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Re:Found in translation: More accurate, fluent sentences in ... by drcode on Tuesday November 15, 2016 @07:41PM (#12963655)
I can confirm: I took some of the most difficult text I could find (some articles from lesswrong.com) and translated them from English to German with Google... the German translation is very close to perfect now- Comparable to any manual translation I could do on my own, being fluent in both languages.
Re:Found in translation: More accurate, fluent sentences in ... by tauchunfall on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @02:13AM (#12965111)
I tested a douzen sentences (English to German with texts from lesswrong.com) and it is very good, but not very close to perfect; I could spot a minor error in nearly every sentence.

EN: As we wrap up the 2016 survey, I'd like to start by thanking everybody... DE: Als wir die Umfrage 2016 abschließen, möchte ich zunächst allen danken...

EN: This seems consistent with the hypothesis that the LW community hasn't declined in population so much as migrated into different communities. DE: Dies scheint im Einklang mit der Hypothese, dass die LW-Gemeinde nicht in der Bevölkerung sank so viel wie in verschiedene Gemeinden abgewandert.

Re:Found in translation: More accurate, fluent sentences in ... by novalis78 on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @08:35AM (#12966694)
Here is a fun one:

"In the medieval time of a roman emperor who had no regard for life and engaged in the most atrocious habits of mass slaughter, babarian footsteps made it all the way to the capitol."

In der mittelalterlichen Zeit eines römischen Kaisers, der keine Rücksicht auf das Leben hatte und sich mit den grauenhaftesten Gewohnheiten der Massenschlachtung beschäftigte, machten babarische Schritte den ganzen Weg bis zum Kapitol.

Re:Found in translation: More accurate, fluent sentences in ... by superplussed on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @03:27AM (#12965339)
As a student of the German language, it'd be interesting to know the errors in the sentences.
Re:Found in translation: More accurate, fluent sentences in ... by lorenzhs on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @04:26AM (#12965568)
I'd suggest something like this:

"Zum Abschluss der Umfrage 2016 möchte ich zunächst Ihnen allen danken". Note the "Ihnen", which isn't there in English but required for an idiomatic translation.

"Dies scheint im Einklang mit der Hypothese, dass die LW-Gemeinde nicht in der Bevölkerung abgenommen hat, sondern eher in andere Gemeinden abgewandert ist". Note that the "not so much" qualifier is applied to the first half in English, but the second half in German ("sondern eher" → "but rather").

Re:Found in translation: More accurate, fluent sentences in ... by awild on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @03:56AM (#12965450)
The first sentence is probably better started with "Zum Abschluss" than "Als wir abschliessen".

The second sentence is not wrong per se, I am having trouble coming up with a better translation. I'd probably use Communities instead of Gemeinden, as Gemeinde is more municipality or parrish, and the original sentence refers to online communities, which for me are not entailed in Gemeinde(in this context at least).

Re:Found in translation: More accurate, fluent sentences in ... by singularity2001 on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @03:52AM (#12965430)
'Als' Is not used in that way. 'Da / Während / Nun, da ' would be more acceptable, 'So' maybe.

As a student -> Als student OK As I drove -> Als ich fuhr OK past tense As I start -> Da ich anfage, so ich anfage, während ich ...

I think it's more practical for Germans to adopt the English usage then for you to learn this strange exception;)

Re:Found in translation: More accurate, fluent sentences in ... by bergjs on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @03:59AM (#12965460)
"Als" is not correct here. It should be "Da wir die Umfrage 2016 abschließen ..."

In the second example it should be "... dass die LW-Gemeinde in der Bevölkerung nicht sank sondern eher in verschiedene Gemeinden abgewandert ist." But I'm having a hard time translating "so much as" in this context to German.

Re:Found in translation: More accurate, fluent sentences in ... by MagnumOpus on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @07:16AM (#12966311)
"Not X so much as Y" is pretty much always be translated as "Nicht X sondern Y". "Sondern" should be used here.
Re:Found in translation: More accurate, fluent sentences in ... by umanwizard on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @04:04AM (#12965480)
Why do you think Less Wrong is particularly difficult to translate?

I think stuff like novels or poetry would be way harder.

Re:Found in translation: More accurate, fluent sentences in ... by koyote on Wednesday November 16, 2016 @06:30AM (#12966115)
I don't think I agree with 'very close to perfect'. Just entering a random sentence I got the following:

Humans are far better than other species at altering our environment to suit our preferences.

Die Menschen sind weit besser als andere Arten bei der Veränderung unserer Umgebung, um unsere Vorlieben.

The German is pretty much wrong and the actual meaning of the original sentence is hard to deduce in my opinion. That being said, computer translation has come very far in the last decade.

Re:Found in translation: More accurate, fluent sentences in ... by arcticfox on Tuesday November 15, 2016 @11:37PM (#12964574)
I'm not sure if the Portuguese->English translation just isn't as good as English->German, but it's certainly nowhere close to a fluent manual translation.

In fact, the main difference seems to be less tripping up on mostly inconsequential small pieces of English grammar. It seems to have the same trouble as the old version in translating the meaning of sentences.