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Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by andy_ppp on Saturday March 24, 2018 @07:24PM (#16669635)
The thing about AI enhanced propaganda is that it will learn exactly what to say to push your buttons and drive you further down a road away from reality towards something people want you to believe.

No one is impervious to this and I’ve seen many articles on both left and right that are completely false. We need to be very careful to do proper research on the likely correctness and fact checking of articles, images and even videos before they are shared, but you can go too far the other way if you try to automate this. Social media should probably warn you with algorithms if you share something likely to be false.

Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by Bjartr on Saturday March 24, 2018 @08:02PM (#16669807)
You know what I've never seen? An article that teaches how to do effective research like you suggest. Maybe that's what people who want a more reasoned and informed discussion should be pushing, the very resources that would help others become reasoned and informed.
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by baq on Sunday March 25, 2018 @03:55AM (#16671234)
isn't this what you're supposed to be taught in high school or even elementary when writing essays?
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by nocobot on Sunday March 25, 2018 @09:04AM (#16672006)
In high school I was told to make up statistics as needed when writing essays. Anecdotal evidence of course but I suspect that many schools do a bad job at this.

But I suspect the bigger problem is that the amount of research needed to hold an informed opinion is growing exponentially in many fields.

Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by perfmode on Sunday March 25, 2018 @11:35AM (#16672619)
> But I suspect the bigger problem is that the amount of research needed to hold an informed opinion is growing exponentially in many fields.

Which is why trust becomes more important than ever.

Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by Bjartr on Monday March 26, 2018 @04:21PM (#16682168)
Sure, but that doesn't mean plenty of adults couldn't use a well designed refresher. After all, studies have shown[1] that many adults struggle with arithmetic of a level also taught in school.

[1] This article summarizes some of the findings of one such study and links to further resources https://qz.com/638845/americans-are-spectacularly-bad-at-ans...

Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by LifeLiverTransp on Sunday March 25, 2018 @06:20AM (#16671558)
News and the like, really needs some sort of habbit to handle them by now. Like i wont read anything that has not been around longer then 2 weeks and has been reposted by several vendors.

It also would help, if there was a App-Agent, checking the facts in a text.

Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by atomi on Sunday March 25, 2018 @06:30AM (#16671581)
It shouldn't really matter so much if we all had a a baseline truth to rely on.

For example:

> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by OrganicMSG on Saturday March 24, 2018 @11:28PM (#16670547)
> The thing about AI enhanced propaganda is that it will learn exactly what to say to push your buttons and drive you further down a road away from reality towards something people want you to believe.

Nonsense, is just the AI enhanced propaganda that is making you think that.

Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by waterhouse on Sunday March 25, 2018 @09:28AM (#16672071)
> [AI enhanced propaganda] will learn exactly what to say to push your buttons ... No one is impervious to this

If this is true, then I wonder if one could repurpose the machinery towards making people resistant to such manipulation. Push people's buttons to make them think there's something wrong with bleu cheese, then follow up (perhaps at the end of the article, perhaps later) with a description of how their buttons were pushed and a listing of everything that was faked. The analogy would be vaccination.

If you get hoaxed once and learn that it was a hoax, that may not have much effect (see Gell-Mann amnesia). If it happens six times in a row, I suspect that will make you significantly less liable to believe things you read without question.

Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by throwaway5752 on Saturday March 24, 2018 @08:41PM (#16669938)
What do you see on the left?
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by takeda on Sunday March 25, 2018 @12:43AM (#16670810)
Similar things, few minutes ago I saw post on reddit essentially saying that while students were protesting gun laws Trump was golfing and Pence posted on Twitter about a movie. This probably is true, but that post is essentially to push people's buttons.
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by blackbagboys on Sunday March 25, 2018 @05:06AM (#16671401)
Appealing to people’s sense of outrage is perfectly justifiable if the outragenousness is rooted in facts.
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by baq on Sunday March 25, 2018 @03:56AM (#16671237)
Articles appealing to emotions instead of reason.
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by blackbagboys on Sunday March 25, 2018 @05:08AM (#16671408)
All effective political organizing appeals at some level to emotions. Appeals to pure reason is the domain of dusty technocrats who are content to fiddle with the knobs on a fundamentally unjust system.
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by vinniejames on Sunday March 25, 2018 @12:36AM (#16670795)
Why is the media acting like this is a new revelation? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/11/senator-ted-...
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by 5_minutes on Saturday March 24, 2018 @06:15PM (#16669328)
I really do think the momentum has become of Facebook’s demise.

