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Re:iPhone X Teardown by gehsty on Friday November 03, 2017 @03:59PM (#15621826)
Just smaller and faster with new technology, never before seen delivered at this size, capability or scale.

What does Apple have to do to impress people? Do all this then give the phones away for free?

Re:iPhone X Teardown by chaostheory on Friday November 03, 2017 @04:25PM (#15621979)
Louis CK - everything is amazing... but no one is happy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUBtKNzoKZ

Re:iPhone X Teardown by hinkley on Friday November 03, 2017 @04:36PM (#15622038)
Easily one of his best bits and he did it on a talk show.
Re:iPhone X Teardown by chaostheory on Friday November 03, 2017 @05:48PM (#15622406)
It helped spawn an app too: https://theymadethat.com
Re:iPhone X Teardown by hinkley on Friday November 03, 2017 @04:35PM (#15622031)
People used to bitch about why people thought the MacBook was so cool when it was “only” 5mm thinner than anything else on the market.

The low end doesn’t understand why people pay so much more for fit and finish.

Except automobiles. Everyone seems to accept and even approve of the high end for cars.

Re:iPhone X Teardown by TylerE on Friday November 03, 2017 @04:44PM (#15622085)
Fit and finish on many "high end" cars is actually pretty abysmal. Especially basically anything Italian.
Re:iPhone X Teardown by tigershark on Friday November 03, 2017 @04:55PM (#15622145)
Oh..I didn't know that your Ferrari had a shit finish, you must have been quite unlucky...
Re:iPhone X Teardown by serf on Friday November 03, 2017 @05:10PM (#15622229)
I can personally attest to the poor quality of Lamborghini paint and coating from 98 til 2011.

The dashes split apart, all the clear coat on the carbon elements falls off, the paint oxidizes.

Park a 2003 Murcielago next to a 98 Lexus or Toyota (of any kind). You'll be real surprised which one weathered better.

Anyway, I digress, but I can agree with the point that 'high end car' is a lot different than 'high quality car' or 'long lasting car'.

Re:iPhone X Teardown by tigershark on Friday November 03, 2017 @06:04PM (#15622486)
So do you mean as soon as it was sold in 1998 to Audi, a German group, right? And what it has to do with the "abysmal" finish of Italian high end car?
Re:iPhone X Teardown by lovich on Friday November 03, 2017 @07:05PM (#15622817)
Well shit, this thread didn't prepare me for this big a goalpost move

Edit: That was overly sarcastic but it went from talking about italian cars, to Ferrari specifically, to implying that the Italian brand is fine as long as it has Italian owners. Discussions are pointless if everyone's going to be arguing different points

Re:iPhone X Teardown by tigershark on Friday November 03, 2017 @07:54PM (#15623047)
I am sorry, but I think you didn't follow properly the discussion. The first quote I answered was exactly: "Fit and finish on many "high end" cars is actually pretty abysmal. Especially basically anything Italian." So, as everyone can see, the discussion was specifically around high end Italian cars, unless I'm missing some tricky and specific nuance of the English language in this context. In that case please enlighten me instead of writing sarcastic comments, it will be appreciated much more. Ferrari, if I'm not mistaken, is the archetype of high end Italian cars. And then when someone starts bubbling about the abysmal quality of 1998 Lamborghini I duly make it clear that they were not Italian for a long time at that point and they have been just acquired by a German automaker. I honestly can't see any contradiction in this very linear reasoning. Please let me know what I'm missing.
Re:iPhone X Teardown by lovich on Friday November 03, 2017 @08:03PM (#15623079)
The point I found missing was why ferarri was brought up if you could point to 1998 as the time is was no longer high end for a legitimate reason, the foreign ownership. Someone could have conceived a child after that point in time and the child would be able to vote by now, why use it as an example?

It seemed like either you knew what the other poster meant by Italian high end cars, the Ferrari brand, and chose to defend it despite knowing that it was bad for other reasons. Or you thought he was discussing Italian owned Italian brands when it turns out some famous Italian brands are not Italian owned.

