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Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by baron816 on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:20PM (#11717536)
The biggest reason people in the US don't vote is because they don't have enough options so they never get to choose people they really care about. Plus, no individual vote matters. This all has to do with our winner-take-all elections. Countries with proportional representation have much higher voter turnout rates (often in the 80-90% range). That's because you get to vote for the person or party you want, and they'll at least still get a seat in government even if they're just in the opposition. But you still have an incentive to get out and vote and make their position stronger. There are no lost causes or strategic voting.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by JacobJans on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:35PM (#11717667)
One of the worst lies perpetuated by the media is that the presidential election is the only one that really matters. There are so many elections that have a direct impact on your life that you can participate in – state, city, and county election. These are not generally very partisan. Sadly, local elections often don't have enough options simply because there aren't enough politicians standing for election.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by dragonwriter on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:39PM (#11717700)
> One of the worst lies perpetuated by the media is that the presidential election is the only one that really matters.

The problems with the electoral system effect all offices which are elected by either plurality or majority/runoff, not just those for Presidential electors. This includes all members of Congress, most Governors and statewide elected officials, most state legislators, most mayors and other elected local executive officers, and the many city and county legislative officers (city council, county supervisors, etc.) that are elected in single-member districts.

There's some of the latter that are elected in vote for N and the top N win elections, which tend to provide slightly more choice, but still less choice (and less effective democratic representation of the choices made) than proportional election.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by TylerE on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @10:46PM (#11719364)
Douglas Adams got this so right so long ago.

Paraphrasing: "The job of the galactic president is not to wield power, but to draw attention away from it."

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by nathancahill on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @10:48PM (#11719373)
A tired old bumper sticker quote that I wholeheartedly agree with. Right along with Mark Twain's "If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it."
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by ilanco on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @01:14AM (#11719913)
Also spot on from Douglas Adams.

Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by hackuser on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:10PM (#11717945)
> One of the worst lies perpetuated by the media is that the presidential election is the only one that really matters.

I haven't seen this suggested in the media.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by yompers888 on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:36PM (#11718164)
Parent might be saying the media supports this fallacy by the amount of coverage given.

With the huge number of resources available online for information, I would suggest that the perception of media as only covering presidential elections means that you need to work a little harder and find news sources that give you more valuable content. And if your desired news source doesn't exist, think about making it. For example, my hometown is a town of 20,000 people in a beautiful part of the country, but it suffers from being, at best, a bedroom community for nearby hospitals and colleges since 2008 finally ended the industrial presence. There's a guy there who has decided that he's going to give the town news, and he does fantastically well. He has a facebook page with 10000 followers (remember, the town is only 20000) and summarized positions of all the candidates for the recent city council and school board elections. All his posts have substantial discussions in the comments. In recent months I've had great discussions with high school classmates about where the town is headed, which wouldn't have happened before this facebook page (because we didn't have the information.) We also take a pretty active interest in the town, despite the fact that we all live 500-3000 miles away these days.

That turned into a bit of show and tell. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are people interested in local coverage if it's substantial.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by avivo on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @10:26PM (#11719298)
That's a really great story. I'm curious if this guy gets paid at all for this, if he just does it in addition to a day job, and perhaps family, etc. Can you share the link to his page?

I'm also also curious if there (ever) was a town newspaper.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by yompers888 on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @11:43PM (#11719571)
Actually, there still is a town newspaper! I used to read it through every morning, which took very little time considering its size. I feel that this guy covers local politics much better than the local paper ever did. He also shares some interesting events, and does so quickly. Plus, with his updates, you really feel like there's stuff going on, despite it being a small, pretty sleepy town.

