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Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by dasil003 on Saturday October 22, 2016 @04:10PM (#12770366)
The article says this device is used to cheat in Vegas, but I don't see how that would be possible since you have to bring your own cards. It's hard to imagine casinos colluding on this, so I guess they're talking about private games that happen to be in Vegas?
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by grecy on Saturday October 22, 2016 @04:17PM (#12770385)
I assume there are a lot of games being played in Vegas at far from reputable establishments, where the owners of such places would love to kick the odds in their favor.

You know, the kind of place where your alcohol is mostly water (or floor cleaner) and clothing is optional for the wait staff.

Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by JoshTriplett on Saturday October 22, 2016 @04:43PM (#12770478)
> I assume there are a lot of games being played in Vegas at far from reputable establishments, where the owners of such places would love to kick the odds in their favor.

Or where a dealer would collude with players for the right price.

> the kind of place where your alcohol is mostly water

The less reputable places would typically have a vested interest in decreasing your judgment and inhibitions, not in keeping you clear-headed. Remember that many casinos will reward high-rollers with free drinks, among other perks.

Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by feelix on Saturday October 22, 2016 @06:08PM (#12770793)
Not all businesses are run optimally. Some even favor short term gains over long term profit and reputation. Particularly shady casino type businesses.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by intrasight on Saturday October 22, 2016 @04:29PM (#12770432)
And if they catch you cheating, you'll be find dead in a dumpster somewhere.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by andrepd on Saturday October 22, 2016 @07:27PM (#12771076)
You watch too many movies.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by scurvy on Saturday October 22, 2016 @10:02PM (#12771487)
Indeed. Vegas is about as sanitary and clean as it gets. There's almost no sleaze left. Fremont at night can get sketchy, but only in the sense of desperate poor people.

But I guess that's how good they are at selling the myth of Vegas. They want you to believe it's wild, sexy, out of control, and naughty. In reality, it's all highly regulated, calculated, and completely under control by large corporations.

Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by jcoffland on Sunday October 23, 2016 @03:56AM (#12772502)
That depends a lot on your definition of sleazy and sanitary.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by gozur88 on Sunday October 23, 2016 @03:58AM (#12772509)
Nah, not any more. These days the casinos are run by big corporations and cheating is illegal. They just call the cops like anybody else.

A few generations back it was different, since if you were cheating you were stealing from organized criminals instead of nameless shareholders. It was their money and they took it personally.

Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by klodolph on Saturday October 22, 2016 @04:33PM (#12770444)
Finding the right mark has to be at least half of the work you'd expect to do anyway.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by emmelaich on Saturday October 22, 2016 @05:57PM (#12770737)
Also dead if you catch them cheating.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by dsmithatx on Sunday October 23, 2016 @01:24PM (#12774407)
Casinos ban cell phones at black jack because you are playing against them. The allow cell phones at poker because you are playing against other players. You can bet that the casino is not aggressively putting security into watching poker dealers. They make rake regardless of the cheating as long as customers don't stop walking in the door.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by blazespin on Saturday October 22, 2016 @05:30PM (#12770662)
Yeah, definitely this. The gambling scene is heavily involved with exceedingly shady characters and I can't imagine the vegas police particularly investigate too hard on deaths of people who are cheating others and undermining the economy that supports themselves and everyone they know.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by abrkn on Saturday October 22, 2016 @05:09PM (#12770578)
The penalties for getting caught doing this in Vegas are very harsh[1]. Looks like 1-6 years six imprisonment and a $10,000 fine.

[1] https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-465.html

Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by jliptzin on Saturday October 22, 2016 @06:41PM (#12770899)
This would never work in vegas for a bunch of reasons. I think this kind of thing would only work in a home game where you are mostly playing with friends/acquaintances. Maybe you're okay with cheating strangers in vegas, but you'd really have to have no conscience to be cheating your friends.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by blazespin on Saturday October 22, 2016 @05:28PM (#12770652)
What keeps you from marking the cards as you play with them? Maybe some special invisible die on your fingers.

I know rooms rotate through decks, but how often?

Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by hueving on Sunday October 23, 2016 @04:26AM (#12772583)
In many table games against the house (e.g. blackjack), they won't even let you touch the cards (at least in the big casinos on the strip).
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by driverdan on Sunday October 23, 2016 @11:50AM (#12773984)
How are you supposed to look at your cards if you can't touch them?
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by hueving on Monday October 24, 2016 @04:17AM (#12777318)
They are visible to everyone.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by mAritz on Saturday October 22, 2016 @05:58PM (#12770741)
How would you apply those markings with your fingers? They need to be pretty precise, so that the device can recognize them properly.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by Steeeve on Saturday October 22, 2016 @07:02PM (#12770968)
The whole deck doesn't need to be marked. Mark two aces in a deck and you have a reasonable advantage in hold 'em on a reasonably full table.

Not for this device, but in general.

Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by lopatin on Saturday October 22, 2016 @06:04PM (#12770774)
Most places won't let you have your phone anywhere near the table. Awesome technology, just not built I think for Vegas.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by pfarnsworth on Saturday October 22, 2016 @10:07PM (#12771504)
Completely not true at least for poker. In the last 5 years, I've never been asked to put my phone away, at least as long as I'm not talking on it.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by xapata on Saturday October 22, 2016 @06:14PM (#12770810)
I've never played at a place that banned phones. That casino probably wouldn't have many players.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by rblatz on Saturday October 22, 2016 @06:24PM (#12770838)
At every casino I've been to they will yell at you if you pull your phone out at any table game. If you want to respond to a text you need to step away from the table and wait a hand/spin to bet again.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by xapata on Saturday October 22, 2016 @06:36PM (#12770882)
You shouldn't be fiddling with your phone when the action is on you. Using your phone while you're out of the hand is totally fine.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by gozur88 on Sunday October 23, 2016 @04:04AM (#12772529)
Most places I've played won't let you use the phone at the table, and if you're using it they'll deal you out and ask you to get up.

But they don't care if your phone is on the table.

I think this is more to keep the game moving than any concern about cheating.

Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by micaksica on Saturday October 22, 2016 @07:38PM (#12771115)
> any table game

This isn't about the house-run, house-edged table games you find in the middle of casinos; it's about Texas Hold 'em poker rooms. Most poker rooms I've been to let me keep my phone on the table next to my cards. I doubt that'll be the case now.

Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by knowaveragejoe on Saturday October 22, 2016 @08:23PM (#12771239)
I don't see why it would change, this requires a special rigged deck of cards. IIRC card decks are a tightly controlled affair in major casinos.
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by kumaraman on Saturday October 22, 2016 @06:24PM (#12770839)
just wait for someone to embed this into their watch
Re:Exposing high-end poker cheating devices by andrelaszlo on Saturday October 22, 2016 @06:27PM (#12770849)
That was one of the options for the remote camera (they got the car key). :)