News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by EasyTiger_ on Monday December 12, 2016 @11:10AM (#13159069)
I just installed Windows 10. My start menu by default was full of stuff I will never ever use. After deleting/uninstalling apps (where it would allow me) the OS decides to install Candy Crush and other games I never asked for. Unacceptable.
Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by UK-AL on Monday December 12, 2016 @11:17AM (#13159148)
"OS decides to install Candy Crush and other games I never asked for. Unacceptable. " - I would like more details on this. I don't think I've heard of that before?
Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by shimo5037 on Monday December 12, 2016 @11:30AM (#13159274)
Not sure if you're being sarcastic (there's the non-Nexus Android experience after all), but I did a fresh install of Windows 10 Pro on my gaming machine a while ago. Full retail license and an official .iso downloaded from Microsoft. There's barely anything installed on that machine, however I was also surprised to find Candy Crush in my start menu after a while. It's probably just a shortcut to the store, but it does look quite a bit like it's already installed.
Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by bwat48 on Monday December 12, 2016 @01:21PM (#13160360)
by default windows 10 will show you 'suggested' apps in your start menu programs list. This can be disabled in the settings (just open settings and search for suggestions)
Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by Aldo_MX on Monday December 12, 2016 @11:25AM (#13159233)
It does happen after an upgrade (ex. the anniversary update).

Although it does not install Candy Crush, just a stub to install it, anyway, it is certainly unappealing.

Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by UK-AL on Monday December 12, 2016 @11:30AM (#13159275)
Showing a featured app on the windows store tile != Installing an app.
Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by Aldo_MX on Monday December 12, 2016 @11:35AM (#13159330)
It is certainly not "the" Windows Store Tile, they're annoying stubs like the "Get Office" one.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7b/Windows_10_bu...

Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by criddell on Monday December 12, 2016 @11:42AM (#13159393)
The OS puts Candy Crush in your menu and it's installed on demand. So to users it will seem like it's always been installed.

All the pre-installed software is my big pet peeve for Windows 10. I don't want weather, or contacts, or xbox, or 3d builder, or email, or alarms, or skype, or office, or calendar, or groove, or money, or news, etc... I've deleted them and they just come back because of some provisioning setting.

Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by mark_l_watson on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:31PM (#13159881)
Buy a signature edition laptop directly from the microsoft store, then you will not et any crap-ware.
Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by criddell on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:35PM (#13159916)
Things like Candy Crush, Skype, and Office aren't the full installs but instead are stubs that install the applications on first run. Even if you buy a retail copy of Windows 10, that junk is still in there.

A signature edition makes sure that the only crapware is stuff that Microsoft installed.

Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by lmm on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:48PM (#13160023)
This isn't true. You get Candy Crush. That's the whole problem.
Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by mark_l_watson on Tuesday December 13, 2016 @07:41AM (#13166336)
OK, then Microsoft changed what gets installed. A year ago when I bought a signature laptop, no junk was pre-installed, IIRC
Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by bigtex on Monday December 12, 2016 @11:16AM (#13159136)
Wait until you get the random start menu no longer works bug. Not only does the start menu not appear, clicking on the File Explorer icon will take 30 + seconds to open, every time. There are links where thousands of people have posted various fixes but from my understanding MSFT hasn't actually fixed the underlying cause. To their credit they have released a utility that fixes the issue however.
Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by jbigelow76 on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:08PM (#13159659)
Microsoft deserves every bit of ridicule lobbed its way for adding advertising to it's start menu in Win10. That being said they aren't the only offender, my iPhone has a folder of apps called Apple Trash filled with Apple's collection of worthless default apps that can't be removed from iOS.
Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by tarentel on Monday December 12, 2016 @01:50PM (#13160651)
Like what? This used to be true but I believe most of it was remedied with iOS 10.
Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by jack1243star on Monday December 12, 2016 @03:03PM (#13161414)
Watch and Home, for example
Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by makecheck on Monday December 12, 2016 @01:53PM (#13160680)
Most built-in Apple apps can now be hidden in the normal way.
Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by rocky1138 on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:09PM (#13159667)
Get some perspective. Operating systems have included simple games since the 80s. Minesweeper, anyone?
Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by soylentcola on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:25PM (#13159817)
While I agree that it's more a minor annoyance than a dealbreaker (for me at least), the fact remains that there's a big difference between including a simple game or two and installing (or "suggestive-selling") a "freemium" money-sink from a third party.

Basically the way I look at it in order of annoyance/offensiveness:

- Free, standalone application made by same company (this is a free gift as far as I'm concerned)

- Free, standalone application made by another company (ok, this is starting to approach crapware but as long as it can be uninstalled and doesn't try to sell me anything, I'll deal)

- Link, installer, or preinstalled application that requires later purchase from same company (OK, this is an ad and pretty offensive)

- Link, installer, or preinstalled application requiring later purchase from third party (this is most certainly unwanted crapware that they were paid to include)

Re:Microsoft: more people are switching from Macs to Surface... by zapt02 on Monday December 12, 2016 @11:19AM (#13159169)
Try to get the LTSB build, less clutter.