Here's the link: http://facebook.com/Waynesboro

I haven't contacted the guy, but I believe he does it on the side. I've been meaning to get in touch with him to learn about him and maybe coordinate with him. The town is looking very seriously at building a new high school on the outskirts of town, losing the current strong location and sending the town deep into debt in the process, which they justify because the current school has some leaks in the roof and, as a 1930s building, doesn't have any flashy new technology built into the classrooms. I've talked with some friends at length about this, and we all had pretty much the same feelings. The last thing you want to do is encourage teachers to spend less time at the board, and more showing PowerPoint; centuries-old buildings are perfectly good places for class, as each of us experienced in college; and they're desperately looking for a cure-all, when the reality is that you have a major demographics shift when you no longer have the huge DuPont plant keeping a herd of engineers in town.

On the other hand, it's a beautiful location, it's incredibly cheap to live and buy a home, and the town has been shifting its development patterns in the last ten or so years. The long lost downtown area is coming back to life, streets are being built with bike space, and narrower so cars are less encouraged to speed, and they're starting to emphasize the great parks, river, and proximity to the mountains.

Finally, when you go there, you're struck by how much a single person could really turn the whole place around and onto an incredible trajectory.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by ncraun on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @12:19AM (#11719702)
Never thought I'd run into another person from Waynesboro on Hacker News of all places. But, I guess I'm here so there's at least two of us. Small world after all.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by akio on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:16PM (#11718000)
It may not be intentional, but it is implied by the widely unbalanced attention given to the presidential election.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by untog on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @08:22PM (#11718758)
There's a tail wagging the dog argument here - in the US, the media are still a profit generating industry, so they're driven by what people want to watch/read. And that means the Presidential candidates. And, in 2016, Trump.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by luizlopes on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @07:09PM (#11718378)
I couldn't agree more. Local elections matter a lot. Especially when local elections in places like Seattle, WA are generating insane amounts of campaign money.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by enraged_camel on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @01:12AM (#11719906)
Local elections matter, but the direction of the country is determined at the federal level. That's why there's so much media coverage of it.

That, and the Supremacy Clause. Whatever local laws you vote for are superseded by federal law. By definition, this means federal elections matter a lot more than local elections (even though local elections have a more immediate short-term impact on the populace).

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by maxwelljoslyn on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @01:54AM (#11720045)
I don't know much about law. If that's the case, how does legal marijuana work in Oregon, Colorado, Washington, and other legal states? Is it federally illegal but the feds just don't interfere?
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by turkeysandwich on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @03:11AM (#11720296)
Yes, that's exactly the situation.

Hopefully the federal government deschedules marijuana soonish.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by r00fus on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @07:11PM (#11718384)
Presidential elections have what are called coattails [1], ie, the act like major marketing campaigns that drag voters into the booths so smaller-electorate candidates get votes due to that.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coattail_effect

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by samstave on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:26PM (#11718094)
We need a TV channel/website that simply states the facts of the positions each politician holds, where they are from, when their elections are coming up and their voting record based on their supposed stance.

There are SO many things that we can do.

We invest supposedly in physical and technical infra, but never in political....

THAT is the revolution I want to see.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by dublinben on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:50PM (#11718265)
Every campaign website I have ever seen clearly explains the candidates position on all relevant issues. If you are looking for third party sources, you can also see the information compiled be VoteSmart.org and OnTheIssues.org.

Your state's Secretary of State office will list upcoming elections, and BallotPedia.org collects many of these.

The resources are already out there and available. It says something that you didn't even know that though.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by samstave on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @07:18PM (#11718423)
Thank you, let me amend my statement and we just need to better educate people on where to find this info.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by specialist on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @12:59AM (#11719863)
Some of the struggle is due to silly arcana. For example, the local deadline for submitting candidate statements is immediately after filing week, but before endorsements can be known. So crucial signals voters rely on are often missing.

