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Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by ISL on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @09:18PM (#17184224)
I'd love for synthetic diamond to bring the price down on gemstones. A lot of people are engaged in arduous and risky work to produce natural stones. The environmental costs, too, are real.

Modern high-quality synthetic materials, whether in gemstones or other uses, have so much to offer in fashion innovation. Indeed, diamond jewelers claim that silicon carbide (SiC) has "excess fire" as it has greater dispersion than diamond. SiC has a greater index of refraction, which improves the properties of total-internal-reflection as well! (Edit: It is also birefringent, which does require care when choosing a cut, size, and setting)

Cubic zirconia, too, can be stunning. Order a handful of 10-15mm stones and see for yourself. Or, for a little more money, synthetic rubies and sapphires can transform how you think about nature (they're the same crystal, except for differing defects). The real beauty of many stones is in the cut, not the base material. Diamond absolutely has its place, but it is but one in a spectrum of really cool offerings.

It is the rarity of materials that give them cachet, but the physical properties that make them beautiful. Platinum is a boring metal, visually, difficult to distinguish by eye from steels, aluminum, and titanium. The bloom of the commonest flower is far prettier, but we barely notice because they seem so commonplace and ephemeral.

Every one of these materials was born in the heart of a star or in the heat of an astrophysical cataclysm, each just as natural as the next.

Disclaimer/Caution: I've lost (so far) large fractions of small amounts of money betting long on SiC as a business venture.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by solatic on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @03:01AM (#17185680)
> The real beauty of many stones is in the cut, not the base material.

If you can create the exact same rough/uncut synthetic diamond, and therefore can deterministically reproduce the same cut on each diamond, then the decision of how to cut that diamond becomes intellectual property and is potentially copywritable.

If de Beers really can't hold back the synthetic market, they'll find a way to take it over, and legally-enforced monopolies sure isn't a bad strategy.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by jdietrich on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @05:22AM (#17186268)
Gem-quality synthetic diamonds are cut in essentially the same way as natural diamonds.

The most important commercial cut (the brilliant) was described in Marcel Tolowsky's 1919 book Diamond Design, so would not be copyrightable without some tremendous legal gymnastics. De Beers could dream up some "improvement" to the brilliant cut and trademark it, but there really isn't much room for improvement. The cut that Tolowsky described is very, very close to the mathematical ideal for brilliance and fire. Most of the later optimisations in diamond modelling are in the public domain.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by zentiggr on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @10:50AM (#17188102)
When has deBeers not taken any and every route to maintaining their cartel?

Admittedly their marketing scheme is under a little more pressure with the various articles about their "interesting" past and price fixing schemes, but that's a drop in the bucket compared to their decades of propaganda.

They will find some way, openly or through any back channel they can find or manufacture, to control as much as they can. Plus or minus further monitoring and exposes.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by jimhefferon on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @09:09AM (#17187358)
> tremendous legal gymnastics

I'm with you so far.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by Retric on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @05:16AM (#17186240)
You can't get a copyright on simple geometric shapes, they would need something bizarre looking to not have been created in the past. Further, stones are both tiny and shiny so people can't really tell what they look like.

A more realistic option is use nanoscale etching to get unique colors. Much like those blue butterfly wings that don't use pigment.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by gorbachev on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @08:57AM (#17187286)
They could patent the process of cutting that shape though, if it's sufficiently complicated.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by jerf on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:02AM (#17188213)
But again, that will only hold for some bizarre new shape. Anything using existing techniques and any cuts you can't plausibly claim copyright on will still be fine, and that's going to be almost everything.

If de Beers wants to patent and copyright some bizarre foamy cut of a diamond that does some exotic thing, that's fine, but it's not going to be "a diamond ring" as most people think of them.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by chc on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:19PM (#17188994)
I don't know, lots of things that shouldn't be patentable seem to somehow become patentable when you say the magic words "using a computer." Maybe de Beers' legal team will come up with some gemstone equivalent.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by d0lph on Thursday May 31, 2018 @10:46AM (#17196679)
But, on the other hand just because you can get a patent, doesn't mean it can't be challenged.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by Retric on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @09:51AM (#17187610)
Patents last for 20 years and can be invalidated or worked around. Copyright is ~forever.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by riffic on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:17PM (#17188977)
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by Retric on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:47PM (#17189850)
Even that graph is on the low side for corporate projects. Just include a few teenagers in the process and push the expected lifetime up another 40 years.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by gowld on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:55PM (#17189343)
Beautiful illustration of how "for now" becomes "forever" as "now" moves forward.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by thaumasiotes on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @10:34PM (#17184587)
>> Their goal is probably to try to quickly drive the price of man made diamonds down to the price of Moissanite, and create a artificial distinction between natural and man made dimaonds.

