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Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by bane on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @08:41PM (#13537393)
There were also classes of alcohol that we just don't really bother much with today. For example Small beer and various other low alcohol beers were very common and helped prevent sickness from drinking tainted water.

One of my friends is a very dedicated home brewer, and he's recently taken an interest in a lost class of 2-3% beers that have fallen out of fashion.

There's also traditional ferments like Kvass or Brottrunk which are made from bread, have <1% alcohol and are very drinkable and can also make the foundation for a soup or other foods which need some quick flavor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_beer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kvass

Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by pavel_lishin on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @09:11PM (#13537562)
I had completely forgotten that kvass is a bit alcoholic on my last trip to visit my family, until I realized that I was having a very good time indeed having started drinking it when I woke up early in the morning.

Makes me wonder a bit about just how much of that stuff I drank as a kid, because I certainly don't remember moderating myself then, either.

Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by rdtsc on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @10:30PM (#13537977)
Kefir can have a bit of alcohol in it as well. Not sure how much industrially produced kind has. But brewed at home would have some.
Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by wruza on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @09:15AM (#13540821)
Both kvass and kefir can save your morning after yesterday's zastolie (and the entire day if otherwise you would start it with more alcoholic drinks).
Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by magic_beans on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @06:15AM (#13539829)
Kombucha as well.
Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by kagamine on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @02:33AM (#13539049)
Not sure if it is still available, but in the UK there was a stout called Sweetheart Stout that was brewed to 2.5% alcohol making it like a very sweet Guinness. It is lovely, used to drink it all the time 20 years ago.

Iirc it was in earlier times marketed to ladies and also pregnant women because it is high in Vitamin B12(?) or something. Legend had it you wouldn't get rickets (bendy legs) if you drank sweet stout.

In Scandinavia lett øl (low alcohol beer) is in all the supermarkets, this is 2.5% alcohol pilsner.

Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by jamesfmilne on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @08:43AM (#13540614)
My mother claims she used to drink that whilst she was pregnant with me.

Would explain a lot :D

Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by Graham24 on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @08:12AM (#13540426)
That sounds a bit like Mackeson. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackeson_Stout
Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by l0b0 on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @05:27PM (#13546023)
Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by kagamine on Thursday February 02, 2017 @03:09AM (#13548940)
Can't get that sent to me outside the UK and now I am sad and it's all your fault. But now I have another reason to visit the homeland, so I am happy and that's your fault too.
Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by thetwentyone on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @10:00AM (#13541183)
In Colorado, non-liquor stores are capped at selling alcohol at 3.2%. Varieties in many types of beer were sold, some specially made for this type of distribution. We called them "grocery store beers".
Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by santaclaus on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @09:33PM (#13537668)
> One of my friends is a very dedicated home brewer, and he's recently taken an interest in a lost class of 2-3% beers that have fallen out of fashion.

Isn't that what a session beer is supposed to be?

Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by TylerE on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @09:43PM (#13537725)
Sessions are typically 3-5% ABV.

Not sure there is anything commercially marketed that is under 3% ABV, really.

Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by dagw on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @03:41AM (#13539318)
Not sure there is anything commercially marketed that is under 3% ABV, really.

In Norway and Sweden beer under 2.8% is is exempt from most licencing and excise regulations. So there is large market for that sort of beer.

Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by SFJulie on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @05:33AM (#13539678)
Personal experience, yes.

The ancester of carbonated soda, called «limonade» in France and given to kids cannot be naturally obtained without alchohol.

As an experience I did make some (water, citrus, a little exposition to air (thus yeast)) and anaeroby fermentation will give you the expected result: - an acid, sugarish refreshing drink - with bubbles, - and ~2-3% alcohol

My experiments confirm what is said on a chemistry forum. http://forums.futura-sciences.com/chimie/410527-limonade-art...

Kids, were given alcohol in the old days, no wonder why they were calmer, lol.

My look at older german polish recipies makes me suspicious that a common drink of the old ages their the «brotbier» (you put old bread in a jar of water and let it ferment in anaerobic conditions) should also have been alcoholized.

And yes without Chaptal (17g/l of sugar = 1% alcohol, how to dope your alcohol fast) (not Gay Lussac) obtaning strong alcohol is tough.

Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by WorldMaker on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @11:02AM (#13541713)
The ability to carbonate water (for soda) without yeast/alcohol is very much a relatively modern industrial invention.

Root beer and Ginger ale are named as such for the obvious reason.

My small disappointment in the current fad of "hard" sodas is that they are often malt beverages/"distilled" beer at ~5% alcohol rather than, say, traditional recipes in the ~2-3% range.

Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by SFJulie on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @11:04AM (#13541738)
make yours :) it is easy and fun.
Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by dpark on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @10:49PM (#13538057)
I don't think I've ever seen a session beer for sale under 4%. Most seem to be between 4.5 and 4.9, just low enough to be "less than 5".
Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by gabemart on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @02:40AM (#13539088)
That's a real shame, they're ubiquitous in Scotland; any brand's "70 shilling" will be in the 3.5% range. Belhaven Best is also extremely common, and that's 3.2%.

It's common in England for pubs to have at least one bitter that is below 4%.

Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by david-given on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @05:23AM (#13539653)
They're awesome, too. Tonnes of flavour, huge variety, thoroughly drinkable, and low enough in alcohol that you can usually get an extra pint in. There are what the USians call microbreweries everywhere and any decent pub is likely to have a local session beer, frequently very good.

I live in Zürich now. The local lager's okay, but it's all lager, and it's all 5%, which is the upper limit of what I like. I miss good old fashioned ale.

Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by saiya-jin on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @08:41AM (#13540601)
if you mean stuff you can buy in shops like COOP, then local lager is piece of s__t. if you mean some local small breweries then it might be different
Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by jacobush on Thursday February 02, 2017 @11:26AM (#13551728)
But ... try Falcon Bayersk and tell me you don't like it.
Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by jacobush on Thursday February 02, 2017 @11:24AM (#13551707)
3.5% beers, if well made well, to my taste are better than the stronger ones of the same brand.
Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by ch4s3 on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @12:32AM (#13538534)
You'll find a handful in the 3-4% range if you look around a nice beer shop.Look for session IPAs, "table beers", and maybe some Goozes.
Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by dpark on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @12:49AM (#13538596)
I've not checked for "table beers" and don't know what that actually is. Goses aren't my style. IPAs are, and I've seen few if any session IPAs in person that hit at or below 4%. Just looking at the top 10 session IPAs that show up when I search for "session" on Untappd, I see only one below 4%, Even Keel at 3.8%. So I guess someone's making them, but no one's making them at 3 and almost no one is making them below 4.

Although honestly I don't think I'd want a session IPA at 4 or below. Most (though not all) session IPAs are pretty terrible at ~4.5. They'd probably taste like watery trash at 3.5.

Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by wahnfrieden on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @04:52AM (#13539555)
Btw, I think OP meant Gueze / Gueuze lambic which is quite different from Gose though similar in many ways too.
Re:Were Early Modern People Perpetually Drunk? (2016) by phillc73 on Wednesday February 01, 2017 @06:56AM (#13539994)
There are many in this range in Australia, where they are known as Light Beers and have almost 10% market share. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_in_Australia#Market_chara...