The only fix is to keep pushing for improvements. Explain the problems to the gatekeepers, lobby for change.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by dragonwriter on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @07:19PM (#11718432)
> We need a TV channel/website that simply states the facts of the positions each politician holds

Even the politicians themselves don't portray this consistently, so the "facts" of that are often subject to doubt.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by MikeNomad on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @10:54PM (#11719390)
If you want to watch the sausage being made in real-time, there are a couple of channels of C-SPAN.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by facetube on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @12:11AM (#11719671)
Oregon has this, but not on television. There's a voter information book that's mailed to anyone who has a mailbox, a couple weeks before ballots go out. It contains non-partisan descriptions of issues, candidate-provided statements, and arguments for/against with a verified source for each. IIRC anyone can pay some small amount of money to have a position/argument included.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:58PM (#11717831)
Relatively newly-minted American here. A unified election calendar and ballot database would be helpful.

The number of local (especially community budgeting, judicial and special district) elections I've missed out of ignorance, despite checking New York City's Board of Elections website, is nuts. Furthermore, there seems to be an expectation that voters blindly vote along party lines. Almost every election there will be a list of uncompetitive judicial runs I've never heard of, and so had no time to do any research on. The result, for those line items, is me leaving them blank.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by dta5003 on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:03PM (#11717878)
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by debracleaver on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:21PM (#11718040)
plus 1 to ballotpedia. also +1 to the need for an easy to read calendar. honestly, if someone builds something we can use, we'll put it up at vote.org and promote the heck out of it.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by cauterized on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @07:08PM (#11718373)
NYC elections are the worst. In congressional, state representative, or city council election years, there are so many candidates running in so many districts within the single media market that a TV station could cover nothing else 24/7 and still only spend a few minutes on each candidate per week. You could have an entire edition of one of the tabloids devoted to nothing but a couple paragraphs about each candidate for each race. And that's for a general election, let alone a primary.

That is, if the races were contested. Which they aren't because nobody pays attention to them. Which is in part because there's no information to be had on them even if you look for it. Stupid vicious cycle. So people vote for those offices along party lines or leave the ballots blank.

I've been thinking about trying to build something that would help solve the problem, but it's really a social problem more than a technical problem, and who has the time to go chasing down bios and position statements from hundreds of candidates every spring and fall?

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by Redoubts on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:22PM (#11718056)
Judicial elections are one of my least favorite things about American democracy. I always feel chronically underinformed, and feel weird about voting in line with what the one local newspaper has to say on the matter.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by xtreme on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:43PM (#11718219)
Coming from a country like India, I have a different opinion. We have FPTP but the voter turnout is somewhat higher (60-85% depending on the state) compared to the US. There are a large number of political parties but only three or four of them can be considered national (have representatives in more than one states). Most of the parties are local to a state or a relatively small community (often a caste) and tries to appease their voter base as much as possible.

This system definitely allows smaller communities to be heard on the national stage, but it also frequently leads to situations where no single party or pre-election coalitions have enough representatives to form a government (they need at least 50% seats). As a result, coalitions are often formed between unlikely partners who are ideologically worlds apart. Parties forming a coalition at a state level while disparaging their partner at the federal level is quite common, and the number of hoops the politicians jumps through to justify their positions is hilariously sad.

Due to this coalition politics, often important legislation can't be passed as it is difficult to make any progress while satisfying all the partners. The government is also prone to "blackmail" from coalition partners who often threaten to withdraw support unless their demands are met. In a two-party system, at least things move. In a multi-party scenario, there is always a risk of a complete deadlock.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by baron816 on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @07:07PM (#11718371)
Congress is as deadlocked as can be. We have a system in which the President, the Speaker of the House, the Majority Leader in the Senate, the Supreme Court, the Majority in the House, the Majority in the Senate, the Majority of the Majority in the House, the Majority of the Majority in the Senate, and 41% of the Senate can stop a bill from becoming law or nullify it.

Add that the districts are drawn by elected officials and easily and regularly manipulated to give parties disproportionate power and we end up with a situation where very few people in a very big country are able to completely disrupt the political system and hold the sovereign debt (and the economic stability of the world for that matter) hostage in order to try to take health care away from poor people.