> Indeed, diamond jewelers claim that silicon carbide (SiC) has "excess fire" as it has greater dispersion than diamond. SiC has a greater index of refraction, which improves the properties of total-internal-reflection as well!

As an investor you probably know this, but for the benefit of everyone else, Moissanite is a marketing term for (crystalline) silicon carbide.

Similarly to how sapphire is a special term for crystalline aluminum oxide, but the word "sapphire" has a bit more tradition behind it.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by wlesieutre on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @11:02PM (#17184719)
Mineral name wise, sapphires are a type of corundum. Usually blue, sometimes green, yellow, orange, or others, depending on various metals mixed into it. But if it’s red (via chromium) it’s a ruby instead.

Clear crystalline aluminum oxide you’d generally just call corundum (or aluminum oxide if you’re not feeling fancy), but that doesn’t market as well when you’re making watch faces and camera lenses out of it, so I guess we’re calling that sapphire now too.

TLDR: Gemstone naming seems a bit super arbitrary and marketing driven (not that I’m an expert on the subject)

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by thaumasiotes on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @02:30AM (#17185529)
The names ruby and sapphire are not marketing driven; they are color terms that long predate the development of chemistry to the point where we could determine what gems were.

Many famous historical "rubies" are not corundum but spinel; they were called rubies because "ruby" was the term for any red gemstone.

"Moissanite" is purely marketing, though.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by radisb on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @06:48AM (#17186572)
I can also verify this. I currently have 932 flawless imperial rubies in my stash and they are all red.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by logfromblammo on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @10:12AM (#17187762)
One of the drawbacks of being dragonborn is the hoarding instinct.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by pierredewet on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @10:44AM (#17188037)
Proudspire Manor won’t buy itself
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by wlesieutre on Thursday May 31, 2018 @04:04PM (#17199704)
Looks like a Diablo 3 reference to me. Put one of those in your hat for +37% exp!
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by radisb on Friday June 01, 2018 @08:43AM (#17204746)
:)
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by thaumasiotes on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @03:11PM (#17190720)
Sadly, I do not personally own any historically significant jewelry. But you can read about it pretty easily.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Prince%27s_Ruby

> The Black Prince's Ruby is a large, irregular cabochon red spinel weighing 170 carats (34 g)

> It wasn't until 1783 that spinels were differentiated from rubies.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by blacksmith_tb on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @06:56PM (#17192623)
Well, all non-red corundums are called "sapphire" - with qualifiers for anything that isn't blue (all those yellow and pastel colors, which are all called "fancy sapphires"), and a special exception for pinkish-orange, which are called padparadscha[1].

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapphire#Padparadscha

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by nonamenoslogan on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:57PM (#17189375)
Not all red sapphires are rubies--ruby describes "pigeon blood blue" red color. There are also ceylon sapphires that range from pinkish to fire-engine red through burnt orange in color.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by ISL on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:27AM (#17185066)
Yep, I'm aware. I've always felt that the material should embrace what it is -- a crystalline material allowed by nature but manufactured by experts [1] -- rather than attempt to meet naturally-occurring gemstones on their turf. (Yes, crystalline SiC has been found in nature as moissanite, but it is exceedingly rare.)

For some people, geologists in particular, there is a romance to the formation of a natural diamond due to heat and pressure within the earth. That's great too!

[1] Look at your high-efficiency LED lights to find some SiC in your house. Thanks, Cree and others!

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by nradov on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:02AM (#17184967)
Never mind about jewelry and fashion. Cheap synthetic diamonds would open up a host of industrial applications. Bring on "The Diamond Age".
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by Vektorweg on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:56AM (#17185409)
Industrial synthetic diamond production is around since at least the 80s and from all we know about De Beers, they are certainly not trying to get the price down.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by menzoic on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @03:22AM (#17185755)
> The brand, called Lightbox, will offer synthetic diamonds at a fraction of the price it charges for stones pulled out of the earth.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by tialaramex on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @06:28AM (#17186509)
[ Prices below are arbitrary but illustrate why this is totally irrelevant outside of jewellery ]

De Beers relies on the fact that ordinary people don't understand diamonds aren't very valuable. After all, the diamonds they see sold by De Beers are expensive, so...?

De Beers plucks a $50 diamond from the mines, charges $5000 for it in jewellery and says that's symbollic of True Love, or whatever nonsense people believe.

