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Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by dvfjsdhgfv on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @08:44AM (#16265172)
This is a bone of contention and a heavily discussed subject, because the world is not a black-and-white place. The Red Army was indeed a savior. It is thanks to those masses of poor soldiers, of which eight millions died, that the horror of WWII last only five years or so. All Europe and all world indeed should be grateful to them.

On the other hand, there was the Stalinist regime, ruthless rule, killing one's own people and others - for power and control. Whenever someone makes any judgement about Russians, they make a generalizing mistake. On top of that, I'd be very careful when making judgements about people's behaviors in extreme situations, it's quite easy to make that at a distance.

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by bobthechef on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:38AM (#16266659)
You have to take into account Soviet intent. Stalin was not interested in liberating Poland or the other countries occupied by the Nazis per se. Stalin was interested in Soviet domination. He had already tried to conquer Poland in the Polish-Soviet War of 1919-1920 (in which Pilecki fought, as the article mentions). They lost to the Poles. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was essentially a temporary agreement (that really, neither the Nazis nor the Soviets intended to stick to ultimately) that explicitly had as its aim the division and dismemberment of Poland between Germany and Russia. "Soviet liberation" may mean that the Soviet occupation of Poland and the countries of the Eastern bloc had the result of removing the Nazis, but the ultimate goal was not liberation but also occupation.

That many Russians died to secure Soviet control over Central/Eastern Europe is not proof that the Soviets were self-sacrificial liberators, but rather that in Soviet, and ultimately Russian, culture, human life is much more dispensable to those in power than it is in the West. The Tsars, and their Soviet successors, were tyrants who could decide the fate of any subject. To this day, the Russian leadership has no problem in carrying out assassinations of politically problematic people, even abroad. The Soviet-installed government in Poland following WWII operated according to similar principles and under Soviet directives, though not to the same extremes as the Soviet leadership. Pilecki is one of many who were brutally tortured and executed by the communists, many of them members of the Home Army. Both Nazis and Soviets took part in exterminating swathes of Polish society they saw as a threat or an inconvenience to their rule (e.g. Katyn massacre), during and also, in the case of the Soviets, following the War.

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by michaelmrose on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @02:16PM (#16268067)
"ut rather that in Soviet, and ultimately Russian, culture, human life is much more dispensable to those in power than it is in the West."

It is easy to lay blame at the feet of a handful of leaders and forget that in centuries the Russian people put their arms, their strength, their blood behind such. It is easy to focus on a single tiny person within the scope of history and say of course this person had no power and no complicity in evil and forget that the totality of the Russian people are complicit in the actions of their leaders.

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by dvfjsdhgfv on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @05:13PM (#16269596)
At the time of war there is no such thing as freedom. You are given a rifle and ordered to kill. If you disobey, you are killed, it's as simple as that. Try to be in that situation and then talk about responsibility.

Tell me, who was responsible for the hundreds of thousands killed in the battle of Verdun: individual soldiers? Scared to death, trembling, half-insane, playing dead under the dead, left without any reasonable choice, resembling more animals than humans? Or someone else, who actually sent them there?

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by michaelmrose on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @02:38PM (#16276852)
Their society found their situation tolerable. Even after the chaos was over they kept the same style of leadership. The same people who spent their blood but kept their lives didn't fight for something much better.

The same was true of prior tyrants they embraced.

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by badpun on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:11AM (#16265371)
> The Red Army was indeed a savior. It is thanks to those masses of poor soldiers, of which eight millions died, that the horror of WWII last only five years or so. All Europe and all world indeed should be grateful to them.

That is under a big assumption that Stalin's USSR was actually better than Hitler's Germany. Since there were lots of people who fled Soviet-occupied parts of Poland into German-occupied ones (hoping that life under Hitler will be less of a horror), this is not really clear whether the cure was not worse than the disease.

