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Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by cm2012 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:11AM (#16762273)
Okay, real talk. My time, according to society, is worth $300ish per hour. Hers is probably worth $10 an hour. I didn't do anything special to earn this and I'm a very lazy person. I would much rather have people like me pay more taxes and this lady not have to spend her whole day cleaning diapers.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by epicureanideal on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:47AM (#16762439)
Some of us whose time is worth a lot per hour may not want to give it to everyone else, because some of us did have to do special things and work very hard to get it. I see very little daylight each day, get very little exercise, and so on because I'm trying to provide for my family. For my sacrifices in many other areas, my time has become valuable.

If you feel guilty about earning money easily, feel free to give it away. Personally, after already high taxes (40%+ not counting sales tax) I feel that I would like to give what's left to my own family rather than involuntarily donating it to random people.

Are YOU going to send my kids to college? Buy them cars? A house?

It's easy for some who may feel they have enough, or "got theirs" to say that people who "earn a lot" (aka still climbing the ladder) need to give more.

Nobody is preventing you from donating your money to a nonprofit.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by c22 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:59AM (#16762818)
The problem with this point of view is that there are other people who also work in dark places and make many sacrifices for their families in the $10 an hour group and perhaps the only difference between them and you is their parents weren't able to buy them a car and a college and a house. Considering we live in the present and cannot make people work harder in the past, is it better for us to have a "got mine" attitude in either direction?
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by cm2012 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:11PM (#16768022)
That doesn't take into account the hedonic treadmill.

The research is pretty clear - the difference in happiness and stress levels between making 300k and 400k as a family is pretty much nothing on average. The difference in happiness and stress levels between a family making 20k-40k is enormous.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by epicureanideal on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:57PM (#16770345)
Just because someone else would be happier with money currently in my pockets isn't a morally legitimate reason to take my money and give it to them, in my opinion, all else being equal.

I'm all for designing some kind of social contract, but I would like it to consider more than just relative wealth.

Also, in general I think it's a good idea to segment the population by net worth rather than income, not that I would advocate taking from those with high net worth either...

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by cm2012 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:18PM (#16770652)
If money was originally distributed magically - by an amoral higher entity of some sort - would you be in favor of some democratically decided redistribution afterward to make it a little more fair? What if you had to decide the answer to that before you found out how much in lifetime earnings you'd be randomly assigned?

The unfortunate fact of our world is that, statistically, very few people escape their demographic and psychographic destiny. You can predict a 6 year old kids earnings as an adult fairly well from a mix of their birth geography, parents income, an iq test, and the marshmallow test. Some level of redistribution, that still rewards capitalist endeavors, makes sense in a society as unfair as ours.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by epicureanideal on Friday April 06, 2018 @01:34AM (#16771103)
I would argue that my 40% tax rate already qualifies as "some level of redistribution".

Like I said, I'd be happy to discuss some kind of social contract, but I get nervous about people saying "well he makes a lot of money, let's take it from him". That's too simplistic.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by cm2012 on Friday April 06, 2018 @02:46PM (#16776147)
We completely agree there!
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by FuckOffNeemo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:28AM (#16762342)
You and I both.

How many of us would have to chip in another $10-$20 in taxes to cover those without, so a parent and his/her children can take a shit and dispose of it in a way that meats their commitments as appropriate?

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by epicureanideal on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:56AM (#16762481)
As others have said, it's not a question of "having diapers" vs "not having diapers". It's a question of convenience for the parents to not use another cheap alternative -- cloth diapers. Also, we already have many assistance programs and I would like to understand the specifics of a situation that leaves someone without enough money to buy even disposable diapers if they're already on assistance.

Further, where does it end?

"I want a good brand of disposable diapers, not the cheap ones" (Note: a lot of working families are buying those cheap diapers!)

"I want a $1000 stroller with an easy-collapse handle and nice tires so my kids don't get jostled as I take them over bumps in the park"

"I need a subsidy for a minivan because a small car is very inconvenient with kids"

"I need a subsidy for ORGANIC food, not just any food for my babies."

etc.

The standard could easily become more than the average US household income, without even trying hard to grow the list.

Remember, it's not about ability to have any diapers at all, they're arguing that they deserve a higher standard of convenience.

Meanwhile, I need to commute to work an obscene distance because NIMBYs won't allow more housing to be built, keeping me away from my children for many more hours than I would otherwise need to. But please, prioritize taxing me even more to pay for conveniences for people who are home with their kids while I work to feed mine.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by c22 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:13AM (#16762876)
As a middle class white couple we have never had a problem affording diapers mostly because between showers, grandparents, and other middle class friends with babies, most everything else from strollers to clothing for the first two years has been provided to us for free. Perhaps another unrecognized perk of living in certain social circles?
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by Marazan on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:37AM (#16762994)
It's a question of convenience for the parents to not use another cheap alternative -- cloth diapers

Time spent cleaning cloth diapers is time not spent working and earning money.

