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Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by pliftkl on Friday February 02, 2018 @08:12PM (#16295530)
Not the person you are responding to, but as someone who probably feels the same way, I'm ok with someone disrupting my local taxi monopoly by having someone who is not certified driving the car that is taking me to the airport, because I can largely agree that most humans can drive a car. I'm much less ok with the person flying my airplane not being certified.
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by amptorn on Saturday February 03, 2018 @07:50AM (#16297415)
> having someone who is not certified driving the car

You mean, someone who hasn't passed a driving test? Or someone who had their license revoked?

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by yuhong on Friday February 02, 2018 @08:16PM (#16295544)
And fortunately commercial pilot licenses are semi-common too.
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by f33g91pv43232f on Saturday February 03, 2018 @03:44AM (#16296827)
But an ATPL (airline transport pilot license) is hard and much more rare, unlike CPL it requires significant experience and training. Those are what you want for an airline. "Commercial pilot license" (CPL) is something that even I as a private pilot can rather easily add to my repertoire, it does not require much experience.

Some answers to the question "Difference between CPL and ATPL":

- https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-CPL-and...

- https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/18vzuj/can_someone_...

- https://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-168050.html

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by chx on Saturday February 03, 2018 @01:55AM (#16296568)
> I can largely agree that most humans can drive a car.

This is a society level agreement I am absolutely baffled by. Most people can't or at least not well and there are not studies I know into this. Reflexes, decision making processes etc are all lacking in case something bad happens.

Edit: thanks for the swift, numerous downvotes! Care to link a few studies so I can learn more where I am wrong?

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by ghaff on Saturday February 03, 2018 @03:22AM (#16296769)
I didn't downvote but I assume it's because you made IMO a pretty ridiculous, or at least completely unactionable statement. Life, including modern life, is all about balancing costs and benefits. One of the benefits (for most people) of modern life is that you can hop in a car and drive places. A strict training and licensing regime along with other rules and regulations similar to those that apply to pilots, especially commercial and military ones, is incompatible with that benefit. There are various laws and rules but they're deliberately set at a "most adults can drive" level.

You may not like that tradeoff but most people disagree.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by TeMPOraL on Saturday February 03, 2018 @04:37AM (#16296924)
> A strict training and licensing regime along with other rules and regulations similar to those that apply to pilots, especially commercial and military ones, is incompatible with that benefit.

The full set of regulations maybe, but I believe you could retain the "most adults can drive" level while making everyone go through much stricter training and licensing regime. Right now in Europe and US, the required training and examinations are ridiculously weak (amounts to basically explaining the UI of the car and going over the basic maneuvers until the point you no longer spectacularly fail at them). It only shows that as a society, we never grew the required respect for the driving. I think it's because back when the expectations set, there were much less cars on the road.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by chx on Tuesday February 06, 2018 @01:21AM (#16314755)
> One of the benefits (for most people) of modern life is that you can hop in a car and drive places.

The price we pay for that is grimly high.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by philipwhiuk on Saturday February 03, 2018 @08:57AM (#16297626)
I'm sorry but you're an idiot. If you haven't got a license to drive a car you shouldn't be driving on the road without close supervision by qualified driver, much less taking paying passengers.

Qualified drivers are dangerous. Unqualified unsupervised drivers are a lethality to everyone.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by saddlerustle on Friday February 02, 2018 @08:36PM (#16295622)
That seems backwards, given planes are 10x safer than cars
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by mikestew on Friday February 02, 2018 @08:41PM (#16295642)
Commercial flights, yes, and that’s because we certify and license the crap out of such things. And thus we circle back around to parent’s point.

I don’t have a source at hand, but IIRC flying a private plane is one of the better and more reliable ways to get yourself hurt or killed.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by tialaramex on Friday February 02, 2018 @09:08PM (#16295739)
Yup. There are hundreds of fatal plane crashes in the US every year. Mostly private pilots, a few charters and other commercial but non-scheduled flights such as medical evacuation.