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by olavk on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:43AM (#16265617)
It would very much depends on who you were. If you had German ancestry you would be better off under the Germans, if you were Jewish you were far worse off. A lot of people in the former USSR occupied areas like the Baltics or Ukraine actually greeted the Germans as liberators, but they quickly changed their mind when they realized the Germans considered Slavs subhumans.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by b0rsuk on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @12:46PM (#16267237)
Hitler had this list of peoples to exterminate:

  * Jews
  * Romanies ("gypsies")
  * Slavs (Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Czechs, modern Macedonians, Serbs, Slovaks, Bulgarians, Slovenians...)
Jews took the biggest blow, but Hitler didn't plan to stop there. And not all of it was even ethnic. For example, he hated homosexuals and disabled people. He was going to clean the race. Communists were a target, too.

The reason he didn't exterminate everyone at the same time is that he needed slaves and collaborators in the transitional period. People down the list could be used to exterminate those higher up (indirectly, but sometimes directly).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by greedo on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @03:22PM (#16268668)
As well as almost any Polish professionals: Teachers, professors, lawyers, government officials, religious figures. The goal of the Germans was to dismantle almost all of Polish society and replace it with German society.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by zeveb on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @05:44PM (#16269788)
The Soviets also had the goal of exterminating the Polish professional class, hence their massacres at Katyn & elsewhere of, among others, Polish Boy Scouts.

Few people realise that the Soviet Union took roughly one-third of Poland when it & Germany invaded Poland at the beginning of the Second World War — and it kept that territory after the war. Polish society in those conquered territories was replaced with Russian society.

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by dvfjsdhgfv on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @02:43AM (#16272223)
This is the point of view taught in Polish schools, so it's unthinkable for a Pole to think otherwise. However, Lithuanians, Belorussians and Ukrainians would beg to disagree.

For me the most fascinating is the case of Lithuania. Polish children are taught about the Commonwealth, common history, fighting together... So when they hear about anti-Polish sentiment there, it makes no sense to them. People are surprised and can't understand it. That's the fault of presenting a one-sided version of history and completely ignoring the POV of your neighbors.

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by b0rsuk on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @06:10AM (#16273017)
I'm no expert on history, but this is where Nazi ideology seems contradict itself for me:

  * They claimed that all development in Russia was led by people of German (Aryan) origin,
  * Yet they focused their efforts on exterminating the social elite first, to make the society of Untermensh (slave race) fall faster.
Could someone chime in?
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by olavk on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @08:03AM (#16273488)
I don't see the contradiction. They didn't exterminate people of German descent in the conquered territories, rather they were supposed to become the new elite.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by b0rsuk on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @06:08PM (#16278400)
Focusing on exterminating of social elite (doctors, lawyers, famous artists, officers, writers, journalists...) is admitting there was an elite. How can a slave race have people creating culture and order?
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by olavk on Thursday February 01, 2018 @04:16AM (#16280508)
You cant challenge Nazi racial ideology as if it was a logically consistent system. It was pretty opportunistic. For example Slavs are technically Aryan (given the theory behind the concept of an Aryan race), but nevertheless the Nazis considered them subhumans because it justified the lebensraum politics. On the other hand, the Japanese was elevated to "honorable Aryans" when they became allies.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by pmyteh on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:31AM (#16265532)
It was unambiguously better if you lived in Great Britain or other places which were at war with Germany but not occupied post-war by the Soviets.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by badpun on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:54AM (#16265715)
The Soviets were quite open about aiming for world conquest, starting with Europe. They tried it first in 1920, but Poland miraculously defeated them. WWII was another attempt (had Hitler not attacked first, Stalin would probably just attack Germany within a short period of time) - first Poland and Germany, then France, Spain, Italy, UK etc. It only stopped at Poland and Eastern Germany that time because of strong backing of the US for the Western Europe.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by blindwatchmaker on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @04:17PM (#16269121)
The Soviets were not bent on world conquest, but on securing a ring of buffer states around them as security for their country. Witness Stalin's betrayal of the communists in Greece as horse trading for influence elsewhere. Stalin's socialism in one country policy set against exporting revolution was in fact a huge point of contention with other factions of the Bolsheviks.

While the Soviets did harbour imperial ambitions against neighbouring states (Poland, Finland), this:

> had Hitler not attacked first, Stalin would probably just attack Germany within a short period of time

is blatantly false, and insultingly so given the millions of Soviet citizens who paid a bloody price for Stalin's total lack of readiness at the German border or mobilization against the Nazis.