I can't speak much about the political system of India, but I think it's quite evident that with the rise of politicians like Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, people are very dissatisfied with the politicians we've been electing. And by virtue of that, the way we've been electing them.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by dragonwriter on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @07:22PM (#11718446)
> I can't speak much about the political system of India, but I think it's quite evident that with the rise of politicians like Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, people are very dissatisfied with the politicians we've been electing.

Bernie Sanders is a politician that's been being elected to federal office for quite a long time.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by WalterBright on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:53PM (#11717799)
Elections where the polls indicate the race is close, and the candidates have starkly different patterns, have high voter turnout. Where one candidate has a big lead, or the platforms are more or less indistinguishable, there's low turnout.

Voters are doing a simple cost/benefit analysis weighing the cost of taking the time to vote vs the impact their vote will have.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by st3v3r on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:21PM (#11718036)
The problem is, its extremely rare that all of the elections taking place that day are like that.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by Apofis on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @07:39PM (#11718532)
Absolutely, honestly, I would turn out to vote for Bernie Sanders, but that is seeming to be less likely as time progresses. So, I won't be voting at all, since I could care less if either Clinton or Trump get elected. Clinton gets elected and the status quo doesn't change very much, Trump gets elected, and maybe---just maybe some people will begin to sit up and take action.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by lewisl9029 on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @09:10PM (#11718984)
This stance I sometimes hear from Sanders supporters (and I'm one of them, though not a US citizen myself) completely baffles me.

Why would a Sanders supporter want to risk putting someone like Trump in office (through inaction)? Asides from maybe the anti-establishment aspect, Trump and his proposed policies spits in the face of everything Sanders stands for. Even if we ignore his own dangerous, egomaniac tendencies, having a Republican president in office with a supreme court nomination on the line could easily undo all the progress (however little) the US has made in areas like healthcare, marriage equality, minority rights, gun regulation, climate change, etc, and very possibly even regress on certain areas.

There's so much at stake in this election and a Trump presidency will be absolutely disastrous for not just the US, but the entire world.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by krisroadruck on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @11:29PM (#11719510)
It's probably confusing to you because you don't understand that there are people who dislike Hillary and Trump in equal measures. I think either will be a complete disaster but seeing as how it looks like I have no alternatives I refuse to dignify the election by wasting my time voting between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. The idea of vote for Hillary because she is slightly less evil than trump or the reverse is just not something I'm willing to do. They are both scum and I can't stomach endorsing either one in some kind of crazy game of russian roulette.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by Apofis on Thursday May 19, 2016 @11:45AM (#11731068)
Precisely my point!
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by danenania on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @08:06PM (#11718682)
In the case of Trump getting elected, you're assuming that we'd still have anything that resembles a democracy four years later and that the people who'd supposedly be ready to take action wouldn't be thrown in jail or disappeared or suppressed via collective violence.

Resigning oneself to naked fascism with the idea that it could somehow lead to more progress down the line is quite the gamble. Perhaps it could work out, but you're playing with some serious fire.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by vintermann on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @02:34AM (#11720178)
Trump isn't Mussolini. He's more Berlusconi, if you want to stay in Italy.

It's anyone's guess how Trump would actually rule, but throwing dissenters in jail would be admitting defeat on his only real core value, which is that he's so great that he always gets his way on charisma and "negotiation skill".

Other than that, I do agree that "it must get worse before it can get better" is bad policy, since the former is usually a lot more reliable than the latter.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by LionessLover on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @05:00AM (#11720630)
Wow, you would make a great fiction author!
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by shifter on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @09:08PM (#11718974)
Perhaps you don't care about social issues but there is a world of difference between the presumptive candidates' positions. Do you care about the fate of women and minorities?
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by beedogs on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @03:06AM (#11720284)
> I won't be voting at all, since I could care less if either Clinton or Trump get elected.

That's a pretty ignorant attitude.