People often say things like "Plane crashes are very rare" but they're (often unconsciously) conflating "Plane crash" with "Scheduled commercial aviation accident resulting in fatalities". _Plane crashes_ happen all the time, because people fly planes and people are idiots. They forget to put enough fuel in the plane, they don't check the engine works properly, they do maintenance and forget to put back important components... they lose track of where they are, they make bad decisions, they don't plan things properly in advance, they ignore warnings, it never ends.

Commercial aviation is safe _despite_ these problems, and one of the ways that's achieved is by having rules that everybody has to follow, and by incrementally improving those rules in the light of what is learned from both accidents (which are rare) and incidents short of accidents (reported anonymously to ASRS at NASA). Not following the rules to be "disruptive" will get people killed.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by yazr on Saturday February 03, 2018 @04:43AM (#16296933)
Is this the accepted wisdom or your opinion?

What i mean - is the dominant cause human error, or is it just normal, random failures paired with a low margin environment ?!

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by phkahler on Saturday February 03, 2018 @07:59AM (#16297441)
It isn't simply accepted wisdom or opinion. Every fatal aircraft accident is investigated by the federal government until they find a root cause (and some non-fatal accidents). They don't just blame the pilot because it's convenient to blame the dead human either. Running out of fuel ranks near the top and is easy to verify. Failure to follow procedures is often a contributing factor if not a direct cause. Approach stalls are far too common, and that's simply pilot error - sorry, there's no other way to explain that. Mechanical failures happen too and are often a result of improper maintenance.

IMHO electric planes should be more reliable and easier on the pilot, but they may never really be a thing without a major breakthrough in batteries.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by Karrot_Kream on Saturday February 03, 2018 @05:13AM (#16297006)
Aviation is a game of low margins but there's a _lot_ of training around how to handle those margins. Maximum wind speeds, maximum weight, distribution of weights, checklists for checking your engine and airframe and all that. Almost all aviation accidents are pilot error.
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by gbacon on Saturday February 03, 2018 @11:03AM (#16298101)
According to the FAA[0], the top ten leading causes of fatal general-aviation accidents between 2001 and 2016 were

1. Loss of Control Inflight

2. Controlled Flight Into Terrain

3. System Component Failure – Powerplant

4. Fuel Related

5. Unknown or Undetermined

6. System Component Failure – Non-Powerplant

7. Unintended Flight In IMC

8. Midair Collisions Low

9. Low-Altitude Operations

10. Other

Items 5 and 10 give us no information. We can charitably let pilots off the hook on 3 and 6, but the root cause might be inadequate preflight inspection or maintenance.

The rest are clearly pilot error.

(1) Loss of control is commonly (aerodynamic) stalls that sometimes lead to spins, and a large number of those tend to occur on the same turn in the airport traffic pattern just before landing.

(2) Controlled Flight Into Terrain (CFIT) means the pilot flew the airplane right into the ground, a mountain, buildings, or water. The pilot failed to recognize or prevent an impending collision.

(4) Fuel mismanagement is one of the most preventable on the list. Take enough fuel for your mission plus the required legal reserve! Math is hard, though. If I have fifty-gallon tanks and burn 16 gallons per hour, that’s four hours of fuel. In other cases, impatience or being a cheapskate not wanting to take on fuel for a short mission is the culprit. Arrogantly proclaiming “I know this airplane” will do it too. Pilots say the only time you can have too much fuel is when you’re on fire.

(7) Unintended flight into Instrument Meteorological Conditions (IMC) means accidentally flying into clouds, fog, precipitation, haze, and so on. Flying in IMC requires an adequately equipped airplane (A TOMATO FLAMES plus GRABCARD[1]), an Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) clearance from Air Traffic Control (ATC), and an instrument-rated pilot with IFR currency. This means additional training, preparation, and proficiency. Without outside reference to the horizon, humans are subject to all sorts of dangerous sensory illusions. An instrument-rated pilot must navigate solely by reference to the flight instruments, not an easy skill. A study with dubious methods concluded that after unintended flight into IMC, a pilot has 178 seconds[2] to live.

