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Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by seawlf on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:01PM (#16249046)
It's frustrating that the author takes what is a reasonable field for humans to research and conflates it with some kind of sexist drive for domination. Personally I feel like this sort of hogwash (the author even stops short of saying "as a mother") undermines the credibility of the NYT.
Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by gremlinsinc on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:11PM (#16249096)
I agree. I support women and equality as a left-leaning progressive, but as a techy and someone who wants to see light-speed travel and our first encounter with alien life-- the only way for that to happen is life extension, heck even as an avatar in a computer would be better than nothing.

This article drew me in because I'm obsessed with anti-aging tech, but to take something that isn't all evil, and twist it is horrible. I think the biggest issue is income inequality personally, --when the rich DO figure out immortality, it may only be accessible to the billionaire class at which point -- they're essentially giving everyone else a death sentence.

Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by yazaddaruvala on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:59PM (#16249292)
This won’t happen.

1. Pharmaceutical companies want people to take it.

2. Insurance companies would want humans to take it.

3. Once a drug is invented, if it is kept hidden or secret, the people who administer the drug would want it for their families. There would be whistle blowers, there would be leaks.

As soon as it is leaked labs in China or India or anywhere would reproduce it and longevity tourism would ensue.

Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by mulmen on Saturday January 27, 2018 @09:30PM (#16249412)
Ok but what if it's just really expensive?

You know, like healthcare, or trips to the moon.

People with a lot of money get access to things before people without a lot of money.

Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by yazaddaruvala on Sunday January 28, 2018 @12:53AM (#16250040)
Like micro processors, the marginal cost of manufacturing a drug is minimal. The R&D is the expensive bit.

Even gene therapy, is primarily bounded by R&D and then delivery may or may not be expensive, I don’t know.

Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by jacknews on Sunday January 28, 2018 @02:45AM (#16250315)
Completely agree, what does anti-aging research have to do with sexual harassment and gender equality? The article seems like a feminist excuse to vent about female victimhood.

It would much more interesting if the focus was on the societal/inequality angle that it's billionaires (who, yes, are mostly men) who are seeking to extend their dominance by living longer.

Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by dang on Monday January 29, 2018 @05:05PM (#16261057)
> feminist excuse to vent about female victimhood

Please don't post ideological flamebait to HN. The GP comment managed to stay on the ok side of the line. Your comment did not.

Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by mindcrime on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:09PM (#16249082)
Man, this "article" is the worst sort of garbage. It's nothing but a thin veneer over yet another "men are evil" diatribe. This tripe doesn't even rise to the level of being good yellow journalism.
Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by matte_black on Saturday January 27, 2018 @11:45PM (#16249860)
It’s New York Times what do you expect?

Fortunately reading articles isn’t necessary for a good discussion on Hackernews.

Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by firasd on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:04PM (#16249059)
This piece is like a sentiment more than a real inquiry. The argument is based on avoiding any particulars. The fact is that life extension is not just a way for Peter Thiel to walk the earth forever; it is a set of medical interventions. If you're not against penicillin or bypass surgeries, what particular life extension techniques are you against?
Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by tremendulo on Saturday January 27, 2018 @07:51PM (#16249010)
I'm not a body, I'm a mind running on a body!

Food for thought is that life extension treatments once developed will ultimately be cheaper and safer than hospital care. So they'll be compulsory, in effect. Or rather everyone will continually face the question: more extension, or voluntary euthanasia? No more waiting around to die. Purpose, metaphysics, mental health all brought into sharp focus.

Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by matte_black on Saturday January 27, 2018 @07:54PM (#16249020)
You actually aren’t a mind. You are what is observing the mind.
Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by tremendulo on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:07PM (#16249076)
Not relevant to life extension, but I think what you're saying amounts to the fact that the mind is more complex than most minds assume. (Perhaps including than you assume. For doesn't it require a mind to observe things, even itself?)
Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by dqpb on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:05PM (#16249062)
I feel like a mind can observe itself as long as there is some feedback control...
Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by palimpsests on Saturday January 27, 2018 @10:47PM (#16249687)
You are not your thoughts
Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by dqpb on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:10PM (#16249089)
Some billionaires, already invincible in every other way, have decided that they also deserve not to die.

I think a simple poll would find that practically no one feels they deserve to die.

Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by ternaryoperator on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:24PM (#16249147)
I know old people who are ready to die and in that sense feel that they've earned it, insofar as they've put in a good life, have struggled through old age, and would like to get to the end of it all. Not suicidal, but ready to move on to whatever is next.

I agree this is not what the author intends by the term, but your comment "no one feels they deserve to die" is too absolutist, at least in my experience.

Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by dragonwriter on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:12PM (#16249099)
There's a difference between thinking you deserve not to die and merely not thinking you deserve to die.
Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by gremlinsinc on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:16PM (#16249125)
My worry is if it is discovered it might be kept secret and only available to the uber-rich.
Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by UseStrict on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:30PM (#16249171)
What utter garbage, twisting the desire for longer lives into some sort of sexist oppression? Sure these billionaires can afford to fund this research, but if longer and healthier lives was possible, would you really want to die?
Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by phjesusthatguy3 on Saturday January 27, 2018 @07:52PM (#16249016)
Zero mentions of Ray Kurzweil in this story.
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Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by ehnto on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:17PM (#16249130)
We can work on more than one problem at once, and the people working on this problem might not be the best for the other problems.