The next President will be appointing 2-3 SCOTUS judges and a slew of Federal judges. You're totally cool with letting Trump pick those people?

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by eanzenberg on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:07PM (#11717914)
I believe the stronger reason is your presidential election vote won't matter in most states where the contest is already decided. So a candidate winning 70-30 vs. 60-40 doesn't make a difference.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by manachar on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:09PM (#11717940)
Voter turnout is higher in our presidential elections when a person's vote is generally worth less.

People SHOULD be voting at the local level where their votes still matter quite a bit, but generally don't through an interesting combination of apathy and ignorance (e.g. few people actually know who their rep on the city council is and what their basic platform is).

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by slavik81 on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:22PM (#11718054)
Unfortunately, limited information is an inherent consequence of scale. There's much better media coverage of national issues. If I read The Economist, they may provide insight into the presidential candidates. They do not have news about my candidates for city council.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by manachar on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:28PM (#11718103)
Which is really odd to think about. Super local newspapers used to be the norm, but as the conglomerates got bigger the number of papers fell so they no longer had the space to cover the truly local news.

A variety of web sites have tried to fill the need, but the money needed for local news far exceeds the revenue they're able to generate.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by dragonwriter on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @08:37PM (#11718837)
Theres much more media coverage of national issues, but better may not be a warranted conclusion.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by hackuser on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:25PM (#11718075)
> I believe the stronger reason is your presidential election vote won't matter in most states where the contest is already decided. So a candidate winning 70-30 vs. 60-40 doesn't make a difference.

Your vote, win or lose, also communicates very important messages:

1) 'I vote, and people in my community vote'. If you don't vote then why the hell should the politician care what you want? Does McDonalds care about the opinions of people who don't eat fast food? You think they should put more healthy options on their menu? 'So what? Who are you? Stop wasting my time.' The same goes for your community: If your community doesn't vote, then why would anyone address its concerns? In a world of 50% turnout, imagine the attention a community would get if 95% voted - on every issue, they'd be wondering, 'what does neighborhood X think? how does it affect them?'

2) It expresses a political outlook. A politician who sees their constituents vote 80-20 for Clinton over Trump is going to behave much differently than one who sees a 55-45 vote.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by nitrogen on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:54PM (#11718281)
There are much better ways we could design systems for expressing these preferences than the relative proportions of a losing vote.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by hackuser on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @07:00PM (#11718322)
I agree, but this is all we have to work with in 2016 ...
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by danieltillett on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @05:59PM (#11717841)
Countries with compulsory voting [1] mange to get this even higher without having proportional representation.

1. At least in Australia we have compulsory registration and compulsory visiting the polling station on the Election Day - if you don't want to vote you don't really have to.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by _asummers on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @08:12PM (#11718706)
Voting has to be a federal holiday before we can make it compulsory, I feel. Or we just mail everyone ballots like Oregon does.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by danieltillett on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @09:13PM (#11718992)
Or you do like we do in Australia and hold the elections on a weekend :)
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by RijilV on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @10:28PM (#11719308)
You've never been to a bar/coffee house/grocery store/etc on a weekend? Lots of people work the weekend, often it is those who are paid less and have more rigid schedules. Also you run into religious days where some are not able to perform work.

Honestly it is a hard one to mandate as a single few hour window on a single day. Someone has to be working at hospitals for example.

Maybe it should be election week

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by vacri on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @02:08AM (#11720100)
It already is 'election week' in Australia. You can vote early, and you can postal-vote. The weekend vote is much easier to get the masses out voting, because most people don't have work (or school) to deal with on the weekend. At the last federal election I voted on the Wednesday beforehand, simply because I was passing by an early voting station.