(8) In Visual Meteorological Conditions (VMC, the opposite of IMC), all pilots have see-and-avoid responsibility for obstacles and other aircraft. Pilots on IFR flight plans are guaranteed ATC services. Pilots on Visual Flight Rules (VFR) flight plans may optionally obtain VFR traffic advisories, also known as flight following. When aircraft are close together, ATC will point out traffic (other aircraft), e.g., “Cessna 123AB, traffic two o’clock, five miles, six thousand, southeast bound.” A collision in IMC might be due to ATC error, namely loss of required aircraft separation, but those cases are the exception.

(9) Low-altitude operations means flying near the ground. A common example of this is crop dusters. Those guys are crazy. Hotdogging pilots buzzing their friends on the ground is a foolish example that leads to accidents. Think of YouTube videos of someone in a Cub flying low over a river with trees on either side. As you noted, this is an extremely low-margin environment. Over a congested area, pilots are required to remain at least a thousand feet above the ground, which is still extremely low. Sparsely populated areas and open water have no legal restrictions, and the rest require at least a 500-foot buffer. All of those are still extremely close to the ground and require a sharp pilot. Power lines, antennae, towers, bridges, and trees are all potentially fatal obstacles.

[0]: https://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/news_story.cfm?newsId=2...

[1]: http://www.askacfi.com/1651/ifr-required-equipment.htm

[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXzYZjpoz_E

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by toomuchtodo on Friday February 02, 2018 @08:51PM (#16295675)
My life insurance policy specifically denies a claim if I'm flying general aviation (private plane). It is that much more dangerous than commercial (on par with driving in a car).

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/17/opinion/The-Dangers-of-Pr...

"The National Transportation Safety Board found that in 2011, 94 percent of fatal aviation accidents occurred in what’s called general aviation. That category includes private small planes flown by amateurs as well as professionally piloted corporate flights in high-powered aircraft, such as the Gulfstream IV jet that crashed in May in Bedford, Mass., killing all seven people on board. By contrast, commercial aviation had no fatal accidents that year. Statistics from the N.T.S.B. show that general aviation aircraft average nearly seven accidents per 100,000 flight hours, compared with an average of 0.16 accidents per 100,000 hours for commercial airlines."

Emphasis mine.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by userbinator on Friday February 02, 2018 @11:04PM (#16296099)
on par with driving in a car

...which people in general seem to have no particular fear of.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by labcomputer on Saturday February 03, 2018 @12:50AM (#16296396)
From the user to whom you're replying:

> [...] show that general aviation aircraft average nearly seven accidents per 100,000 flight hours, compared with an average of 0.16 accidents per 100,000 hours for commercial airlines.

So the accident rate for GA is over 40 times higher than commercial.

On top of that, around three quarters of these fatal accidents are the result of what could be broadly categorized as pilot error... Which is why the FAA has such a stick up its butt about the licensing status of the TapJets pilots.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by TeMPOraL on Saturday February 03, 2018 @04:24AM (#16296902)
Because people in general are idiots.

