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Re:MS Paint is here to stay by peterburkimsher on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:36AM (#14845342)
I think so. That also means that for shared or strictly managed computers, it won't be installed or installable.

No more screenshots on the hospital PC, then.

Re:MS Paint is here to stay by hougaard on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @02:41AM (#14845623)
Shift-WindowsKey+S is the new screen snipping tool. Built right into the OS.
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by gambiting on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @09:39AM (#14847605)
Except that it fails to capture screens larger than about 2000x1000, it just fails silently - you select your full 2K monitor and the tool just doesn't do anything. Printscreen can capture even multiple 4K monitor and paste all of them into Paint - the snipping tool fails to capture even two 2K monitors which is really annoying at my work.
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by thaumasiotes on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @03:04AM (#14845721)
Huh. I just tried it. A snipping interface came up and let me select a rectangle of the screen. Then, none of the following things happened:

- A message telling me where the picture went.

- The picture showing up on the desktop.

- The picture showing up in "Documents".

- The picture showing up in "Pictures".

But, I was able to recover the screenshot by... opening Paint, and pasting from the clipboard! That's not a solution that will be available on a machine without Paint.

Re:MS Paint is here to stay by lixquid on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @03:57AM (#14845963)
I'm sure you probably discovered this by now, but the image is kept in memory until it is "saved" via the Save menu.

The UX could probably do with some improvement showing that the image is not automatically saved to disk, like scrot or OSX's Image Capture shortcuts, though.

Re:MS Paint is here to stay by KC8ZKF on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @05:31AM (#14846365)
> "saved" via the Save menu.

Where is this menu?

Re:MS Paint is here to stay by poizan42 on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @07:48AM (#14846971)
Save menu? The snipping tool disappears as soon as release the mouse button, there is nothing else you can do with it.
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by zadjii on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:21PM (#14849748)
lixquid is talking about the old snipping tool, not the one attached to Win+Shift+S.

I agree that it's really unclear what happens when you use Win+Shift+S to grab the screen. No indication at all that the image is on the clipboard.

There needs to be a Win+Ctrl/Alt+Shift+S that automatically saves to the Screenshots directory or something.

Re:MS Paint is here to stay by jccalhoun on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @09:45AM (#14847651)
There is also the version of the snipping tool with a gui. you can hit the windows key and type snip to find it. I don't know if there is a quick keyboard shortcut to bring up that version. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13776/windows-use-s...
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by Schlaefer on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @03:52AM (#14845942)
> opening Paint, and pasting from the clipboard! That's not a solution that will be available on a machine without Paint.

You will have Paint 3D and the first three buttons you see after opening the app are "New", "Open" and "Paste" (with a clipboard icon(!)).

Re:MS Paint is here to stay by pluma on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @04:01AM (#14845994)
Somewhat off-topic, but I just realized (maybe because I'm a non-native speaker and barely ever use applications which have icons for "copy" and "paste") that "clipboard" in software and physical "clipboards" are two entirely unrelated concepts for me. So much so that I only just remembered that the paste icon represents a physical clipboard rather than simply some abstract brown rectangle with an abstract white rectangle on it.

EDIT: Maybe it doesn't help that in German Windows calls the clipboard the "Zwischenablage" (temporary storage) whereas the German word for "clipboard" would be "Klemmbrett" -- the German version actually seems to use a more abstract concept rather than the same direct metaphor as in English. Weird.

Re:MS Paint is here to stay by jcl on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @02:12PM (#14850329)
It's a conflation of two meanings of "clip": "to cut" or "to hold together". I'd always assumed that the software "clipboard" derived not from the common "board with a clip" but from a "board for clippings", as might have been used in a design firm in the days when cut, copy, and paste were done with an X-acto knife, a Xerox machine, and glue:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paste_up

I haven't been able to find evidence of this alternate meaning for "clipboard", though, as modern use has rendered it un-Googleable. The best I've been able to find is that its use in computing probably started somewhere between Xerox PARC and the Apple Lisa:

http://www.liquidinformation.org/onxeaplaprog.html

I find it fascinating, though, that this word has stuck, propagated essentially by word-of-mouth -- like the contents of the clipboard itself, the word is generally not shown in user interfaces. "Scrapbook", the name of the clipboard management utility in the original Macintosh OS, would have made a lot more sense semantically.