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by mamon on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @05:52PM (#16269845)
Actually, it is pretty well documented that Germans forestalled Soviet offensive by just few weeks, maybe months. Red Army’s initial misfortunes after Germany’s attack in 1941 were caused by the fact that all the troops they had in proximity to USSR-German border were preparing to attack, not to defend themselves.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by ethelward on Sunday February 04, 2018 @09:26AM (#16302827)
> it is pretty well documented that Germans forestalled Soviet offensive by just few weeks

No it's not. The only “Historian” to say so was the so-called Suvorov, a transfuge of the NKVD. And his theories have been thoroughly dismantled by the whole academia.

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by mannykannot on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @04:09PM (#16269044)
While Stalin might have wished to invade Germany in 1941 or 42, he was in no position to do so, having recently liquidated most of the Red Army's leadership.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by ferkad on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:17AM (#16265428)
Just do not forget they joined Germany in the invasion of Poland in September 1939. Only because of the termination of Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact by Nazies Soviets were forced to fight them.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by myth_drannon on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @10:34AM (#16266085)
And before that Germany and Poland joined forces together to invade Czechoslovakia....
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by olavk on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:29AM (#16266559)
Hungary also got a piece. All with the blessing of UK and France, but not the USSR which opposed the treaty. Presumably this is what forced the USSR to sign their own separate treaty with Germany. There is really a lot of blame to go around.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by bobthechef on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:22AM (#16266511)
Your insinuation is kind of grotesque.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by yareally on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:44AM (#16266723)
It's not insinuation, but a part of history that's overlooked:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaolzie

"The Zaolzie region was created in 1920, when Cieszyn Silesia was divided between Czechoslovakia and Poland. Zaolzie forms the eastern part of the Czech portion of Cieszyn Silesia. The division did not satisfy any side, and persisting conflict over the region led to its annexation by Poland in October 1938, following the Munich Agreement. After German invasion of Poland in 1939, the area became a part of Nazi Germany until 1945. After the war, the 1920 borders were restored."

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by lucozade on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:50AM (#16266775)
What insinuation are you referring to?

To my knowledge there's no evidence that Germany and Poland colluded in the annexation of Czechoslovakia but Poland definitely did take the opportunity to annex part of it. And the Germans weren't particularly unhappy about that as it played very well for them internationally.

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by b0rsuk on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @12:50PM (#16267276)
The Nazis were delighted to ally with Poland for that. They had more foresight and understood this opportunistic move would greatly damage Poland's diplomatic relations with its allies. And it did. I was one of main reasons why Allies dragged their feet to help Poland.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by dvfjsdhgfv on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @02:48AM (#16272231)
This is another point rarely mentioned in Polish schools when teaching about the origins of WWII.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by b0rsuk on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @06:06AM (#16273002)
I like to say that Poland has two official religions:

  * Catholicism
  * History of Poland
As a Pole, I'm dismayed that history is taught as something to treasure, not something to contemplate, discuss and take insight from. History is just not treated as something to learn from. Criticism of Polish history is widely considered offensive. The standard tactic for handling ugly actions performed by Poles is denial. Just don't acknowledge them. If that's not possible, play them down.

This is the direction recent act about "Polish death camps" is heading in. It will outlaw saying Poles were originators of any WW2 war crimes. This is ridiculous. Yes, several million of Poles were killed in WW2. But there are black sheep in any society, and certainly there are in an oppressed one. When you harm a group of people, some of them will invariably hit back. How often do you hear that widely admired Józef Piłsudski was a terrorist and a train robber in his early years ? That Polish resistance conducted assassinations and bombings, not just on soldiers but also on civilians they determined to be collaborators ? Kazimierz Wielki (Casimir the Great), praised for development of Poland under his rule, was a cynical womanizer.