Or, to express it more charitably - we're all used to it. Car-related fatalities no longer register as unusual. You don't hear much about them in the news. They're treated as "something that unavoidably happens to people". Like cancer or heart attack, and unlike murder, which is unusual. I'm willing to bet that you're friends or acquaintances with people who crashed their cars (with or without health consequences), and you're at most two hops in your social graph from people who died in a car accident.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by raverbashing on Saturday February 03, 2018 @04:17AM (#16296890)
Majority of car accidents are minor. You might end with some bruises or some damage to the car, but nothing too bad

Plane accidents are much more likely to result in fatalities

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by Piskvorrr on Saturday February 03, 2018 @08:43AM (#16297586)
[Citation-needed].
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by toomuchtodo on Friday February 02, 2018 @11:22PM (#16296158)
Which is strange, considering 34k people in the US alone die each year in car accidents. Driving is a high risk activity.
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by unethical_ban on Friday February 02, 2018 @10:01PM (#16295891)
Your insurance company sounds like a bag of dicks. Do they also deny a claim if you ride a motorcycle without a helmet, which is legal? What about skydiving, or skiing a black diamond course, or attempting Longs Peak in the winter without three layers on?
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by NikolaNovak on Friday February 02, 2018 @10:33PM (#16295993)
Sometimes I forget the USA centric nature of forum until I read riding without helmet is legal... :0

I've see motorcycles without helmet last time I was down south in the fall and it scares the absolute beejesus bonkers out of me :/

(I've been riding for a decade, do occasional dirt trails, and have doing motorsport rallying a while back, but never enough of a daredevil to mount a bike without helmet and armour)

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by morganvachon on Saturday February 03, 2018 @06:44AM (#16297241)
> Sometimes I forget the USA centric nature of forum until I read riding without helmet is legal... :0

It varies by state; this is one of those occasions where the federal government leaves it up to each state to mandate as they please. You might be surprised to learn that Georgia, a deeply Republican (i.e. anti-regulation) state, has strict requirements for motorcycle safety including mandatory helmets for any vehicle classed as a motorcycle.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by wallace_f on Saturday February 03, 2018 @07:56AM (#16297426)
Republican has come to mean more "anti-authority" with respect to regulations, and not even necessarily less, but just less ones which hurt private profits. It does not really any longer mean 'against ones which hurt individual liberties.'
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by rz2k on Saturday February 03, 2018 @03:13AM (#16296755)
Riding without a helmet is not universally legal in the US.

In the past there was pressure from the federal government on state governments to enact more universal laws about wearing helmets. Now many states only require that young riders wear helmets and a handful don't have any rule. Here is an overview with a map, too: http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/laws/helmetuse/mapmotorcycle...

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by NikolaNovak on Saturday February 03, 2018 @01:35PM (#16298827)
Thanks! Appreciate the further info! :>
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by raverbashing on Saturday February 03, 2018 @11:29AM (#16298223)
On the other hand, if one is in need of an organ donation, moving to one of those states might be a good idea
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by ryanwaggoner on Saturday February 03, 2018 @12:10AM (#16296298)
Usually when you apply, they ask if you do or plan to do any of these things. If so, they may decline to offer a policy, or offer one with a rider that excludes those activities. I’m a low-time pilot and my life insurance won’t cover me for plane crashes either.
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by toomuchtodo on Saturday February 03, 2018 @12:26AM (#16296336)
If you’re interested, AOPA has partnered with providers who will extend life insurance with no GA exclusions. Check out their website for more info.
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by ryanwaggoner on Saturday February 03, 2018 @02:40PM (#16299157)
Yeah, I've looked at AOPA and others but I'm a bit too low-time to get favorable rates, and now I'm a lapsed pilot who hasn't flown in a few years, so it's on the backburner for now. Thanks though!
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by TeMPOraL on Saturday February 03, 2018 @04:29AM (#16296908)
Insurance is a for-profit business. It's normal for them to exclude high-risk activities from being covered by a policy that's priced for low-risk life. You can get a special GA-covering policy if you pay extra, there or elsewhere.
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by ajdlinux on Saturday February 03, 2018 @12:59AM (#16296417)
I don't know about life insurance, but I know every travel insurance policy I've ever taken out specifically excludes skydiving and skiing unless you pay extra for a special policy.

Also, motorcycles without helmets!?!?!?!?!?!?!? America, I presume?