Either way that looks like you two were using different definitions for the same words to my third party view

Re:iPhone X Teardown by tigershark on Saturday November 04, 2017 @01:37AM (#15623951)
Ehm.. Are you aware that Lamborghini and Ferrari are two completely different car brands right? Ferrari is Italian, Lamborghini was Italian and was sold to different parties since the 80's or something like that. From 1998 Lamborghini is German. In my original comment I said that I would be very surprised to find a Ferrari with a shit finish, and another user said that Lamborghini from 1998 to 2011 had abysmal paint quality. So I don't see any contradiction in my comments.
Re:iPhone X Teardown by lovich on Saturday November 04, 2017 @02:28AM (#15624051)
I just re-read the thread, completely missed that 'serf replied with Lamborghini when you spoke about Ferrari. My apologies for the snark, it was uncalled for
Re:iPhone X Teardown by tboughen on Friday November 03, 2017 @07:01PM (#15622792)
Land Rovers are designed, manufactured and (around the corner from me in Herefordshire) tested in the UK. Jaguar Land Rover is owned by Tata. Does that make them Indian cars?
Re:iPhone X Teardown by tigershark on Friday November 03, 2017 @07:36PM (#15622976)
Quality apparently is on par with other tata models, so from my humble point of view I'd say yes.
Re:iPhone X Teardown by fgonzag on Saturday November 04, 2017 @03:46AM (#15624175)
I've driven ferraris in las vegas racetracks. Affordable experience. The fit and finish was far below any luxury vehicle by far. The R8 was miles ahead in comfort and luxury details, but then those cars are not not designed as a luxury vehicle.
Re:iPhone X Teardown by cjsuk on Friday November 03, 2017 @05:07PM (#15622212)
My Fiat is awful! ;)
Re:iPhone X Teardown by noncoml on Friday November 03, 2017 @04:43PM (#15622071)
Why do you get so defensive? What in “is no more than just another faster, smaller, and costlier“ is not accurate?
Re:iPhone X Teardown by gehsty on Saturday November 04, 2017 @02:46AM (#15624081)
It’s not accurate because there is more, the front facing sensor array to make faceid possible is completely new, the OLED display is completely new.
Re:iPhone X Teardown by noncoml on Saturday November 04, 2017 @10:34PM (#15627901)
OLED is something a lot of high end phones had for quite some time now.

As for FaceID, I am not convinced yet. I would be more impressed with an under the screen fingerprint sensor.

But I guess I will try it in a couple of weeks, when I get mine, and form a better opinion.

IMHO component costs are not the reason Apple increased the price; they increased it because they could.

Re:iPhone X Teardown by gehsty on Sunday November 05, 2017 @08:57AM (#15629373)
Not all OLEDs are made equal...

You haven’t used faceid yet are not convinced... Maybe wait until you’ve used it? I am using it right now, and so far there are very few times I’ve missed touchid, and I’ve been reminded of all the times that Touch ID would fail, like getting out of the shower etc...

I don’t understand the longing for an underscreen finger print scanner, does the computer in Star Trek require thumb print? Does the UI in minority report? If you imagine futuristic computer interfaces the computers just know who is using them, this is one of the first steps along that road...

As to the price, Apple price there phones where they want to price them to make sure they have high profit margins. I’m not sure why people complain about this. If they don’t do this they don’t make as much money. I do believe this phone costs significantly more to make than others, and the price fairly reflects that, though it is only £200 premium over the 8+...

How do you think Apple should price there products? A lower overall cost?

Re:iPhone X Teardown by noncoml on Thursday November 09, 2017 @10:28PM (#15667708)
Got it today. I have to say, faceid is pretty cool. The screen however is disappointment; the hue/color temperature changes significantly to be distracting with tiny changes to viewing angle.
Re:iPhone X Teardown by vilmosi on Friday November 03, 2017 @05:21PM (#15622277)
>>> Just smaller and faster with new technology, never before seen delivered at this size, capability or scale.

That was happening every year and marginal at best.

Re:iPhone X Teardown by gehsty on Saturday November 04, 2017 @02:58AM (#15624092)
FaceID sensor array is literally as I describe, not a year over year improvement.

The Phone feels like it is from the future.