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Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by dbbk on Sunday May 13, 2018 @03:02PM (#17060385)
So is your position that website owners should have no visiblity at all on their visitors, and no way of knowing how many people are using it?
Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by icebraining on Sunday May 13, 2018 @03:25PM (#17060503)
They can know how many people, as long as they don't store personal information. Keeping a counter doesn't require consent.
Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by JeremyBanks on Sunday May 13, 2018 @04:03PM (#17060736)
Keeping a reliable counter of meaningful interactions is hard without personal data to correlate unique users.
Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by datenwolf on Monday May 14, 2018 @08:06AM (#17064720)
> Keeping a reliable counter of meaningful interactions is hard without personal data to correlate unique users.

It's hard if visitor numbers would directly translate into revenue or similar. The trouble you're running in then is discerning organic hits from clickfarming.

If all you care about is when, where what content is popular on your website, there's a pretty simple method: Tally 200 and 304 responses. 200 tells you how many visits you get. 304 tells you, how often people hit refresh, or re-visit your page within the expiration time of the URL that 304s.

Also there's little value in identifying individual visitors. Getting a coarse idea where visitors are located in the world might be nice (for a regional news outlet for example). So just slap some coarse grained. GeoIP on it.

Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by dbasedweeb on Sunday May 13, 2018 @04:10PM (#17060782)
Ok, so it’s hard. Nobody is entitled to that being easy in the way that they are to privacy.
Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by jimktrains2 on Sunday May 13, 2018 @04:34PM (#17060906)
What privacy? Knowing that user dhsidhujdjdowhdyyehheis is using my website is not an infringement on your privacy!

Why do you think you can control what I do with data you send to me? Don't send me data I'd you don't want me to have it.

Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by icebraining on Sunday May 13, 2018 @04:48PM (#17060971)
Why do you think you can control what I do with data you send to me?

Are you really interested in rehashing this conversation? You got plenty of answers last time¹, I doubt you'll get new ones

¹ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16957978

Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by jimktrains2 on Sunday May 13, 2018 @04:49PM (#17060976)
Obviously no one said anything convining. Sure, it's law under the gdpr and I'll comply. That doesn't mean I think it's a reasonable law.
Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by icebraining on Sunday May 13, 2018 @05:01PM (#17061034)
I'm just saying there's no point starting over, you'll just get the same kind of responses. You should preempt them if you're hoping to get anything new. Though I doubt you'll get it anyway.
Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by tzahola on Sunday May 13, 2018 @06:14PM (#17061311)
Why do you think I can’t photograph your face?

Don’t reflect light in my direction if you don’t want me having pictures of you!

Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by tomrod on Sunday May 13, 2018 @05:13PM (#17061075)
> Why do you think you can control what I do with data you send to me?

Legal protections, like the GDPR.

Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by wilsonnb on Monday May 14, 2018 @11:18AM (#17066227)
I agree with this perspective. I haven't seen anyone present a compelling case as to why a person should own all data about themselves.
Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by fapjacks on Sunday May 27, 2018 @05:31PM (#17169208)
You would if you could see what the military does with data about people.
Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by enraged_camel on Sunday May 13, 2018 @03:08PM (#17060425)
Website owners can have visibility on their visitors if those visitors explicitly consent to it.

Not sure what is so difficult to understand about this.

Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by jamiequint on Sunday May 13, 2018 @03:16PM (#17060458)
So if I don't think that Walmart should be able to record me with security cameras while I'm in the store I should have the right to demand that they ask me to sign a waiver before entering the store? Shouldn't it be Walmart's right to do what they want on their property, and my right to decide not to visit Walmart if I don't agree with that. Isn't the converse an infringement of Walmart's rights?
Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by losteric on Sunday May 13, 2018 @04:20PM (#17060842)
GDPR has exemptions for security. Your free to track information for the purposes of blocking vulnerability bots, but only the minimum data required for that purpose... and your visitor's data cannot be used for other applications without their consent.

> Shouldn't it be Walmart's right to do what they want on their property, and my right to decide not to visit Walmart if I don't agree with that. Isn't the converse an infringement of Walmart's rights?

No. Property "rights" are secondary to human rights. Like, Walmart can't knowingly sell poison as food just because it's their property...

In your example, Walmart is free to record you on security cameras for security / theft purposes. However, they can't record what you're looking at and reuse that information for targeted advertising without consent - profling is simply not required to do business, so your right not to be profiled wins.

Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by jamiequint on Sunday May 13, 2018 @09:31PM (#17062050)
> “they can't record what you're looking at and reuse that information for targeted advertising without consent”

What law prevents them from doing this?

Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by losteric on Sunday May 13, 2018 @11:39PM (#17062500)
The actual Walmart? Nothing. The previous poster used Walmart's security cameras as a strawman argument against GDPR, which I expanded on.
Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by guitarbill on Sunday May 13, 2018 @03:53PM (#17060661)
Why are people obsessed with companies rights? Do they not have enough already?

There's an asymmetry between what a company can do politically/legally given it's resources and what an individual can do. This is why countries generally have some kind of laws protecting consumers.

Security cameras recording footage and it not being used in 99.999% of the time when no crime occurs is fine. The tapes aren't kept forever. Just as having server logs to identify malicious actors i.e. hackers or scammers is fine. What's not fine is e.g. running facial recognition on the security camera footage, or figuring out who bought what (cough Amazon Go).

Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by FooBarWidget on Sunday May 13, 2018 @03:49PM (#17060645)
Sometimes, guaranteeing freedom for one party requires taking away freedom/rights from another party. For example freedom from slavery means taking away the right to have slaves. Society has to make a choice: which one is more important? In case of GDPR, the EU has chosen: the privacy of citizen is more important than business concerns.
Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by enraged_camel on Sunday May 13, 2018 @03:49PM (#17060643)
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe the cameras at Walmart are for security only. I don't believe Walmart is using facial-recognition technology to identify visitors, track their behaviors (which aisles they visit, how long they look at specific products, etc.) and then using it to other retailers for them to then target those visitors with ads.
Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by isostatic on Sunday May 13, 2018 @04:17PM (#17060821)
OK, it's the petrol station part of the supermarket, but

"Tesco is set to install hi-tech screens that scan customers' faces in petrol stations so that advertisements can be tailored to suit them, it has been reported.

The retailer will introduce the OptimEyes screen, developed by Lord Sugar's Amscreen, to all 450 of its UK petrol stations, in a five-year deal, according to The Grocer.

The screen, positioned at the till, scans the eyes of customers to determine age and gender, and then runs tailored advertisements."

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/nov/03/privacy-tes...

Re:GDPR will pop the adtech bubble by M2Ys4U on Sunday May 13, 2018 @03:26PM (#17060506)
Consent isn't the only lawful basis for processing personal data.