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by unethical_ban on Saturday February 03, 2018 @02:33AM (#16296668)
Are helmets a legal requirement in your country (Australia, I see)?

As a former and future rider, I always wear a full helmet, but people have the legal right to ride without one.

If we were going for maximum safety for transportation, uncaged motor transport would be prohibited.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by ajdlinux on Saturday February 03, 2018 @03:21AM (#16296768)
Yes.

It's also a legal requirement to wear helmets when riding a pushbike too, which is something far more controversial as there's research to suggest that the effect those laws have on reducing cycling participation has a more negative impact on visibility and safety of cyclists. But I don't think I've ever heard someone say that mandatory motorbike helmet laws are a bad thing.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by wallace_f on Saturday February 03, 2018 @08:13AM (#16297477)
The problem with your presumption that authority is good, is that it assumes the authority is somehow better at making decisions for an individual than the individual is.

There is research which shows that the trend towards higher vehicular weight is caused by drivers desire to be, or at least feel, safer. Yet this makes less economically fortunate drivers less safe, has adverse impact on the environment, and doesn't improve human welfare.

Why do we regulate helmets and not vehicular weight? It might have less to do with improving welfare and more to do with individual politics. I fear people have more of a tendency to want to be an authority over personal liberties than of unwarranted aggressions. For example, how long have people protested gay relationships, but allowed sexual harassment to persist?

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by razorunreal on Saturday February 03, 2018 @10:29AM (#16297959)
Having lived in both countries, Australia doesn't seem to have the inflating vehicle size problem to the same degree. Plus the attitude to welfare is very different in general. I don't think you can just transplant laws and arguments from one to the other and expect them to make sense.
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by njarboe on Saturday February 03, 2018 @02:23AM (#16296638)
Many people ride motorcycles for pleasure in America. Motorcycles are a dangerous mode of transportation (more than cars, buses, etc.), even if you wear a helmet. If you are going for maximum pleasure/risk then, if the pleasure is much higher without a helmet, it is rational to not wear one, if you are riding for pleasure.

Commuting on a motorcycle, you should wear a helmet. Pleasure ride on the weekends, maybe not. Let the person make the decision. Seems good to me. America.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by AluminiumPoint on Saturday February 03, 2018 @02:55AM (#16296713)
Absolutely insane, it is an irrational risk NOT to wear a helmet. Here are some cdc facts:

* Helmets saved an estimated 1,772 lives in 2015.

* If all motorcyclists would have worn helmets in 2015, 740 more could have been saved.

* Helmets reduce the risk of death by 37%.

* Helmets reduce the risk of head injury by 69%

https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/mc/index.html

Wear your helmet. Do it for yourself and your family, and never tell anyone NOT to wear a helmet. Seriously!

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by njarboe on Saturday February 03, 2018 @03:00AM (#16296727)
It is insane to ride a motorcycle. Once you decide that you want to risk riding a motorcycle for pleasure, maybe the increased pleasure of not wearing a helmet is worth it. Why would you ride a motorcycle at all for pleasure, if your philosophy of life is safety first?
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by morganvachon on Saturday February 03, 2018 @06:50AM (#16297259)
Because safety and pleasure are not mutually exclusive. If your question was valid, skydivers wouldn't use parachutes and skiers would wear shorts and tank tops.

Just because one wants to enjoy a risky activity doesn't mean one has no common sense or self-preservation instinct.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by wallace_f on Saturday February 03, 2018 @08:19AM (#16297503)
Free climbers, astronauts and political dissidents must also be insane, and not understand this, either? Or their utility function is simply maximized at a place where yours is not.

I wouldn't smoke, ride without a helmet, etc, but who am I to say you are wrong for doing so? There are many people who would not sign up for a trip to Mars, but I would. Who are they to tell me I am wrong for a wanting this?

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by morganvachon on Saturday February 03, 2018 @08:45PM (#16300789)
> "Free climbers, astronauts and political dissidents must also be insane"

Wait, when did I accuse anyone of insanity?