Even a single person can be both good and bad. By whitewashing Polish history, Poland shoots itself in the foot. You shouldn't expect to get correct output if you provide incomplete input. Poland has aspirations to be a regional power and to form an alliance of countries under its leadership. It's not going to happen as long as Poles refuse to remember their wrongdoings towards other nations and groups. Poles will just continue to wonder why most neighboring nations don't like them. You need to remember your mistakes to avoid them in the future and/or to apologize for them, if only in a symbolic manner. Look at what Germany is doing. Yes, Germans supported terrible genocide under Hitler, but they're now doing a lot to prevent that from happening in the future. And Germany is doing really well as far as diplomacy goes.

The eye-opening moment for me was when I was preparing for final exams. We had extra history lessons, and our teacher would force us to think. She would tell us what happened, and asked us why did king X or pope Y do that. Or she would divide us into two groups, like Spartans and Athenians, give us source text and ask to prepare a speech arguing our city-state is better (contemporary Greeks considered Sparta to be a realized utopia).

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by dvfjsdhgfv on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @06:39AM (#16273121)
I very much agree with you. However, as for the very phrase "Polish death camps", I completely agree with Poles. There were many anti-semites before and during the war, and also some collaborators, but they had nothing to do with the Holocaust. Moreover, some pre-war antisemites were the first to help Jews (Kossak-Szczucka), calling it "an obligation to their conscience". There is a certain narrative that blends Polish antisemitism with the Holocaust. Of course there were some sick individuals but as a whole the Polish society did not collaborate with Germans in killing Jews - on the opposite, they're the most represented nation among the Righteous Among the Nations, and the word "szmalcownik" is synonymous with the lowest kind of scum.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by b0rsuk on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @09:10AM (#16273918)
The "polish death camps" laws are intentionally bundled with the more controversial ones that take more time to understand. This makes it easy to craft strawman headlines.

As for the word like "szmalcownik", throw it around enough times and it will lose its power. For example, in Ukraine both sides of conflict call each other "fascist". In Poland, both sides of political conflict call each other "communists" - but very few actually back up their claims.

My favourite: "targowica", used by right-wingers to accuse political adversaries of treason. However, members of Targowica Confederation:

  * had a conservative point of view,
  * were hostile to western Europe,
  * criticized contemporary Polish constitution,
  * had a strong Church backing, including archbishops and Pope,
  * called themselves devout patriots.
Sounds very much like the current Polish right-winged scene.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by ufmace on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @01:50PM (#16267835)
This kind of vague ad-hominem attack does not belong here. If you have a problem with GP's "insinuation", please explain what you think is wrong using factual, logical arguments. Claiming that it is "grotesque" tells us a lot more about you than about the argument here.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by _m4r on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @10:16AM (#16265905)
> The Red Army was indeed a savior. It is thanks to those masses of poor soldiers

Regarding that point, when Soviets were "freeing" Poland after Hitler's fall, it was really common for them to raid houses of polish civilians. They didn't only steal and kill, but also rape women, children, infants alike (even impale them on sticks). I'm living on territories close to the one of extermination camps and soviets really brought us more harm than nazis durning WW2.

Red army was created mostly from really uneducated villagers that lived in conditions similar to those in middle ages.

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by olavk on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @10:47AM (#16266186)
> soviets really brought us more harm than nazis durning WW2

I presume you are not counting the three million Polish Jews who were murdered by the nazis?

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by _m4r on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:30AM (#16266580)
This is very wide topic and I would like to not discuss it over Internet because I've had plenty of similar discussions with people I've met, and it would really require us to write essays :|

Soviets killed about six million of polish people (until 1956). Not to mention harm that was done to the polish culture, dignity, economy, science for the 45 years.

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by dvfjsdhgfv on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @02:52AM (#16272250)
I think you're confusing Rusians with Germans. The most radical calculations mention 20 million as the collective number of people killed under the Stalinist rule, mainly Russians. Polish deaths were at most half million:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_repressions_of_Polish_c...

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by olavk on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:57AM (#16266842)
> I would like to not discuss it over Internet because

So you would like to make your statements, but not to have them challenged?

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by xeeeeeeeeeeenu on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @01:44PM (#16267777)
> Soviets killed about six million of polish people (until 1956).

[citation needed]

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by _m4r on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @12:03PM (#16266890)
> So you would like to make your statements, but not to have them challenged?

Oh dear, I didn't even point single statement yet.

