It’s smartphones and social networks. That Vine was build around six second clips was such a sign of the times. 6 seconds! It wasn’t a huge success but not because of the short clips. Instagram is pretty similar. Ain’t nobody got time for minute long clips!
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by aspencerpsu on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:31AM (#17304024)
It's the trend of the led-emitted-light distraction theory. Computer devices should be restricted for youth until they reach college. It's the only viable hope for humans to gain social cognitive skills at the highest threshold. The microwave frequency at even 6 kHz of RF exposed to children could be detrimental to their nurturing stages leading to trouble and worsening of memory for children.
Re:Researchers find IQ scores dropping since the 1970s by jxub on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @12:42PM (#17304713)
Got any research on that?