You wouldn't ask your electrician to put his tools down until the mechanic was finished working on your car.

The rest of your statement is absurd.

Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by hnaccy on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:30PM (#16249174)
I doubt there are many who are specialized they can only work on life extension research and not other areas of science or medicine.

I think a more apt analogy would be asking a Rolls Royce mechanic to stop and come work on fixing the public's broken down busses.

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Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by hnaccy on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:28PM (#16249163)
Improved dental care or malaria treatment would have few if any downsides.

Immortality limited to the powerful few could have huge downsides, at least now we can count on them dying eventually.

Maintenance of consolidated power through the generations is not an easy problem to solve and we shouldn't be making it any easier until our society is more equitable.

Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by cocktailpeanuts on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:44PM (#16249230)
A lot of useful technologies started out as something only for the rich and powerful, and as more people started using them it created economies of scale, and eventually brought down the cost, making it affordable to the masses.

I'm not even making this up. This is a widely accepted phenomenon and there are even many books on this.

Uber was a limo service for rich people in the beginning, but now it's grown into a whole industry which is beneficial to people who previously couldn't easily move around, such as the disabled and the elders. If everyone acted like smug pseudo intellects and tried to ostracize Uber saying "it's for some rich bros", the world wouldn't be where it is.

It is arrogant to believe that one can predict what will exactly happen because of just one piece of technology. Most of the human history is full of things that nobody saw coming.

Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by hnaccy on Sunday January 28, 2018 @12:20AM (#16249963)
>It is arrogant to believe that one can predict what will exactly happen because of just one piece of technology.

I agree which is why I wouldn't count on immortality being shared with the unwashed masses just because a ride sharing app was.

I don't see how questioning the benefit of having enormously powerful people of dubious morals become immortal makes one a pseudo-intellectual or smug. I suppose I forgot to adhere to the Valley orthodoxy that technological advancement will always improve the lives of all.

Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by cocktailpeanuts on Sunday January 28, 2018 @10:56AM (#16251748)
I'm calling it smug because all this argument is doing is making hypothetical dystopian sci-fi statements with no base in reality. If you actually take a look at the reality, you quickly realize it's nearly impossible to find these cases unless you're watching a sci-fi movie.

Any technology that has potential to do good for the humanity will eventually be shared with the masses if it exists. For example, RSA and Diffie-Hellman algorithm--arguably two of the most important technological inventions of the 20th century--were originally invented by government secret agencies but kept from the public for many years before being "rediscovered" by some other people later and made available to the public. And this was even before the wide-spread of the Internet.

It's becoming increasingly difficult to keep things from the public. Unix was kept away from the public by being super expensive, and Linux came along to made it completely free. Wikileaks came along and made classified information no longer classified, giving more power to the public. Drug companies which charge tons of money to people (see martin shkreli) get slammed and hated in public, giving incentive to upstarts that try to be more transparent and ethical as a marketing strategy. The only place where information is kept from the public is dystopian sci-fi films.

Unless you truly think this hypothetical immortality technology can be kept completely private from the public FOREVER, what you're basically saying is "Only the rich will have access to the technology initially, and that's not fair, so we should ban the technology."

Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by brucephillips on Sunday January 28, 2018 @12:25AM (#16249983)
Can you name any consumer technology in history that wasn't ultimately available to the masses?
Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by macawfish on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:01PM (#16249050)
I believe that death is a part of life.

edit: guess I touched a nerve, but please have some respect. I wasn't being facetious, just so you know. I lost a newborn brother at age 5 and my father at age 11, so I've experienced death. I've grieved deeply. Yes there's tragedy in death. I can't and won't invalidate that. But there is so much more to death than tragedy. And more often than not, the tragedy is rooted in unfulfilled lives, not in death itself. I don't see how longer lifespans are going to magically cure the bigger problem of unfulfilling life habits being normalized, even enforced. There are too many people on this planet who haven't made peace with death, and who externalize their fear onto others. I believe this is the author's point. You downvote me without asking any questions? Call the author a luddite? I imagine you are someone who hasn't made peace with death and the forces of evolution. I urge you to face it from a fresh angle, to have courage and take a good look, it's not a monster unless you make it be.

And honestly, people who treated my father's death like a monster kinda traumatized me. They encouraged me to idolize my father in a way that distracted me from his wonderful, raw humanity, both in living and dying.

P.S. If anyone open minded wants an interesting perspective on death, check out the book "Living Your Dying" by Stanley Keleman.

Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by pdx on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:09PM (#16249083)
Crying over the loss of 4 of your 8 children used to be a part of life a century ago. We changed that, and can change what it means to age as well, if luddites like the author of this article can be overcome.
Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by brucephillips on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:33PM (#16249182)
This argument could just as well be made against life saving medicines like antibiotics. Death is a part of life. Let's not fight it.
Re:The Men Who Want to Live Forever by brucephillips on Saturday January 27, 2018 @08:04PM (#16249061)
This adds nothing to the discussion.