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by jacquesm on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:07AM (#16266347)
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by jacobush on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @05:39PM (#16269754)
Those people are not part of "us", you see.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by bobthechef on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:23AM (#16266518)
Or the 3 million Polish gentiles that were also killed? Remember that Poland lost 6 million citizens.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by perl4ever on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:16AM (#16265422)
I recently learned something interesting - the gas van was apparently invented in the Soviet Union in the late 30s, shortly before the Nazis started using similar execution methods.

Google Translate says "...he was following the instructions of the NKVD Ministry of Defense and that without them it would be impossible to perform so much the number of executions to which the arrested were sentenced by three threes at a time"

See: https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1265324

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by def_true_false on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:43AM (#16265627)
> The Red Army was indeed a savior.

Many who ended up in the soviet sphere of influence would beg to differ.

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by simonh on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @10:47AM (#16266177)
Oh come on, that post was very clearly made knowingly within that context.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by rbanffy on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:16AM (#16266442)
It's not like there were better alternatives at the time.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by bobthechef on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:45AM (#16266738)
That's fallacious thinking. Even if we assumes that nothing could be done to stop the Soviets (and that is debatable: some have argued that the US was fully capable of pushing back against Soviet domination in the eastern Bloc, but instead caved in to Soviet demands), the result was a nasty occupation by the Soviets. "No alternative" does not mean it wasn't objectively bad. We're not talking about running out of your favorite ice cream topping here and having to compromise for your second favorite topping.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by rbanffy on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @12:03PM (#16266885)
Would the Allies stand a chance if the Soviets didn't help? Would the Allies stand a chance if the Soviets allied with the Axis?
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by lostlogin on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @04:34PM (#16269260)
Yes and then no (or not without US help).

The British empire outproduced, manufactured, mined etc the Germans for basically the entire war. The question is more about why it took so long for the allies to get the upper hand.

The idea of ‘the plucky underdog’ is a myth, Britain was very much a superpower with a massive, resource rich empire behind it.

https://www.amazon.de/Britains-War-Machine-Weapons-Resources...

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by tszymczyszyn on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:44AM (#16265629)
It is true that Russians helped in ending WWII but as others pointed they were also one of the initial aggressors and allies of the Reich. If not for that the war might as well end faster.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by vkou on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @05:47PM (#16269809)
The war would have ended even faster had Britain and France not let Chechoslovakia get partitioned. They proved themselves completely unreliable, and unsurprisingly, after a failed attempt to turn West, Stalin signed a deal with the devil.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was not signed without context. The USSR sought out, and was rejected from an alliance with Britain and France.

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by lostlogin on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @04:45PM (#16269345)
How? The invasion of Russia lead to the meat grinder that destroyed Germany. How would the allies have turned Germany without the Russians?
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by quantumofmalice on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @10:04AM (#16265808)
If you can stomach it, you can read this:

EDIT: removed link due to questions about author's truthfulness

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by ivanech on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:27AM (#16266545)
The author of this book should be treated with extreme skepticism. His stated goal is to "free this world we call home from the Jewish slavery it now finds itself in for these past hundred years" by writing about the "real Holocaust" [i]. He writes about "racial reality" and "Jewish masters who want to flood Sweden with Third World trash" [ii]. His agenda is Nazi apologism and bald-faced antisemitism.

[i] https://chechar.wordpress.com/2015/05/01/the-hellstorm-proje...

[ii] http://thomasgoodrich.com/

Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by quantumofmalice on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:34AM (#16266625)
Yeesh, I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for the info, I removed the link.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by ivanech on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:48AM (#16266765)
No problem! It looks like the places that sell the book do their damnedest to make the author look like any other historian.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by sofal on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @11:37AM (#16266649)
Yikes, that link sent me down a rabbit hole of white nationalism and Holocaust denial. No thanks.
Re:A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012) by wpowiertowski on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:05AM (#16265333)
Being Polish makes me very proud of the bravery of Witold Pilecki at the same time Russian army did some horrible things during the „saving” of eastern Europe. However if you look at the numbers they also paid the ultimate price in number of casualties: https://vimeo.com/128373915