Being poor is expensive. Being poor means you are on an hourly wage in shift work not a salary. That means half an hour late for work means half an hour less money.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by Nition on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:40AM (#16762735)
> It's a question of convenience for the parents to not use another cheap alternative -- cloth diapers.

I wouldn't mind a subsidy on cloth diapers to be honest. The landfill waste from disposables is insane.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by c22 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:09AM (#16762860)
Or a subsidy on diaper cleaning services. Cloth diapers with a service are price-comparable to disposables currently and otherwise better in several other ways.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by Nition on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:21AM (#16762918)
That'd be great for anyone who doesn't have access to a washing machine as well.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by hycaria on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:47AM (#16763048)
Isn't it hand washable ?
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by Nition on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:02AM (#16763110)
Yes, but time is always a factor. No washing machine makes it harder.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by hycaria on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:48AM (#16763310)
How is time a factor when you don't work ?
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by Nition on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:56AM (#16763342)
I have to assume you've never looked after a baby full time, or your babies have been exceptionally well behaved. It's easily a full-time job, especially if you have another child already.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by adrr on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:11AM (#16762571)
I'd rather my taxes go to fund paid maternity leave, free higher education, and free health care. Those are my priorities not buying someone diapers because they can't be bothered washing cloth diapers.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by briandear on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:11AM (#16762561)
CHARITY. You can already give money to help the less fortunate. I don’t want to go on your taxation guilt trip.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by mrarjen on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:09AM (#16762551)
Sometimes it's not even about paying more taxes, it's mainly about how the money is distributed back into society. People like this lady are in an awkward spot where opportunities and benefits are rather low.

Not saying everything is fixed with tossing more money at it, simply setting priorities and building value for more people without always looking at the short term profits. And in some countries perhaps closing questionable cash flows towards those who clearly are benefiting unnecessarily.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by boobsbr on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:35AM (#16762703)
> I would much rather have people like me pay more taxes

Then pay more taxes if you will, or donate to some charity, just don't force other people to do so.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by dahdum on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:43AM (#16762746)
Taxes are just the minimum required, always free to send the government more if you think that’s the best use of your money.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by Ndymium on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:31AM (#16762968)
Can you do that? In my country they would send extra tax back to you next year.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by hennsen on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:07AM (#16762536)
Just because somebody pays you 300 you are not necessarily worth it. And just because someone else doesn’t have the luck to be able to access such a job she’s not automatically worth only a 1/30 of you.

The question is not what someone pays you but what worth do you really bring to the society that also feeds and supports you.

So while doing your wellpaid job, you probably pay only 5 or 10 an hour to the persons cleaning your toilet so you can do your „human business“ in a conveniently clean place. Don’t you think this person is responsible for a big and relevant part of your life quality?

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by briandear on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:09AM (#16762549)
How about you pay her the $290 per hour excess? Go ahead, send it to her today. You won’t will you?

I make a pretty fair amount of money, but unlike you, I am not a lazy person; I worked my ass off to get where I am and I made sacrifices along the way. I strongly object to paying more taxes just so you can assuage your personal guilt. Contact the reporter for the story, explain you are a guilt-ridden rich person who wants to help that woman out. Then send the woman $290 per hour of your money. Do it for a month. Until you do that, then I’ll invite you not to suggest that we should pay more taxes to support someone because you feel guilty. Taxes aren’t for solving your guilt — charity is. Forcing people to help someone because YOU feel that you don’t work hard enough? That’s ridiculous. Charities were invented for exactly that purpose — people can voluntarily give to their heart’s content.

Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by dang on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:58PM (#16769148)
If you can't stop crossing into personal swipes with your comments, we're going to ban you. We've cut you a ton of slack already, as I explained just a few days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16719584.
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by jm547ster on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:02AM (#16762826)
Oh give it a break you holier than thou fool
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by dang on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:59PM (#16769155)
Personal attacks are not allowed on HN, regardless of how wrong or annoying another comment may be. We ban accounts that do this, so would you please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and not do this again?
Re:Why are diapers so expensive? by jgrowl on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:23AM (#16762927)
He might be an asshole, but he's not entirely wrong. I think conservatives tend to be more heartless, but liberals tend to be more apathetic (very generally speaking). Is it worse to not care at all or to care but not enough to actually do anything to change the situation?

Just imagine if every liberal person freely donated some amount that would be taken by the government in plans they can't get passed? We have the power as a people to organize, fund, etc. Maybe conservatives would see the good that these donations do and be impressed to contribute in kind.

I just think we could all do better as a people collectively in every aspect.