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Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by meira on Saturday July 30, 2016 @08:37AM (#12192709)
I don't feel very comfortable with this "anti-sugar" campaign. In a recent past, the villain was fat, now is sugar. I don't think both of them is the problem, the problem is a life without sports and workout. And sugar is the best energy source for the brain, as far as I know.
Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by tomatsu on Saturday July 30, 2016 @09:37AM (#12192903)
Fat was made the villain with faulty statistics.

Sugar, on the other hand, is very obviously bad for you. It causes type 2 diabetes, it causes caries, and it also suppresses the feeling of satiety. Reducing your sugar intake is the easiest way to get into better shape.

Exercise is important, but it won't undo all the damage. E.g. if you heavily drink and smoke, no amount of exercise will undo that. It's the same with sugar. Exercise won't undo all those insulin spikes.

It's true that we need glucose, but we need it at a slow and steady rate. We don't need it at a rate which causes a massive insulin response. If your body actively combats the amount of sugar in your bloodstream, you apparently overdid it.

Non-processed food without added sugars is a good way to get a little bit of sugar over the course of several hours. The absorption rate is delayed by fibers. That's why fruits are fine while juice isn't.

The big problem with avoiding processed food is that it's really inconvenient. Cooking, just like exercise, takes time and effort.

Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by forgetsusername on Saturday July 30, 2016 @11:01AM (#12193221)
>Sugar, on the other hand, is very obviously bad for you

No, excess sugar is bad for you.

Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by tomatsu on Saturday July 30, 2016 @01:54PM (#12193931)
Given that it's so easy to overshoot your daily sugar budget, you should just try to avoid sugar in general.

E.g. if you eat some premade pasta sauce and some slices of toast, you're probably very close to exceeding your budget. So, it would be a good idea to not have a can of pop or some cookies.

Anyhow, if you only eat veggies and meat, you'll do just fine. The big problem is the added sugar found in most processed foods.

Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by GordonS on Saturday July 30, 2016 @10:02AM (#12192993)
We only actually need a tiny amount of glucose
Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by nibs on Saturday July 30, 2016 @10:01AM (#12192990)
A nitpick of this comment would be that caries are an autoimmune response caused by the acids that sugars (and some other foods) induce in your saliva. When you eat sugar, your body creates acid to break it down, and the presence of the acid in your mouth after the sugar is gone results in an autoimmune-style attack on your enamel.
Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by maxerickson on Saturday July 30, 2016 @10:10AM (#12193033)
The acid is produced by bacteria. Saliva itself tends to have a neutral PH.
Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by clort on Saturday July 30, 2016 @08:46AM (#12192736)
You know, even oxygen in excess quantities is poisonous to us.

I wouldn't say that sugar is a bad thing on its own, but the people who use it to enhance their products are not doing so to help our brains work better. They are doing that because they know that our species has an appreciation for this stuff and in their quest for short term profits they can externalize the long term costs associated with the effects of sugar overload which we ourselves do not have a way of detecting until it is too late.

Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by Broken_Hippo on Saturday July 30, 2016 @10:26AM (#12193098)
Diet and exercise play different roles in keeping us healthy. You can be fairly overweight with a sugary diet while still being pretty active, just as you can lose weight by monitoring diet alone. Some of the problem of the changing villians is that we are still learning, and some of the problem of us not knowing more is pushback from sweetening industries.

I don't agree with all of the anti-sugar things. Probably shouldn't tax sugar itself, and in moderation it isn't a bad thing. Most folks don't have a lot of candy in their diet (because there are limits). But they do drink a good deal of sugary coffees and drinks when it would be better to eat a handful of fruit and drink some water. Most folks don't need the added sugar to feed their brain - fruit and vegetables and some grains wind up as that anyway.

It isn't sugar in and of itself that is such an issue, but that we tend to put it in everything, so our consumption is really high.

Sauces and prepackaged foods have an amazing amount of added sugar. The typical american breakfast is nearly a dessert. Cranberry juice, pushed as healthy, is generally sweetened, even if it is with concentrated fruit juice. All of these things add up especially when combined with lack of reasonable choices near you and large portion sizes. And trying to figure out what has added sugar and other such things has been proven difficult. And this is a major problem for folks trying to have some sort of balance in addition to being a problem for folks that are low-to-mid income and/or have little time to cook their own food as it gets harder to limit such things even in supposedly healthy food.

Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by forgetsusername on Saturday July 30, 2016 @11:03AM (#12193232)
>I don't feel very comfortable with this "anti-sugar" campaign.

People want to be victims rather than taking responsibility for themselves. They need something to blame.

Unless I'm imposing costs on others (which, admittedly, sugar can do), don't tell me what I should or shouldn't eat.

Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by mark_l_watson on Saturday July 30, 2016 @08:56AM (#12192773)
Let me try to make you more comfortable with it: it is all about food corporations trying to block scientific studies and consumers' rights for fair package labeling, etc. also, do some reading on the harmful Candida bacteria in our guts. Some Candida is natural but too much sugar, as we see in processed foods, causes a harmful level of Candida. And Candida itself has quickly evolved to affect brain chemistry to induce people to eat more sugar.
Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by MustardTiger on Saturday July 30, 2016 @09:18AM (#12192850)
>And Candida itself has quickly evolved to affect brain chemistry to induce people to eat more sugar.

There is no evidence to support this sort of chemtrail level conspiracy theory nonsense.

Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by mark_l_watson on Saturday July 30, 2016 @09:31AM (#12192889)
There has been a lot written on the subject. Some examples: http://bodyecology.com/articles/goodbye-sugar-cravings-what-... http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-8376/10-signs-you-have-candid... http://www.thecandidadiet.com/why-does-candida-need-sugar/ http://www.janethull.com/newsletter/1208/a_love_story_candid... http://www.olsonnd.com/sugar-and-candida/

I believe that people should keep track of what food they eat and depending how they feel, modify their particular diets accordingly.

My wife and I have reduced the processed foods we eat, and try to avoid sugar, and it seems to have had a great effect on how we feel and general health.

If you are a skeptic that is fine, skepticism should be the default, but I would ask you to try staying away from processed foods and sugar for a few weeks and see if you feel better. It is an easy experiment to do.

Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by dalke on Saturday July 30, 2016 @09:46AM (#12192938)
There's a lot written on astrology as well. Volume doesn't mean it's true.

I wasn't able to find anything in PubMed on the causal connection as you describe, though I did find papers like http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3684604/ on "Archaea and Fungi of the Human Gut Microbiome: Correlations with Diet and Bacterial Residents" which describes the correlation.

> Methanobrevibacter and Candida were positively associated with diets high in carbohydrates, but negatively with diets high in amino acids, protein, and fatty acids. A previous study emphasized that bacterial population structure was associated primarily with long-term diet, but high Candida abundance was most strongly associated with the recent consumption of carbohydrates. Methobrevibacter abundance was associated with both long term and recent consumption of carbohydrates.

How do you know it's Candida and not Methanobrevibacter?

Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by mark_l_watson on Saturday July 30, 2016 @11:20AM (#12193314)
I think I might be wrong about this, so apologies, I stand corrected. For myself, staying away from processed foods (which means eating less sugar), has made me feel much better. As a result, when I read about the problems with Candida and it resonated with my own experiences and I came to biased conclusions.

I do take supplements specifically to reduce the amount of Candida in my gut (probiotics and caprylic acid) so my feeling of better heath in the last 4 or 5 years of avoiding processed foods might also be a result of these supplements and not just avoiding processed foods. I feel better, but I can't pinpoint why.

Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by ceejayoz on Saturday July 30, 2016 @10:10AM (#12193035)
> It is an easy experiment to do.

It's a flawed experiment, though. Literally the smallest possible sample size, extremely susceptible to the placebo effect, no controls.

I'd be interested in a large, rigorously controlled study on this, where the control group is fed convincing imitations of sweet (via artificial sweeteners) and processed (via presentation) foods. A single person's biased self-analysis isn't particularly valuable.

Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by mark_l_watson on Saturday July 30, 2016 @11:14AM (#12193278)
I would argue, and I could be wrong about this, but there is so much diversity in the human population that people really need to do "self experimentation" and go for a diet and lifestyle that maximises how good they feel.

re: "A single person's biased self-analysis isn't particularly valuable." I was not asking the other poster to accept my results, but rather suggesting that it would be worth the effort to do the experiment themselves.

Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by MustardTiger on Saturday July 30, 2016 @01:41PM (#12193872)
>There has been a lot written on the subject

Yes, there has been a lot written. And there is no evidence.

>but I would ask you to try staying away from processed foods and sugar for a few weeks and see if you feel better. It is an easy experiment to do.

95%+ of the food I eat comes from my property. There's nothing processed to cut out. I feel no different than I did when I was eating little ceasars pizza and coke every day for a year. This "experiment" is not an actual experiment, and would not support the claim in question even if it were.

Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by raphinou on Saturday July 30, 2016 @12:38PM (#12193645)
The problem is that sugar is literally everywhere leading to an over consommation without realising it, which can lead to health problem.
Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by zajd on Saturday July 30, 2016 @08:41AM (#12192728)
The funny part is the best dietary advice is just "eat a good variety of things and don't eat too much". Going in to Whole Foods makes me want to blow my brains out.
Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by rayiner on Saturday July 30, 2016 @08:49AM (#12192750)
Why? Whole Foods is great. For example, if you're too busy to pack your lunch, there is a great cafeteria where you can get simple food with lots of veggie options at whatever portions you want. The quality of the meat, bread, and produce is a cut above (though I hear it's just par for course in terms of what you can get in "normal" EuropeN grocery stores).
Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by mathgeek on Saturday July 30, 2016 @09:09AM (#12192818)
I think the complaint is that Whole Foods is selling you the idea that the small subset of "healthy" brands they are promoting is what you should be exclusively eating. They're a great store as far as options, but the Kool-aid they're pouring can be a little annoying at times.
Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by rayiner on Saturday July 30, 2016 @10:02AM (#12192994)
Are they? I've never seen a Whole Foods commercial or ad.
Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by superswordfish on Saturday July 30, 2016 @08:47AM (#12192742)
There are many upsetting things about Whole Foods, but the food there is pretty varied, no?
Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by finid on Saturday July 30, 2016 @08:45AM (#12192734)
How come? Food is too expensive?
Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by zajd on Saturday July 30, 2016 @08:48AM (#12192748)
The amount of marketing designed to just confuse people about what's good for them. Organic, non-gmo, gluten-free, all natural, it's like a temple for upper middle class white people to reject 50 years of food science.
Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by superswordfish on Saturday July 30, 2016 @09:27AM (#12192878)
That woo is everywhere now though. Not sure why you're bringing race into it.
Re:How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf] by finid on Saturday July 30, 2016 @05:31PM (#12194776)
> it's like a temple for upper middle class white people to reject 50 years of food science.

I wonder what you mean by that...

Those designations (organic, non-gmo, gluten-free, natural) have their place. The practice of it is where consumers get cheated.