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Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by josephagoss on Saturday March 03, 2018 @11:02AM (#16509832)
A thing I've noticed about cryptocurrency news. The people that are pro cryptocurrency are often far too optimistic and sometimes are not the most academic people. However I've also noticed that those that constantly critique cryptocurrency are often so wrong about their assumptions it's just pointless reading on. It's so hard to actually get a reasonable discussion about cryptocurrency.
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by osteele on Saturday March 03, 2018 @11:34AM (#16510031)
I’ve noticed this with Tesla, too.

I imagine that if people could take short or long positions* in programming languages and technologies, it would be difficult to find the current quality of reviews and discussion around those topics.

I’ve been a fan of futarchy and prediction markets, but this phenomenon gives me pause.

* I’m aware that investing time, effort or credibility in a technology is taking a long position in it, but direct financial positions seem to incentivize a different class of behavior (EDIT: probably because they require an investment only of money, rather than of these other resources that produce commitment or knowledge).

Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by drcode on Saturday March 03, 2018 @11:49AM (#16510116)
That's how you can tell that cryptocurrency really is a from of money... only money could lead to this many strawman arguments and online mudslinging :-)
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by mancerayder on Saturday March 03, 2018 @01:41PM (#16510781)
A thing I've noticed about cryptocurrency news. The people that are pro cryptocurrency are often far too optimistic and sometimes are not the most academic people. However I've also noticed that those that constantly critique cryptocurrency are often so wrong about their assumptions it's just pointless reading on. It's so hard to actually get a reasonable discussion about cryptocurrency.

It might be because of the intersection of different disciplines. For example, a math genius won't necessarily understand law, politics and/or economic policy.

The others probably won't understand math.

A marketing / CEO type might understand the business angle.

Don't even get me started with 'journalists' who have to report on any of these areas. It's hard.

There's some sort of Peter Principle effect where people from the various fields present themselves (perhaps sometimes accidentally) as experts in the other areas. Sorry, but knowing advanced cryptographic algorithms doesn't give you the authority such that I'm going to believe your predictions about law or politics. If you're an MBA/marketing type, hearing you talk about asymmetric encryption sometimes leads me to cringe.

Meanwhile, the people who actually COMMENT on cryptocurrency news are the worst. They range from "there's nobody home in the head" types that type in all-caps comments that look more like wishes about 'the moon', or perhaps some attack against the FED and money-printing that they repeat; to baby boomers who scream about tulips and that you can't touch the digital assets.

It's a disaster of information overload. The best you can do is observe, place your bets (if you're the betting type) and watch passively.

Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by dvh on Saturday March 03, 2018 @11:31AM (#16510013)
Maybe we should create some discussion system where in order to post you need proof of expertise (PoE)
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by osteele on Saturday March 03, 2018 @12:13PM (#16510250)
Like Math CAPTCHA, only deeper and with more subject matter versions? One of the math forums (Cut the Knot?) had something like this, that actually required (I think) calculus.

Reputation systems such as HN itself are another approach. These might not scale; or they might require an eigentrust-like system to scale; or scaling via eigentrust might create and reinforce the same kind of filter bubbles we see on social media. Who decides who’s a climate expert?

Steemit is an attempt at a blockchain-based reputation system. Whenever I’ve looked, it’s been dominated by low-quality content, mostly about crypto itself. Maybe this is growing pains, or maybe a reputation system needs a different go-to-market (that bootstraps from an existing platform or community), or maybe wedding reputation to crypto — or at least to crypto that pays out — just isn’t a good idea. (You didn’t exactly suggest that, either; I just riffed my way over to it.)

Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by simcop2387 on Saturday March 03, 2018 @12:27PM (#16510337)
As for a math captcha, http://random.irb.hr/signup.php

sometimes it'll be simple arithmatic, other times multi-variable calculus.

Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by verylittlemeat on Saturday March 03, 2018 @10:38PM (#16513126)
This idea was what lead to the split up of Jimmy Wales and Larry Sanger on Wikipedia. Sanger went and created Citizendium which was supposed to be wikipedia with only credentialed authors and a panel of peer review.

By all accounts Citizendium failed pretty spectacularly.

Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by ty_a on Saturday March 03, 2018 @12:11PM (#16510236)
Maybe you could count number of Ph.D contributors? I bet Bitcoin has as many or more than every other project combined.
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by infowl on Saturday March 03, 2018 @06:46PM (#16512412)
Citation needed. Appeal to authority, with no evidence of competency.
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by IncRnd on Saturday March 03, 2018 @01:00PM (#16510537)
Why do you believe that?
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by kirillseva on Saturday March 03, 2018 @01:54PM (#16510860)
IOTA has a lot of PhD contributors, allegedly
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by desireco42 on Saturday March 03, 2018 @12:07PM (#16510207)
Excellent, and we need to release the token that you will get based on PoE.
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by douglaswlance on Saturday March 03, 2018 @11:43AM (#16510082)
With a methodology for generating consensus...
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by Tinyyy on Saturday March 03, 2018 @11:55AM (#16510142)
Well it’s hard to be negatively exposed to crypto so the discussion will be biased.
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by osteele on Saturday March 03, 2018 @11:59AM (#16510164)
You can short crypto on Cboe and CME. A few minutes on the internet will reveal other means for shorting crypto.
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by vinniejames on Saturday March 03, 2018 @01:03PM (#16510563)
Like Stack overflow?
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by doktrin on Saturday March 03, 2018 @01:39PM (#16510765)
> those that constantly critique cryptocurrency are often so wrong about their assumptions it's just pointless reading on

People often criticize 'crypto' on the basis of technology, but are wrong about the market because the market is driven by psychology, and often disregards the tech.

Like, people might say "oh, so-and-so is vaporware because it's literally just a whitepaper and an empty github repo", and then people go "pfft, whatever you don't understand their vision" - and the value goes up 50x over two weeks.

Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by eksemplar on Saturday March 03, 2018 @11:40AM (#16510066)
There are more than 1500 coins and tokens on the market, I’d wager that you could find a cryptocurrency project that fit almost everything that’s said in those discussions.
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by 0xFFFF0000 on Saturday March 03, 2018 @02:31PM (#16511066)
Discussion are commonly emotional, rather then rational - it's freedom, it's getting rid of banks, it's a scam, it's a secret project by the NSA, etc... and it's also politically charged topic, and everyone has an opinion, because a lot of people own crypto currency/mine or at least know someone who has. Its rare to see so many people interested in a given topic.

There are great resources, although the are commonly rather vertical, then horizontal by topic. E.g. there is a lot of great technical information out around Bitcoin, how it works, wiki pages that discuss the code and algorithms in details - really useful stuff, e.g: https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-guide

Its rare though to find a more "cross-disciple" assessment/analysis of crypto currencies (political, economic impcat, society changes,...). If anyone has good resources, please share.

Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by DidISayTooMuch on Saturday March 03, 2018 @02:02PM (#16510898)
I'm not sure if you are just following these lambo-moon kids on the internet. There are many many smart people working in the cryptocurrency. Just start following Naval Ravikanth, Adam Back, Balaji Srinivasan, Meltem Demirors et al.
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by hndamien on Sunday March 04, 2018 @07:20PM (#16517727)
I once had a very expensive chat with Naval and I told him that I was fairly confident that Mt Gox was insolvent. He was quite confident that it wasn't. Lesson: Don't trust anybody in crypto. I'm glad I didn't.
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by SamPatt on Saturday March 03, 2018 @01:06PM (#16510577)
Don't lump all cryptocurrency together. There are plenty of people who are strong believers in Bitcoin's more simple value proposition of electric cash and more simple scripting language than the complicated ethereum system.
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by Obi_Juan_Kenobi on Saturday March 03, 2018 @07:25PM (#16512559)
Most of the worthwhile discussion happens on email lists and old clunky forums. There used to be subreddits that were decent, but that time has passed.
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by garmaine on Saturday March 03, 2018 @11:39AM (#16510052)
Reasonable discussion doesn’t happen on the internet (serious).
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by crowbahr on Saturday March 03, 2018 @11:54AM (#16510135)
I'd say reasonable discussion doesn't happen between strangers.
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by kybernetikos on Saturday March 03, 2018 @12:40PM (#16510429)
My experience is that reasonable discussion is a higher percentage of internet discussion than it is of in person discussion. But maybe I hang out in different places to you on the internet, or perhaps the people I spend time with in real life are insufficiently interested in 'reasonable discussion'.
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by mancerayder on Saturday March 03, 2018 @01:46PM (#16510816)
Maybe not on Reddit, which has an average age and IQ lower than here (in my very strong opinion).

But on the Internet, which is really to say in written form, there's more room for attention span and dissection of arguments. In person, in conversation, you have attention span issues, you have failure to break down definitions and thus people arguing sideways against one another, etc.

It's harder to cheat in the written word.

Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by garmaine on Saturday March 03, 2018 @07:36PM (#16512607)
Even hacker news has a rediculously low signal to noise compared with, say, well moderated community debate or other in person discussion.
Re:Ethereum fixes serious “eclipse” flaw by IncRnd on Saturday March 03, 2018 @01:01PM (#16510548)
Actually, that's a reasonable statement.

Uh oh. This reasoning is unreasonably self-contradictory.