> "I wouldn't smoke, ride without a helmet, etc, but who am I to say you are wrong for doing so?"

I never said anyone was wrong for anything. I think you meant to reply to person I replied to above; you and I seem to agree more or less.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by tomohawk on Saturday February 03, 2018 @07:23AM (#16297345)
It's just insane to ride a motorcycle in the more populated areas of the US - with or without a helmet. A friend of mine works in a skilled nursing facility. Most of the younger males who end up there are because motorcycles. While wearing helmets saved their lives, many of them will be disabled in some way the rest of their lives.
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by jakobegger on Saturday February 03, 2018 @03:34AM (#16296800)
I’ve been to a couple of motorcycle accidents (I worked as an ambulance driver), and I was surprised how little they got hurt. Most people here only drive with full protective gear, and it helps a lot.

Kids driving on mopeds, on the other hand, is a different story. Even though they only drive at low speeds, they get hurt really badly even in minor accidents because they don’t wear protective clothing.

Yes, motorcycling is dangerous, but your clothes make a huge difference.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by njarboe on Saturday February 03, 2018 @03:30PM (#16299459)
I agree. I have been in a pretty serious motorcycle "accident". Broke my wrist and banged up my ankle pretty bad. Full helmet (with a big scrape on it where I hit the ground), leather jacket (again, nice scrape on the back), jeans, and high boots. Glad I was wearing them. But I have ridden without a helmet (legal in NM at the time) a few times when the weather was right and I'm on a shortish, easy joy ride. Worth the risk for me in those few instances. It is also great to be able to give someone else a short ride on a whim and let them wear your helmet, while you go without. Not a big plus for me to live in a place where everything that the majority thinks is imprudent is illegal.
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by jrs235 on Saturday February 03, 2018 @09:05AM (#16297658)
Mopeds with people riding with flip flops or sandals. Shutter.
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by grkvlt on Saturday February 03, 2018 @01:21PM (#16298754)
> better and more reliable ways to get yourself [...] killed

I think it's also one of the more expensive ways of achieving this, too. Although I'd love to see some statistics on this, using some appropriate units. Something like 'dollars per death per mile-year' maybe? Anyone have thoughts on how to source the data and/or calculate this properly?

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by hn_throwaway_99 on Friday February 02, 2018 @08:43PM (#16295649)
And why do you think they are so much safer? Pretty sure it has something to do with the fact that regulations for flights and pilots are extremely stringent, while any old yokel who can fog a mirror can pass a driver's test.
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by sk5t on Friday February 02, 2018 @08:38PM (#16295637)
Well, commercial airliners are safe... small private craft, not as much.
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by jsmthrowaway on Saturday February 03, 2018 @02:20AM (#16296630)
General aviation aircraft are quite safe. I don’t have data on hand to back this up on mobile, but I’d wager more than half (honestly, more) of those GA incidents are pilot error, whether operationally or maintenance-related. Checklist culture and attention to detail is important, and has reasons for existing.

It’s a perfectly fine hobby if you respect it, and there’s no sense discouraging otherwise qualified folks from flying. GA is already in severe decline.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by TeMPOraL on Saturday February 03, 2018 @04:32AM (#16296918)
Cars are safe too - most of the traffic deaths happen because of the drivers, not because of the hardware.

I think when GP wrote "commercial airliners are safe... small private craft, not as much", they meant it from the POV of a passenger.

Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by stordoff on Friday February 02, 2018 @09:11PM (#16295745)
Does that account for pilot involvement (properly certified pilots will avoid dangerous situations more often than car drivers _because_ the requirements are much higher, and will get out of potentially dangerous situations when they arise)?
Re:FAA Issues Emergency Order of Revocation Against TapJets by yread on Saturday February 03, 2018 @02:43AM (#16296689)
per passenger mile yes, but not per trip