But the people making diamond cutting saws do not care about True Love, so they are already buying whatever is cheapest, and they won't pay more than $10 for $10 of diamonds. To them that $50 diamond is worth... $50.

De Beers new plan is to make $50 synthetic diamonds, brand them, get across to consumers how these aren't "real" diamonds (hurting synthetic producers), that they're more "I wanna get into your knickers" than "True Love" and charge say $500 for them to emphasise that they're worse than its $5000 mined diamonds.

That makes no difference to the diamond cutting saw people, they still just want diamonds for their purely mechanical properties, and they'll continue to pay $10 for $10 of little diamonds.

De Beers hopes that this drives the synthetic diamond competition out of their market, and allows it to go back to charging $5000 for a $50 diamond in jewellery. The industrial market operates on a rational basis, there's no profit for De Beers there, it's all about the silly people paying $5000 to signal "True Love".

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by dogma1138 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @05:53AM (#17186391)
Considering the $800 per carat price tag for their artificial diamonds they want to charge a hefty fee for them much more than it would cost you today to get them form China or India.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by merpnderp on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:31AM (#17188494)
Where do you get these cheap diamonds from China or India?
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by dogma1138 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:14PM (#17188945)
Both industrial and cut can be found through the usual channels (Tao Ali et al.) even eBay for small orders.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by sandworm101 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:38AM (#17188560)
Since the 80s but only tiny or imperfect stones. The true diamond age is when we can make large structural things with diamonds. Imagine an aircraft wing made from a honeycomb of diamond rather than aluminum.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by skykooler on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:05PM (#17188856)
Diamond is a very poor structural material. It is very hard, but also quite brittle; it breaks easily, is heavy, and is flammable. Additionally, airplane wings specifically need to be flexible to absorb turbulence (like the suspension system on a car), while diamond is very stiff.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by marcosdumay on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:36PM (#17189737)
It's brittle, but very strong. So strong that the brittleness is irrelevant for a huge number of applications, because you simply won't push them far enough. It will usually sustain more load than the same weight of aluminum.

About flammability... Technically it is flammable. If you heat it enough, it will react with oxygen. Steel will melt way before that point, I would be it would burn before that point too.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by sandworm101 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:58PM (#17189389)
Diamond is stuff just like any other type of carbon. Solid diamond wings would be silly. But engineered microstructures of diamond could be very flexible where needed, and stiff where not. Diamond ropes, like bundles of carbon nanotubes, could do all sorts of things.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by ythn on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:51AM (#17188708)
Why make an aircraft wing out of diamond when you could make it out of graphene?
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by the_seraphim on Thursday May 31, 2018 @07:49AM (#17195602)
Why not unobtanium
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by Sean1708 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @04:20AM (#17186005)
> De Beers has produced synthetic diamonds for years through a subsidiary called Element Six, but it has limited their use to industrial applications.

Considering this, I don't think this is going to bring about the Diamond Age unfortunately.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by ISL on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:30AM (#17185078)
When the Diamond Age arrives, it's going to be amazing. For a sneak peek, look up "diamond-like coatings", already in use in physics experiments and industry.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by jagger27 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:20AM (#17188366)
One diamond crystal smartphone screen for me, please.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by dragontamer on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:50PM (#17189285)
The chief problem with smartphone screens these days is not them getting scratched, but with them cracking.

Diamonds, despite being very hard, are also very brittle. They'll likely crack much more easily than Gorilla Glass (another hard material that is hard to scratch).

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by AstralStorm on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:56PM (#17189360)
Did you mean one that shatters on the first hit? Even Gorilla Glass is better than this.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by oblio on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @03:59AM (#17185909)
> Platinum is a boring metal, visually, difficult to distinguish by eye from steels, aluminum, and titanium.

Platinum has very low reactivity so it doesn't rust, corrode, whatever easy, unlike the others. That's why it's considered valuable, because it looks almost the same after a lot of time.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by Borealid on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @04:32AM (#17186051)
Anodized aluminum and titanium don't rust - and if by whatever means you DO allow them to oxidize, the oxygen-bound outer layer forms a protective barrier against further rusting.

Neither of those metals becomes structurally weaker in any meaningful way over time due to oxygen exposure.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by rocqua on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @07:30AM (#17186799)
Both anodizing and oxidation of aluminum look different from polished steel. Notably, oxidized aluminium loses its shine. Moreover, anodization can get scratched after which you get the ugly oxidized aluminium.

