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Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by victornomad on Sunday June 18, 2017 @07:06AM (#14580119)
F-droid is one of the main things that keeps me in the Android world. I hope it continues but I suspect one day Google will make it more difficult for them to survive.....

Android is becoming more and more Googlified and most apps come with google services. Even the simplest app tracks you in some way. I love F-droid because installing an app from there is like a proof that the app has some "ethics" and will respect you and your privacy.

I think Android has been like a Trojan horse for many of us. It came as an "open and free" platform that attracted many of us, developers and users. But now is reeeeally difficult to escape from the google realm.

We need more alternatives!

Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by nolok on Sunday June 18, 2017 @07:59AM (#14580291)
> I hope it continues but I suspect one day Google will make it more difficult for them to survive

Google has no reason nor interest to do that. There are several alternative stores out there, and moving to kill them would alienate several of their partners, as well as possibly open a legal case against them in some jurisdiction. On top of that, size wise, F-Droid doesn't even register for them.

Honestly, this feeling if you have it is more of a delusion of persecution than anything tangible.

> Android is becoming more and more Googlified and most apps come with google services.

That I agree, but sadly it's still one of the better timelines: google play services is an app that they can update to provide better support and services for app, and this was the solution they chose to fix the early days of "no manufacturer update their phone's OS, so new app can't rely on new features".

Is it perfect ? Nope. Is it great ? Nope. But when you have to compose in a world where manufacturer lock their phone so you can't update the OS unless they say so, it was kind of the natural path to move a many features as you could to a library like this.

> I love F-droid because installing an app from there is like a proof that the app has some "ethics" and will respect you and your privacy.

F-Droid is a "repository of free and open source" project, it has nothing to do with respecting user privacy or "having ethics". While there may be some correlation between the two, it's not a given by far.

The F-droid project itself makes a guarantee of not tracking you, and they say they try to check apps they deliver to ensure they don't have abuse of privacy built in, but they go out of their way to make it clear it's not guaranteed and that app may or may not have such abuse in their code.

> I think Android has been like a Trojan horse for many of us. It came as an "open and free" platform that attracted many of us, developers and users. But now is reeeeally difficult to escape from the google realm.

When has Android been more open than today exactly ? And I'm not saying that in a "android is becoming more and more open" way, I'm saying it has always been like this.

> We need more alternatives!

Agreed

Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by Drdrdrq on Sunday June 18, 2017 @02:43PM (#14582145)
> but sadly it's still one of the better timelines: google play services is an app that they can update to provide better support and services for app, and this was the solution they chose to fix the early days of "no manufacturer update their phone's OS, so new app can't rely on new features".

I agree that their approach to the problem of updates was the right one. But they went too far - they also closed a vital part of OS from their partners and from users. They could have open-sourced it, but they didn't. I know it makes sense from business POV (Samsung was becoming dangerous to them), but it sucks for opensource alternatives.

Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by victornomad on Sunday June 18, 2017 @12:31PM (#14581414)
I agree with your comments in my comment. Just wanted to express my frustrations and sadness with the platform...
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by bpicolo on Sunday June 18, 2017 @10:22AM (#14580743)
I mean, in China the 'alternatives' are bigger yeah?
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by throwaway2048 on Sunday June 18, 2017 @08:36AM (#14580387)
https://microg.org/

helps significantly, its an implementation of playstore APIs including google maps (which you can swap out for OSM) and Google Cloud messaging.

Apps that depend on this stuff will run even without Google Play services, and as a huge bonus you wont be feeding back constant spywar.... "telemetry" data to the Google mothership.

Does wonders for your battery life and ram usage too! using microg doubled my available ram and doubled my battery life too.

Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by ec109685 on Sunday June 18, 2017 @12:41PM (#14581471)
Why would it half your ram and double your battery life? It's a re-implantation of google API's.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by 5ilv3r on Sunday June 18, 2017 @01:35PM (#14581806)
It's probably a lot less chatty, and wireless data transfer eats battery.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by throwaway2048 on Sunday June 18, 2017 @02:25PM (#14582044)
but without most of the crap
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by andrepd on Sunday June 18, 2017 @11:20AM (#14581008)
Is it good for daily use?
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by Shywim on Sunday June 18, 2017 @01:58PM (#14581923)
Look components state here: https://github.com/microg/android_packages_apps_GmsCore/wiki...