Re:MS Paint is here to stay by Schlaefer on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @05:12AM (#14846312)
Same situation here ("Zwischenablage"-country, was made familiar with the concept in the non-icon days, learned the shortcuts and never click icons). The icons were always somewhat confusing to me, I have to actively think what they mean if I want to use icon-only buttons.

I believe the now known icons were popularised esp. through MS Office. What I found on the net is that Susan Kare did the more obvious scissor cut-icon for the Mac earlier. Would be interesting to read where those icons originated.

Re:MS Paint is here to stay by thaumasiotes on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @07:42PM (#14852788)
As an English speaker, the windows clipboard and a physical clipboard are entirely unrelated concepts for me too, much like how "right" (the opposite of left) and "right" (a legal entitlement) are unrelated concepts.
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by Jaruzel on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @03:29AM (#14845830)
You can also open up MS Word (almost guaranteed to be installed on a locked down corporate Windows machine), and paste the image into a blank document. For bonus points you can then right click the pasted image, and select 'Save As PNG'.
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by rav on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @03:41AM (#14845894)
Why save as PNG when you can save directly to DOCX? /s
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by tonyedgecombe on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @03:37AM (#14845882)
Customers frequently send me screen shots pasted into a Word document, sigh ...
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by Sleeep on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @08:22AM (#14847156)
I frequently get screenshots pasted into PowerPoint "presentations". Couple times I even got a photo of the monitor taken with a cellphone camera.

I don't fault them for this in the least because they did what they knew how to do to accomplish the task and the task was accomplished effectively, I was able to see their screen.

Re:MS Paint is here to stay by jansho on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @03:46AM (#14845918)
Still a bit clunky. I'm also a fan of using Paint for simple screenshots. You can do it without thinking, and with just the keyboard!

1) Printscreen 2) control + v on paint 3) control + s and type in image name

Re:MS Paint is here to stay by sundvor on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @06:05AM (#14846501)
If you want those things why not use Snip? 90% of my use cases involve pasting a screenshot into an editor, though, so the no nonsense win+shift+s is perfect for this.
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by stronglikedan on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @02:35PM (#14850577)
Nothing happened. Is this only in the creator update? (I have deferred updates turned on, so I may not have it yet.)
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by landr0id on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:43AM (#14845372)
Snipping tool doesn't exist on hospital PCs?
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by Jaruzel on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:49AM (#14845404)
Centralised Group Policy Objects (GPOs) on the Windows Domain, can block any EXE that's on the machine, or a customised deployment image of Windows 10 can even be configured to not installed any of the built in applications. So yes, no snipping tool on a deployed installation of Windows 10 is a real scenario.

Also, GPOs can (and do) disable the Windows Store. So moving MSPaint to the Windows Store does not make as available as having it pre-installed.

Re:MS Paint is here to stay by praseodym on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:58AM (#14845443)
If a machine is blocking built-in applications, why would it have MSPaint available? Or is it an application that cannot be blocked, which would be a security vulnerability?
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by Jaruzel on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @02:18AM (#14845531)
I spent 10 years doing corporate desktop deployments of Windows. You'd be surprised at the crazy requests from the business regarding what they did and didn't want pre-installed.
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by mrkrabo on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:56AM (#14845433)
If no Snipping Tool because of GPO is a real scenario, no Paint because of GPO is a real scenario too
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by jmkni on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @02:03AM (#14845459)
Context menus close when you use the snipping tool.
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by ralish on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @02:42AM (#14845628)
Hence the Delay option.
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by jmkni on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @10:43AM (#14848059)
Had no idea this existed.

Still, there are times when you have a weird error you need to screenshot, and you know that if you move the mouse or hit anything other than the print screen button, it will go away.

Paint made this scenario very easy to deal with.

Re:MS Paint is here to stay by kyberias on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @07:37AM (#14846919)
Thanks. I've always struggled with this and only now realized that Delay-option in Snipping tool.
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by robmiller on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @01:52AM (#14845416)
Press PrtScn for desktop, Alt+PrtScn for active window
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by voltagex_ on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @02:36AM (#14845604)
Windows+PrintScrn now dumps a PNG to your Pictures folder.
Re:MS Paint is here to stay by kalleboo on Tuesday July 25, 2017 @02:19AM (#14845538)
At the same time they're removing Paint they're bundling Paint 3D which does the same and more.