All of this is to say that as a "Symbol of lasting love" every-shiny platinum jewelry seems to make some sense.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by Borealid on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @04:14PM (#17191340)
Although in theory you could scratch anodized aluminum, the anodized layer is both harder and more abrasion resistant than the underlying raw aluminum. If you're thinking about scratching chrome-plated steel, let me ephasize that it is much harder to scratch a hard-anodized finish. The only anodized-aluminum object I have ever known to get scratched is the older iPhones (5?). That's probably a combination of people physically dropping them from heights and Apple's choice of a thin, relatively soft anodization process.

A clear anodization finish leads to "bright aluminum" - the natural shine is absolutely preserved. Natural oxidization on the other hand does dull the metal.

Yes, all forms of aluminum look different than steel. Gold and platinum do have the advantage of being homogenously non-oxidizing. But I think anodized aluminum is a great alternative with many advantageous properties for jewelry (low cost, wide variety of beautiful colors, high strength/weight ratio, low density, non-allergenic). I'm not sure why it's used so infrequently - perhaps because of the connection with aluminum cans and thus the image of "cheap"/"disposable"?

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by jagger27 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:17AM (#17188335)
Platinum is significantly heavier than titanium, steel, and aluminum which adds to its perceived value.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by jk2323 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @05:32AM (#17186314)
"Anodized aluminum and titanium don't rust - and if by whatever means you DO allow them to oxidize, the oxygen-bound outer layer forms a protective barrier against further rusting."

So what? But they do melt. And you can't eat Titanium or Aluminum. We would starve to dead soon without Pt/Rh

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by digikata on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:16PM (#17188969)
In jewelry it can often have a bit of Nickel alloyed into it, and some people are allergic to Nickel.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by mrhappyunhappy on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:30AM (#17185079)
Or you know, just not buy gemstones, especially diamonds that cause many of the issues you mention.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by spraak on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @11:46PM (#17184904)
Your post is very poetic, thank you
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by mromanuk on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @08:22AM (#17187083)
new generations, probably, would appreciate the low environmental impact of man made stones
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by sigi45 on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @11:54PM (#17184930)
We as humans just need to be less stupid.

Srsly no one cares if a stone is real or not.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by test6554 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:01AM (#17184960)
Everyone is "trying" to be less stupid. But selling my wife's diamond rings and buying cubic zirconia replicas at this point feels like a very stupid move even though I know I will net a bunch of money up front, I hear divorces are very expensive.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by astura on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @06:02AM (#17186417)
She's better off holding onto them because selling the won't actually net you "a bunch of money upfront," the resale market for diamond rings is incredibly poor.

Personally, I just didn't even bother buying an engagement ring (or wedding ring for that matter) because it's a "tradition" that means literally absolutely nothing to me. My husband doesn't care that I don't want jewelry and he prefers to not wear a wedding ring too. So I guess we are happy being "less stupid."

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by op00to on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:16AM (#17188327)
I used my (deceased) grandmother's engagement and wedding bands. I paid a few hundred bucks to get them repaired and cleaned up (they needed work after ~60 years of wear) and am very happy. They're about 1/4 the size of my wife's friends rocks, but they got a big rock and we got a lot closer to a down payment on a house.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by gowld on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:01PM (#17189403)
> won't actually net you "a bunch of money upfront,"

Even if its a "charitable gift" on the seller's part, it saves one family from the suffering of buying a diamond.

> it's a "tradition" that means literally absolutely nothing to me.

Please preach to all the impressionable young women you know.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by astura on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @03:32PM (#17190963)
Sorry, I don't really "preach" (at least unsolicited) because people don't generally like being preached to and this is a topic that is incredibly emotional for some people for some reason.

The idea someone would worry replacing expensive trinkets with cheaper but similar looking trinkets might damage your marriage is extremely foreign to me! I can say that much at least!

Plus I don't know many impressionable young women these days because I'm approaching 40 and the majority of my friends are already married or no longer impressionable. :)

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by packet_nerd on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @09:35AM (#17187499)
Ha, I thought we were the only ones. My wife and I have never worn our rings as it just seemed stupid and also I found it uncomfortable.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by logfromblammo on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @10:28AM (#17187902)
Our engagement ring was an heirloom. Additional gemstone jewelry has mostly been synthetic corundums, as I find the superior hardness and refractive index of diamond to be flawed by its 4 planes of perfect cleavage. And also, we wanted to poke the DeBeers cartel in its eye, by not giving them any of our money, ever. That was explicitly a concern about diamonds.

The synthesis process for the giant corundum boules used to make lenses and windows and such is pretty cool, too.

> "Synthetic diamonds, which can be produced in about 500 hours, share the same physical, chemical and optical characteristics as natural stones. But they are not nearly as valuable."