I discovered microg only recently and was instantly very interested but I am a heavy user of Cast so that's a big no for me, though I'll happily jump on it once it's done (if it's possible).

Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by andrepd on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @11:08PM (#14609863)
For what's worth I can use Cast (Miracast) without installing Google services. If you would like to get rid of Google services maybe consider buying a Miracast dongle to replace Chromecast?
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by voltagex_ on Monday June 19, 2017 @03:32AM (#14585171)
I don't think Cast will be possible as it requires a Google signing cert.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by elorm on Sunday June 18, 2017 @05:34AM (#14579828)
Being a long time f-droid user, i panicked a bit when i saw the title.

It's really sad to see Boris leave, considering the amount of work he puts in. You'd go over to make a little contribution and be feeling yourself, then you look over and see Boris who's made about 9000 commits and you're immensely humbled.

Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by simplehuman on Sunday June 18, 2017 @03:15AM (#14579424)
Not sure I understand.

a) lead dev is stepping down

b) lead dev has not groomed a successor

c) this is where I am lost. he says patches welcome... But who will merge if he has no time or has no successor?

Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by smoyer on Sunday June 18, 2017 @07:34AM (#14580208)
There are four "Owners", one "Master" and several "Developers" with permissions to commit to the f-droid project - https://gitlab.com/groups/fdroid/group_members.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by eponeponepon on Sunday June 18, 2017 @03:19AM (#14579433)
He also says there are some people that he "trusts". I hope that means Fdroid won't stagnate, or worse, disappear down the Sourceforge route.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by iSnow on Sunday June 18, 2017 @05:16AM (#14579775)
I think there's an implied

d) No one stepped up and lead dev has stopped caring

Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by gpvos on Sunday June 18, 2017 @10:51AM (#14580882)
Well, in a comment he says he'll stay on the IRC channel to answer questions.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by coldtea on Sunday June 18, 2017 @06:41AM (#14580033)
>c) this is where I am lost. he says patches welcome... But who will merge if he has no time or has no successor?

It's not like he's irreplaceable, even if there's not currently a successor.

Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by nopenada on Sunday June 18, 2017 @02:43PM (#14582144)
> It's not like he's irreplaceable, even if there's not currently a successor.

That's where you're wrong. Most open source projects have a single maintainer who does the vast majority of the work. It is not uncommon for them to put in 30 hours per week or more for free. In theory someone could step up and replace them - but no one ever does because that requires actual work. Maintaining a large project is a thankless task. People are constantly bitching and complaining why you haven't implemented useless feature X or fixed random bug Y for their commercial product. Github is full of self-entitled whining users who never give back to the community and expect everything for free and fixed in a timely manner.

Large open source projects being driven by unpaid volunteers is simply not viable or sustainable. All big projects (Linux, GCC, LLVM) are sponsored by the likes of IBM, Google, Facebook, Red Hat and Apple. It's the only model that works.

Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by jancsika on Sunday June 18, 2017 @04:58PM (#14582892)
I agree and have firsthand experience with everything you said except the last paragraph. (And Debian is a quick counterexample.)

There are viable large volunteer projects. The way they become viable is to interpret single points of failure as damage, and to fix that damage.

That damage definitely includes relying on a single maintainer's ability and knowledge to keep the project going. There's even a term for it-- "bus factor"-- which answers the question of how many of the core developers could get hit by a bus with the project remaining healthy and maintained. If the "bus factor" is 1 and the userbase is large, that's a critical bug in maintainership.

Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by X86BSD on Sunday June 18, 2017 @05:55PM (#14583171)
I disagree. The BSD's surely meet your definition of "large open source projects being driven by unpaid volunteers" and I argue they are not only viable but the longest running if not largest open source projects ever.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by ianai on Sunday June 18, 2017 @04:31AM (#14579648)
I'm more curious what he's switched to if not Apple.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by hasbot on Sunday June 18, 2017 @11:00AM (#14580919)
He says in a reply:

Laptop, SSH, paper :). I wasn't a heavy mobile user in general and only got interested in cellphones when they became more PC-like. So with 3.5 years in F-Droid, I only have about 4-5 years of actual mobile phone usage. Coming from a more old-school unix environment, reverting back.

Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by romanovcode on Monday June 19, 2017 @04:56AM (#14585479)
So he basically doesn't have a phone? That's pretty hardcore.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by franciscop on Monday June 19, 2017 @06:50AM (#14585911)
Actually not so much, I basically only use the phone on the move, 99% of the other things I do them in my laptop. I even do more laptop calls (skype, hangouts) than phone calls.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by kerneis on Monday June 19, 2017 @07:41AM (#14586138)
At least not a smartphone. That's my case as well, very happy with my dual-sim Nokia 216. The internet can always wait until I'm back home or at work.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by Markoff on Monday June 19, 2017 @09:24AM (#14586705)
for me personally smartphone is just more convenient than telling out laptop, opening it, waiting for start compared to smartphone always running at hand and seem by looking at statistics most of the people are in same boat and PC is dying
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by squarefoot on Monday June 19, 2017 @11:10AM (#14587530)
He probably doesn't use a smartphone, as some of us don't including myself, given the total impossibility to achieve decent privacy and data security under any mobile operating system.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by vanderZwan on Monday June 19, 2017 @05:29AM (#14585605)
I wonder what he thinks of the Pandora or the Pyra
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by torgoguys on Sunday June 18, 2017 @09:23AM (#14580542)
There is now a reply where he explains he's more or less switching to just using his laptop for any computing tasks he would have done from his phone.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by lauretas on Sunday June 18, 2017 @11:02AM (#14580926)
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by ianai on Sunday June 18, 2017 @11:53AM (#14581172)
It really seems like he has a point. I definitely agree that they've become too centralized and rife with privacy issues.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by brador on Sunday June 18, 2017 @05:21AM (#14579791)
Could be Ubuntu OS, or, more likely, an old school dumb phone.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by msh on Sunday June 18, 2017 @06:39AM (#14580026)
The dumb phone would be less free than Android.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by saghm on Sunday June 18, 2017 @12:49PM (#14581527)
Yeah, but it probably wouldn't be used for much besides phone calls and maybe texts, as opposed to email, web browsing, etc. as well.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by distances on Sunday June 18, 2017 @06:53AM (#14580087)
Ubuntu phone was discontinued. Sailfish more likely, I'd say.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by mondoshawan22 on Sunday June 18, 2017 @07:27AM (#14580183)
The phone was, yes. Ubuntu touch is still alive and kicking as UBports, though. They just got OTAs working, too!
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by oliwarner on Sunday June 18, 2017 @05:19AM (#14579780)
> don't you worry, I don't use any less free systems either

I think that answers that.

Note to downvoter: That wasn't sarcastic. That does answer that. Chaps like Boris wouldn't go from a relatively open platform like Android where they built an open source market for it and then go to a completely-walled-in garden like iOS where they don't have the power to run whatever they want.

Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by raverbashing on Sunday June 18, 2017 @07:34AM (#14580205)
And the answer is?

Note: the question is what did he switch to?

Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by jwilk on Sunday June 18, 2017 @03:06PM (#14582271)
From the HN guidelines:

Please resist commenting about being downvoted. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by zem on Sunday June 18, 2017 @05:50AM (#14579869)
my guess was jolla/sailfish
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by forvelin on Sunday June 18, 2017 @07:16AM (#14580151)
Probably a feature phone.

Jolla could be nice as well,if he could find one.

Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by askvictor on Sunday June 18, 2017 @06:11AM (#14579934)
Possibly stopped using mobile devices?
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by daggerr on Sunday June 18, 2017 @07:10AM (#14580131)
Maybe just dumbphone, the rest can do laptop/PC.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by Animats on Sunday June 18, 2017 @12:40PM (#14581461)
That's annoying. I use F-Droid, and have all Google services removed from my Android phone. ZANavi for GPS, Firefox for browsing, and the Android mail client connected to an IMAP server for mail. Works fine.
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by Markoff on Monday June 19, 2017 @09:26AM (#14586720)
why not Maps.me? nice UI and doesn't require play services
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by tomcooks on Monday June 19, 2017 @04:05PM (#14589977)
With every update it gets heavier with annoyances (notifications, booking.com integration, etc) and less usable. Dropped it in favor of OSMand
Re:So long, farewell and goodbye by Markoff on Monday June 19, 2017 @05:24PM (#14590579)
osmand has just horrible interface, that's good way how to scare someone from using OSM, it's fore sure in leading top 10 of apps with the worst interface on top of great service