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Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by theelfismike on Thursday January 26, 2017 @05:08PM (#13495706)
Interesting the effective tax rate went from 5% last year to 22% this year.

What would cause that?

Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by magicalist on Thursday January 26, 2017 @06:46PM (#13496497)
Someone else will have to explain what on earth it means, but last year's press release said

> For Q4 2015, our effective tax rate reflects impact of certain one-time items in the U.S., specifically the resolution of a multi-year audit with an ETR impact of 9%, as well as the full year impact of the R&D tax credit with an ETR impact of 8%.

https://abc.xyz/investor/news/earnings/2015/Q4_google_earnin...

Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by khuey on Thursday January 26, 2017 @11:47PM (#13497780)
ETR = effective tax rate.
Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by Johnie on Thursday January 26, 2017 @08:36PM (#13497048)
Ruth mentioned this on the call:

"Porat replied, “In terms of, you noted the one-time item, there are really two I’m actually going to call out. One was in the cost of revenues. I noted that as equipment costs were elevated by some one-time charges, and so there was some pressure there. And then the other item I noted was with respect to our tax rate. I noted that there was slightly elevated tax rate this quarter. It’s always affected by the geographic mix of results but we did have a discrete that affected the US tax rate, to make that clear.”"

It still doesn't answer the question. Basically a one time charge increased the tax rate. In one of the live blogs, an analyst mentioned some windfall tax from Europe. But now I can't find it.

Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday January 26, 2017 @09:39PM (#13497290)
For FYE 2012 through the end of 2015 Alphabet's Income After Tax has been, on average, 81% of its Income Before Tax. That implies a 19% average tax rate. Excluding Q4 2015, the same ratio for Q3 2015 through the end of Q3 2016 was 82%. That implies an 18% average tax rate.

The anomaly was Q4 2015, not this most-recent quarter.

Source: Google Finance

Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by grn on Friday January 27, 2017 @03:47AM (#13498524)
I was puzzled by the difference in ETR in Q42015 and Q42016 (5% vs 22%). What happened in Q42015 that made the ETR so low?
Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by andybak on Thursday January 26, 2017 @05:44PM (#13496033)
Getting the heat for tax avoidance in multiple countries?
Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by Vindicis on Thursday January 26, 2017 @09:28PM (#13497254)
I'd have to take a look at their statements to see, but it sounds like they had some one-time charges that resulted in a tax benefit thereby reducing how much they had to pay in taxes, ergo the 5% rate. And since those no longer apply(being one off items) their tax rate is back where it should be.
Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by btian on Thursday January 26, 2017 @05:32PM (#13495911)
Mean reversion?

5% is very unusual.

Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by neximo64 on Thursday January 26, 2017 @05:48PM (#13496076)
You don't pay taxes on the mean. They are unusual because they were minimized.
Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by kbutler on Thursday January 26, 2017 @06:05PM (#13496201)
"Reversion to the mean" is the process where later data is more typical than an outlying datum, so aberrations caused by outliers are averaged out, giving a result progressively closer to the mean of the data as subsequent data is added.
Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by neximo64 on Thursday January 26, 2017 @06:56PM (#13496563)
In short, that the rate over a decade instead of over a year is the official corporate tax rate. For Google it doesn't work out this way, still.
Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by hiddencost on Thursday January 26, 2017 @09:15PM (#13497201)
You really should Google the phrase "reversion to the mean", because you clearly have no idea what is going on but remain confident.
Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by neximo64 on Friday January 27, 2017 @06:24AM (#13499110)
Googles mean or even max is far from 35% over their entire history. I fail to see the relevance of your argument.

Perhaps you think Google will eventually in the future pay 35% and everything in the past was just an anomaly?

Because it's a laughable thought, or if you're absolutely convinced that is the case you're incredibly naive.

You're mixing up mean reversion with extrapolation.

Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by btian on Friday January 27, 2017 @11:34AM (#13500733)
Where did you get the 35% number from?

You know Google is a global company, right? Corporate income tax rate in Ireland is 12.5%.

Have you seen any global company paying 35% income tax?

Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by neximo64 on Friday January 27, 2017 @08:15PM (#13504188)
Does that mean that its profits would be volume weighted based on where they're earned? Because they still do not match up, 12.5% would be the lower boundary - of which Google was below on many years. What you've come up with is a rationalisation.

There is no way you can spin it, there is clear avoidance & the excuse is a battle on details of the law.

Re:Alphabet Announces Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2016 Re... by zhte415 on Friday January 27, 2017 @12:54AM (#13498052)
Getting called-out on Europe tax avoidance via Ireland would be a good guess.