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Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by taf2 on Thursday August 31, 2017 @07:55PM (#15145038)
I've had a model s for 3 years now and spent a total of 2 hours at a service center for 1 maintenance appointment. Compare that to previous bmw or range rover for which I owned for around the same time and would have been at a service center for at least 2 or 3 times yearly - sometimes needing a temporary car for longer service visits... I'm sure this is not everyone's experience... but I'll never even consider any other car than a tesla ever.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by bane on Thursday August 31, 2017 @11:44PM (#15145964)
> Compare that to previous bmw or range rover

Congratulations you've managed to buy two of the most unreliable brands before buying your Tesla. Both are generally known as tremendously unreliable cars (with the exception of BMW 3-series). The Range Rover in particular being known as one of those "buy two of them, one for the shop one for the garage" brands. BMW owners hide behind pre-purchased repairs being covered for 5 years via soon to be well worn warranty repairs.

If you care at all about reliability here's the rules:

- Do you want mechanical problems? Buy American, French or British/Indian brands

- Do you want Electrical problems? Buy German or Northern European brands

- Do you want none of the above? Buy consumer Japanese brands and avoid the Luxury brands except for Lexus. Korean cars are a close second.

- Do you want all of the above? buy a Jeep or an Italian car.

If only there was some place potential buyers could search for car reliability information.

Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by tsomctl on Friday September 01, 2017 @12:03AM (#15146036)
I largely agree with you, although you are condescending. American cars are pretty reliable these days (albeit not as reliable as Toyota at their best). Having wrenched on both, Ford and Chevy are excellent at making good cars as cheap as possible (or cheap cars as good as possible). Their engineering is just good enough for the vehicle to work, with no effort to go above and beyond.

And to tigershark, Ferrari and Lamborghini are both notoriously unreliable. It's just the price you pay to have good performance. If you make things more reliable, it tends to mean more metal and bigger bearings, which makes it heavier and reduces handling.

Refences: http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer http://www.dashboard-light.com/reports/Mid-size.html

Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by bane on Friday September 01, 2017 @12:33AM (#15146139)
IMHO there's no excuse to buy an unreliable car these days and complain about it not being reliable. We're literally drowning in information and reliability information is perhaps 5-30 seconds away from any human on the planet. Anybody who buys an unreliable car in the modern age either did it knowing the car was unreliable but wanted something else from it (usually some kind of image) or is trying to be ignorant.

One of my friends just bought a car with an incredibly well known mechanical issue and got to complaining about it. When asked if he bothered to look up the reliability of that make/model he answered "no".

He has a smart phone, knows how to use Google and works in I.T. Zero excuses, zero sympathy. After pressing, turns out he liked it because it was red and a hatchback.

Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by gambiting on Friday September 01, 2017 @02:23AM (#15146556)
When I bought mine the problem was that there is no reliability data for that specific model(not surprising,considering that in 3 years it's been available only about 1000 have been sold in this country) so I had to go with the general reliability rating of the brand, but that's telling me very little. Sometimes you just have to take the plunge and hope for the best, very happy with the purchase so far.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by bane on Friday September 01, 2017 @08:17AM (#15147704)
Sure, reliability is not the only reason people buy cars. If you're after something specific, you're probably going to buy it even if you have to tape the fenders on to get it off the dealer's lot.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by Gravityloss on Friday September 01, 2017 @08:45AM (#15147885)
Why would you not use reliability data from other countries?
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by gambiting on Friday September 01, 2017 @09:13AM (#15148061)
Mostly because I wasn't able to find any. The best I could do was sign up to the forum for enthusiasts and ask, but I only got a few replies saying "yeah I had it for 2-3 years and it's fine, no problems so far" - that's not exactly statistically significant in any way. They all might develop a catastrophic failure after 3 years, but there's no way to know that.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by bitexploder on Friday September 01, 2017 @01:26AM (#15146342)
Ford and Chevy both build limited run, very reliable 600ish HP cars. It's just that the exotic builders don't produce at scale and can brute Force problems due to their margins.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by opencl on Friday September 01, 2017 @08:00AM (#15147637)
Ford is mostly okay these days, other than two of their most popular cars made in the past 5 years (2011-2016 Focus/Fiesta) having such horrible reliability issues that they're now paying out huge sums of money to a class action settlement. To be fair this was the result of their attempt to "innovate" by making a very cheap dual clutch transmission and seems to be a one-off (extremely expensive) design flaw. These transmissions last ~20K miles.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a10316276/what-you-n...

Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by snovv_crash on Friday September 01, 2017 @03:36AM (#15146807)
You don't need a Ferrari or Lamborghini to get an unreliable Italian car. You could also get a Fiat or Alpha Romeo.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by biktor_gj on Friday September 01, 2017 @12:23AM (#15146100)
For the record, my Toyota, being one year old, has been 3 times already for repairs, due to the Diesel Particle Filter. 25K Euro spent on the car, and 300€ in maintenance and repairs on the first year, with 21000 Km driven.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by gambiting on Friday September 01, 2017 @02:25AM (#15146561)
What sort of shitty dfp filter is Toyota using? I've had a Nissan Qashqai with the 1.6 diesel, used it for 3 years pretty much only in the city, and haven't had a single problem with the DPF filter, absolutely none.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by mvidal01 on Friday September 01, 2017 @10:55AM (#15148806)
What about Consumer Reports?
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by tigershark on Thursday August 31, 2017 @11:50PM (#15145991)
So I guess that a Ferrari is totally unreliable looking at your post..
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by jdavis703 on Thursday August 31, 2017 @11:24PM (#15145879)
I'm shocked by that. I had a Honda Fit for five years with about 50,000 miles, besides smog tests and getting new tires I never had to take it to a shop. I would expect more up-market brands to have even better reliability. Is this common that cheaper cars have better maintenance, or was I lucky?
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by aggie on Thursday August 31, 2017 @11:52PM (#15145998)
If you have the money to buy a luxury car, you probably aren't scrutinizing cost of ownership as much as someone buying an economy model. Plus the dealers want the extended business and high end cars are more likely to be serviced at a dealership. Thus, high end manufacturers do not focus on reliability. Another contributing factor is cutting edge features. The motorized lift gate won't go bad in your economy car because it doesn't have one.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by teej on Thursday August 31, 2017 @11:26PM (#15145892)
Japanese cars are famously reliable. German cars are not. A Toyota Corolla is miles ahead of a Mercedes S Class.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by TomMarius on Friday September 01, 2017 @06:21AM (#15147302)
This is shocking to me. Do you have any insight? Mercedeses newer than 2010 are considered incredibly reliable here in Europe. They had a rough decade before that, but since the introduction of W212 E-Klasse, they're back on track. Is that different for USA models?
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by opencl on Friday September 01, 2017 @08:11AM (#15147675)
How can you call any car newer than 2010 "incredibly reliable"? There's not nearly enough data on it. I would certainly expect a car less than 10 years old to be reliable, incredibly reliable to me implies at least 20 years of reliable operation. I own 2 Japanese cars that are both over 20 years old and have over 250K miles/400K km each, one of which is a Corolla, and they still run fine.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by TomMarius on Friday September 01, 2017 @08:53AM (#15147934)
I'm of course talking about high-mileage applications. These newer Mercedeses (specifically W212 E-Klasse) are popular among taxi drivers and often have more than 800000 km on them - and still going strong. I'm going to buy this car for this exact reason - because taxi drivers are so happy with it.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by DrScump on Friday September 01, 2017 @04:11AM (#15146927)
How many Japanese vehicles were compromised (and had resulting loss of use) by the Takata airbag debacle?
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by wallace_f on Friday September 01, 2017 @02:28AM (#15146572)
While other answers have touched on some of the reasons for this, another one I always assumed is that the econ-o-box car will sell in far greater volume than the luxury car, meaning costs of R&D can be spread over more cars.

I would guess a Honda Civic actually has way more $ in R&D spent on developing it than a new Ferrari, or even a relatively common luxury like a Porsche. Someone correct me if that's wrong.

Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by bane on Thursday August 31, 2017 @11:46PM (#15145975)
Yes. Upmarket brands are known to be plagued with various electrical and "feature" problems that don't bother other cars - the lone exception appears to be Lexus, which tends to rate about as high as Toyotas.

But Acuras tend to be less reliable than Hondas

Infinities tend to be less reliable than Nissans

and so on.

Basically, fewer moving parts means better reliability in general. In addition, lower level cars are much cheaper to repair for various reasons.

Want a car that will run forever on the cheap? You're probably driving it.

Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by ehnto on Friday September 01, 2017 @12:25AM (#15146109)
I have had a 1996 R33 Skyline for 7 years, more than 100,000km and haven't had a single issue asside from a worn suspension boot. Given its age, that should be remarkable, but it is my second R33 and the first was just as uneventful maintenance wise. I am not particularly kind to them either.

The first one was rear ended by a Suzuki Vitara, which wrote off the car, in case anyone was curious why I have had two.