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Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by tsomctl on Friday September 01, 2017 @12:03AM (#15146036)
I largely agree with you, although you are condescending. American cars are pretty reliable these days (albeit not as reliable as Toyota at their best). Having wrenched on both, Ford and Chevy are excellent at making good cars as cheap as possible (or cheap cars as good as possible). Their engineering is just good enough for the vehicle to work, with no effort to go above and beyond.

And to tigershark, Ferrari and Lamborghini are both notoriously unreliable. It's just the price you pay to have good performance. If you make things more reliable, it tends to mean more metal and bigger bearings, which makes it heavier and reduces handling.

Refences: http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer http://www.dashboard-light.com/reports/Mid-size.html

Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by bane on Friday September 01, 2017 @12:33AM (#15146139)
IMHO there's no excuse to buy an unreliable car these days and complain about it not being reliable. We're literally drowning in information and reliability information is perhaps 5-30 seconds away from any human on the planet. Anybody who buys an unreliable car in the modern age either did it knowing the car was unreliable but wanted something else from it (usually some kind of image) or is trying to be ignorant.

One of my friends just bought a car with an incredibly well known mechanical issue and got to complaining about it. When asked if he bothered to look up the reliability of that make/model he answered "no".

He has a smart phone, knows how to use Google and works in I.T. Zero excuses, zero sympathy. After pressing, turns out he liked it because it was red and a hatchback.

Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by gambiting on Friday September 01, 2017 @02:23AM (#15146556)
When I bought mine the problem was that there is no reliability data for that specific model(not surprising,considering that in 3 years it's been available only about 1000 have been sold in this country) so I had to go with the general reliability rating of the brand, but that's telling me very little. Sometimes you just have to take the plunge and hope for the best, very happy with the purchase so far.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by bane on Friday September 01, 2017 @08:17AM (#15147704)
Sure, reliability is not the only reason people buy cars. If you're after something specific, you're probably going to buy it even if you have to tape the fenders on to get it off the dealer's lot.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by Gravityloss on Friday September 01, 2017 @08:45AM (#15147885)
Why would you not use reliability data from other countries?
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by gambiting on Friday September 01, 2017 @09:13AM (#15148061)
Mostly because I wasn't able to find any. The best I could do was sign up to the forum for enthusiasts and ask, but I only got a few replies saying "yeah I had it for 2-3 years and it's fine, no problems so far" - that's not exactly statistically significant in any way. They all might develop a catastrophic failure after 3 years, but there's no way to know that.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by bitexploder on Friday September 01, 2017 @01:26AM (#15146342)
Ford and Chevy both build limited run, very reliable 600ish HP cars. It's just that the exotic builders don't produce at scale and can brute Force problems due to their margins.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by opencl on Friday September 01, 2017 @08:00AM (#15147637)
Ford is mostly okay these days, other than two of their most popular cars made in the past 5 years (2011-2016 Focus/Fiesta) having such horrible reliability issues that they're now paying out huge sums of money to a class action settlement. To be fair this was the result of their attempt to "innovate" by making a very cheap dual clutch transmission and seems to be a one-off (extremely expensive) design flaw. These transmissions last ~20K miles.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a10316276/what-you-n...

Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by snovv_crash on Friday September 01, 2017 @03:36AM (#15146807)
You don't need a Ferrari or Lamborghini to get an unreliable Italian car. You could also get a Fiat or Alpha Romeo.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by biktor_gj on Friday September 01, 2017 @12:23AM (#15146100)
For the record, my Toyota, being one year old, has been 3 times already for repairs, due to the Diesel Particle Filter. 25K Euro spent on the car, and 300€ in maintenance and repairs on the first year, with 21000 Km driven.
Re:Tesla Model S Hits 300k Miles with less than $11k mainten... by gambiting on Friday September 01, 2017 @02:25AM (#15146561)
What sort of shitty dfp filter is Toyota using? I've had a Nissan Qashqai with the 1.6 diesel, used it for 3 years pretty much only in the city, and haven't had a single problem with the DPF filter, absolutely none.