This "article" is an advertisement. This bullshit statement seals it. Value is demand driven. The only way for DeBeers to force mined diamonds to sell for more than grown diamonds is with relentless marketing to make people think there is a meaningful difference. And there is. Mined diamonds have historically resulted in a lot of human misery to bring the stones to market, whereas grown diamonds use some electricity and can come from any industrial park.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by cookiecaper on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @02:03PM (#17190002)
Same here, going on 10 years of marriage. We bought very cheap rings (< $100) basically because "Maybe we'll need these some day?" but so far haven't found a reason to wear them consistently.

I understand the value of an heirloom that symbolizes one's progenitor's marriage. Presumably, that is how the ring tradition originated, and why the durability of diamond is a significant selling point for that use case. But I don't think rings are well-suited to this purpose now and would rather leave some other trinket behind, well aware that the true legacy of the progenitors lives on through the posterity.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by tempestn on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:52AM (#17185398)
For our second anniversary I got my wife a Moissanite stone to replace the relatively poor (I1) diamond in her engagement ring. It's larger, much more flawless, more attractive all around, and cheaper. She's happier having a beautiful stone without me wasting a bunch of our money on a diamond. (Wouldn't have bought the diamond in the first place, but it came with the ring, which we both loved.)
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by himom on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @04:08AM (#17185954)
Even though most jewelry and gems are seldom capital-efficient investments, moissanites likely retain more value as a percentage of retail purchase price than do diamonds. The main reason diamonds are expensive is demand, manufactured by shrewd marketing by De Beer’s since 1938. It could’ve been opals or rubies chosen to represent “what every bride should have.”
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by sk5t on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:05AM (#17184984)
If it's any solace, I understand the secondhand market for diamonds to be quite weak.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by kbenson on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:30AM (#17185077)
Purposefully weak, to my understanding, to discourage a secondary market.

I remember an article years ago that went into detail about De Beers' manipulation of the market, and how change from "larger is better" to "clearer is better" happened just as a large mine outside of De Beers control opened that had quite a few large diamonds coming from it on a regular basis. That same article made some assertions about the secondary market being somewhat manipulated, IIRC, but this was close to a decade ago, so sourcing it might be hard, and I'm also unsure how accurate it was at this point. I think it was about how modern incarnation of idea of giving rings for marriage was also largely manipulated by De Beers.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by nsp on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:42AM (#17185115)
I believe “Have you ever tried to sell a diamond” (1982) https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1982/02/have-yo... is what you’re thinking of - it’s a great article and feel ahead of its time in style/composition.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by kbenson on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:48AM (#17185142)
I saw that, and it could be, but I have a (possibly false) memory of some orange-ish toned world map which showed the locations of major diamond exporters and the times they started exporting. Or maybe it was blue-ish? I think I've reached the point in trying to remember this where any additional details I might think I remember are more likely just cross-contamination of memories. :/
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by m-app on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @02:48AM (#17185620)
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by gowld on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:57PM (#17189377)
You can't put the horse back fully in the barn. I applaud you for trying to help some poor sap trapped in demands made by his fiancee's adveristing-brainwashed mind, but as you note, not "everyone" is "trying" to be less stupid -- your wife isn't letting go of her cartel (and possibly blood) diamond.

This issue is squarely in the women feminists' court, and (for the most part) they haven't taken up the cause to stop supporting this evil system that hurts both men and women.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by ridgeguy on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @08:39PM (#17193106)
I agree. You wouldn't net all that much, as diamonds give really poor RoI (unless you're in the >~ 3 ct range). And divorces are expensive. Plus, if you have a daughter and she can use your wife's wedding ring in her ceremony, you'll enjoy a goodwill factor big enough to cause emotional buffer overflow.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by himom on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @04:00AM (#17185915)
Diamonds have little resale value because of high retail markups, on top of previous De Beers monopoly price controls. If someone paid $3000 retail for a ring, good luck getting $700 for it.
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by 6nf on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @06:13AM (#17186455)
If that is true, where can I buy second-hand diamonds for a fraction of the cost?

I've looked and I can't find any.

Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by gowld on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:04PM (#17189430)
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by 6nf on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @05:36PM (#17192074)
Hmm I cant seem to find any listings that include the colour or clarity so I assume those are all pretty low value diamonds anyway?
Re:De Beers admits defeat over man-made diamonds by astura on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @09:51AM (#17187612)
Pawn shop?

I don't know if they actually do this but I imagine if you sell your ring to a jeweler they can send it off for the band to be melted down the stone to be polished and re-set so the resulting ring is resold as "new."