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Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by araes on Saturday April 14, 2018 @10:53PM (#16840857)
Much of the world still does not have basic physical world needs being met (air, sustenance, clothing/shelter, sleep). Heck, a lot of America still doesn't have those needs met. Many of the jobs, and much of the money can still be made by tackling them. And its relativistic, so you can always make "better" versions too. Sure, automation is reducing them, but clever people can tackle how to build a better house, grow food more economically, ect... and employ people while they're doing it.

Safety / security needs (personal, financial, health). Tons of money and jobs here too. Much of America is floating in this zone and needs these services or better versions. Much of the world barely has them. The current health care system (in America) is atrocious and vastly overpriced, smart folks like Buffet are rightly pushing into that space.

Social needs (family, friendship, intimacy, esteem). Vast amounts of money / jobs, and tons of room for innovation. People need real versions of these, not virtual software things. Ways to actually meet new friends - in the physical world. To find intimacy in natural ways. To feel like they actually have a family instead of being increasingly isolated. (I say this as I type alone on a computer at a coffeeshop...)

I won't even cover actualization and transcendence. I suspect such a small percent of the world could even describe what that it means to fully realize themselves that if you can make a job out of it, you're set.

Short version - hand wringing is silly. What do people actually need? There are future jobs and money.

Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by PeterisP on Sunday April 15, 2018 @02:29AM (#16841529)
Needs don't create jobs, economic demand creates them - and the big difference between a need, necessity or desire versus economic demand is the ability to afford that good or service.

If people can't afford basic physical needs, then that's going to create jobs only if these people somehow get extra resources for that. The current job trends won't do that, they're likely going to make it worse for those people that can't afford basic needs - either it's going to be solved by some major politic-economic intervention redistributing resources (UBI being one of multiple possibilities) or it's not going to happen and those needs will stay unmet.

Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by TheOtherHobbes on Sunday April 15, 2018 @04:53AM (#16841891)
It’s economic cause and effect. The economy is optimised as a wealth capture machine for the proverbial 1%, not as a goods, services, and opportunity machine for the 99% - all while being sold to the 99% as the exact thing it isn’t.

A truly entrepreneurial economy optimised to allow those with limited social and economic capital the opportunity to start and run successful businesses would look very different. It might even make articles like this one unnecessary.

Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by JPKab on Sunday April 15, 2018 @07:31AM (#16842232)
From the article: She hates school. “Elementary school: hated it,” Amber says. “Middle school: h-a-t-e-d it. School just isn’t for me. I hate coming to school. I hate waking up early. I hate homework.”

Amber envisions a comfortable future that includes a family, a modern-yet-rustic house and a good job, maybe as a business owner

Hmmmm. Not sure that much can be done, or should be done, to help lazy unmotivated people with unrealistic expectations.

Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by sokoloff on Sunday April 15, 2018 @08:20AM (#16842351)
A Jack Handy deep thought applies here:

  It's easy to sit there and say you'd like to have more money.
  And I guess that's what I like about it.
  It's easy.
  Just sitting there, rocking back and forth, wanting that money. 
[0] - http://snltranscripts.jt.org/93/93ddeep1.phtml
Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by annabellish on Sunday April 15, 2018 @09:29AM (#16842533)
I'm not sure how you got that impression from this article. We don't learn very much about Amber, but nothing in there seems to suggest that she's unable or unwilling to work as hard as anybody else to achieve her dreams, merely that school doesn't offer any options which are appealing to her. I think it's very disingenuous to suggest that any paths which are not supported in current schools are "lazy and unmotivated".

It's a story so common as to be a trope in media for the school dropout to end up going on to great things once they find an avenue for their enthusiasm, and the article hints that Amber may be finding something like that in her culinary work.

How, then, is this meaningfully different from typically well-recieved stories about teenagers who don't get on with school but are enthusiastic engineers or programmers? The specific path is different, but the story is the same. Why should one be interpreted as "potentially the next Bill Gates" and the other as "lazy unmotivated"?

Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by JPKab on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @08:52AM (#16857782)
Look, your own personal experiences with not liking waking up early aren't unique to you. I hate waking up early too, and also hated homework. But I did them.

I hate merge conflicts and code reviews but I do them.

The ability to delay gratification is a core element of success. Period.

Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by paulddraper on Sunday April 15, 2018 @12:42PM (#16843425)
> I hate waking up early.

I've never seen a school start earlier than 8:15am.

Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by JeremyBanks on Sunday April 15, 2018 @01:18PM (#16843664)
Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by annabellish on Monday April 16, 2018 @04:29AM (#16847508)
8:15am is pretty darn early for an every day start. I know that personally I find starting work even at 9am less than ideal, and so shift those hours forward. You can't do that with school for obvious reasons, but that doesn't mean people who aren't morning people are lazy and unmotivated.
Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by paulddraper on Monday April 16, 2018 @05:54PM (#16853187)
> 8:15am is pretty darn early for an every day start.

???

That's less than 4 hours before noon....

Most americans[1] are awake by 6:30am. If you sleep past 7:30am you are in the last 1 out of 6.

[1] http://www.edisonresearch.com/wake-me-up-series-2/

Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by annabellish on Monday April 16, 2018 @06:32PM (#16853469)
Okay? 8:15am is the start of _a school day_, not the point at which a student wakes up. That's significantly earlier than the average work day, and nobody suggested the average worker woke at 9am.

Are we just assuming students don't have commute times here? That isn't true for a _lot_ of people.

Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by HeyLaughingBoy on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @01:09PM (#16860202)
My 11th grader's high school starts at 7:10AM
Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by maxerickson on Sunday April 15, 2018 @08:27AM (#16842376)
Maybe school shouldn't suck?
Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by paulddraper on Sunday April 15, 2018 @12:50PM (#16843478)
Maybe jobs shouldn't suck too?
Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by distances on Sunday April 15, 2018 @09:38AM (#16842568)
> Hmmmm. Not sure that much can be done, or should be done, to help lazy unmotivated people with unrealistic expectations.

Of course high school students have incomplete and partly unrealistic wishes and expectations. There's so much to learn still -- it really requires some time to fully grasp how society functions.

Furthermore, it's deeply unfair to label someone as lazy if they don't fit the normal school mold. People learn differently, and thrive in different jobs and skills. If you read the article in full, you'll notice she now has an after-school job which she loves. That sounds like a great start to me.

Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by sethrin on Sunday April 15, 2018 @03:36PM (#16844463)
Waking up early is harder for kids, and there's no particularly good evidence in favor of homework. These are perfectly valid complaints.
Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by jakecopp on Saturday April 14, 2018 @11:14PM (#16840944)
These aren't technology problems, they are social and political problems.

> To feel like they actually have a family instead of being increasingly isolated.

There is no app for that, and I don't know if there should be.

Re:Students being prepared for jobs that no longer exist – h... by jakecopp on Saturday April 14, 2018 @11:21PM (#16840976)
Sorry, I think I read your message completely wrong - I take this back.

It sounds like you're arguing that in fixing these social problems more jobs will be created - I originally thought you wanted to "disrupt" these fields using tech.