Another side effect is that any other tech company (like Twitter) might close down their APIs etc even more.

One basic problem which I don’t understand from Facebook which could’ve prevented most of all this is: why aren’t the default settings of an account more secure and private?

Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by dboreham on Saturday March 24, 2018 @06:27PM (#16669381)
In reality this is probably a buying opportunity. Regular people don't care much whether their minds are being manipulated.
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by madeofpalk on Sunday March 25, 2018 @08:32AM (#16671898)
I don't know... I used to think this, then I talked to 'regular' people (well, as 'regular' as people are that I meet). I know, I know, 'anecdata', but views I tend to get are either split between "Facebook is the worst, can't wait for it to get shut down" vs "It's creepy what all these companies do, but what can I do?".
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by type0 on Sunday March 25, 2018 @08:15PM (#16675483)
> "It's creepy what all these companies do, but what can I do?"

That goes for everything for those with position of power.

"It's creepy what all these policemen do, but what can I do?" "It's creepy what all these politicians do, but what can I do?" etc etc

In case of FaceBook, whey know what to do. So "Regular people don't care much..." is the correct conclusion as as far as I can see.

My anecdata is that I met plenty of people who said "Facebook is the best", then they take a picture of you to upload it there regardless of what anyone thinks (would even tag it by the name). And I can't see how they would change their mind unless it is by public shaming - the same way that smoking has been reduces in many places.

Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by collingreene on Saturday March 24, 2018 @10:27PM (#16670317)
>I don’t understand ... why aren’t the default settings of an account more secure and private?

They are (for the most relevant definition of your question).

Specifically a Facebook app you choose to install can no longer see any of your friends information. That was done in 2014 before any of this happened, more details and timeline here: https://www.facebook.com/boz/posts/10104702799873151

Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by ethbro on Saturday March 24, 2018 @09:47PM (#16670189)
If you ask a liar if they lied... what do you do with the answer you receive?
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by irishcoffee on Saturday March 24, 2018 @11:34PM (#16670565)
Ok I'll bite: show me someone on this planet who isn't a liar. Now what?
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by asveikau on Saturday March 24, 2018 @11:58PM (#16670663)
An optimist I see.

I think there is something of a threshold for "liar", i.e. the implication is that it's habitual, or that the consequences are serious (sometimes, but not always both of those). And there is a huge variation in the trustworthiness or lie-frequency of individuals, that I think would be fairly consistent if you watch the same person over time, then compare them to others. A reasonable person has probably spotted high frequency liars at various points of daily life and made mental notes not to trust them, or the opposite for the opposite traits, and made these determinations correctly.

So I think the point is a little facetious.

Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by Bukhmanizer on Saturday March 24, 2018 @04:37PM (#16668784)
What are the rules on whos private data we're allowed to steal and whos we aren't?
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by forgotmypw on Sunday March 25, 2018 @12:12AM (#16670713)
Is there any way to view the email without going to businessinsider?
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by techaddict009 on Sunday March 25, 2018 @01:08AM (#16670861)
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by forgotmypw on Sunday March 25, 2018 @11:34AM (#16672612)
Thank you very much!
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by venning on Saturday March 24, 2018 @04:31PM (#16668755)
I believe the "(2015)" label is intended for articles from 2015. This article is from 2018, but its contents reference 2015. Perhaps a better title would be "Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook first responded in 2015".
Re:Leaked email shows how Cambridge Analytica and Facebook f... by sctb on Saturday March 24, 2018 @05:17PM (#16668999)
Thanks! We've updated the title.