And the queues at Australian voting stations on The Day aren't anywhere near as long as in the US. I've heard some horror stories where some people have had to wait 4+ hours (on a Tuesday) to vote in the US.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by nommm-nommm on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @10:19AM (#11722119)
I've never seen a queue at a polling station more than a couple of people long in the US. I don't live in the South though.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by NathanOsullivan on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @11:18PM (#11719468)
In Australia you are permitted to either vote early in person, or submit your vote by post if you are unable to vote on polling day due to work.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by DrScump on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:25PM (#11718082)
Even if an individual doesn't see distinctions between prominent candidates, there are usually "downballot" offices, local measures, and local tax measures to vote on.

A ballot isn't an exam -- you don't get penalized for not filling out every element. Voters should be encouraged to vote only on the elements they understand.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by hackuser on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:09PM (#11717936)
> The biggest reason people in the US don't vote ...

It seems plausible, but is there some data to back up this theory?

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by baron816 on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:27PM (#11718097)
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&e...

There have been a number of studies on the relationship and they all seem to point to a positive correlation between PR and voter turnout.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by harryh on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @08:30PM (#11718798)
positive correlation != biggest reason
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by dp107 on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @03:29AM (#11720342)
This is entirely true. PR is the reason democratic movements in countries like Spain and Greece are able to achieve power -- because positive feedback loops manifest between activism and electoral politics -- in ways that simply can't happen here.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by alexnewman on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @02:02AM (#11720070)
my vote doesnt count
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by e40 on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:30PM (#11718110)
The biggest reason people in the US don't vote is because they don't have enough options so they never get to choose people they really care about.

Sorry, this is complete malarky. The calculus of voting is: vote for the least of two evils. If we had 100% voting and everyone did this, the politicians would get better over time, because they would learn that being a certain way would result in failure. The general pool of would-be politicians would learn that maybe it would be OK to run since more normal people are winning.

It's that damn simple. Everything else is an excuse to service some BS idea.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by woodman on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @08:34PM (#11718814)
Here are two shit sandwiches, one with onions and one with pickles. If you eat enough then the chef will eventually figure out your favorite kind of sandwich, but if you refuse then you are a selfish lazy jerk.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by beambot on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:34PM (#11718143)
Abstaining is a form of voting, regardless of whether you consider it "some BS idea."
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by Thrymr on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @07:12PM (#11718392)
A representative present for a roll call and explicitly abstaining is a form of voting. A citizen staying home on election day is indistinguishable from apathy.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by marxmarv on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @07:29PM (#11718479)
Sounds like you've made the choice to see it as apathy.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by facetube on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @04:35AM (#11720552)
Would submitting a signed but completely blank absentee ballot be somehow more acceptable to you?
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by LionessLover on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @12:08AM (#11719660)
I vote that your opinion is not one iota more valuable than that of any non-voter. People like you really should be forced to look into a mirror an hour each day.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by vacri on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @02:12AM (#11720113)
How are you going to force Thrymyr to look in the mirror for an hour per day, if you can't even get someone out to vote? Who would be motivated enough to apply that penalty?
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by LionessLover on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @05:06AM (#11720646)
I vote that your opinion is not one iota more valuable than that of any non-voter. People like you really should be forced to look into a mirror an hour each day.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by vacri on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @07:14AM (#11721087)
Non-sequitors make for poor trolling.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by e40 on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @10:56AM (#11722406)
You are just handing power to others, when you refuse to vote. It's that simple.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by woodman on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @06:51PM (#11726659)
No, in that case they are taking power - you haven't handed over anything. It is not a distinction without a difference, "...consent of the governed." etc.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by reddytowns on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @06:03AM (#11720820)
The problem is not "being a certain way" leads to not raising enough money to compete, and/or being ignored by the media.

It's not an equation, but rather one gigantic shit show designed to stir emotion, bought and paid for by those who have money, and they give it to both sides.

Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by e40 on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @10:56AM (#11722403)
And you are not using the only power you have. The shitshow is designed to get you not to vote. When fewer people vote, it's easier to control the remaining minority.
Re:Vote.org is a non-profit that wants to get the U.S. to 10... by reddytowns on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @07:47PM (#11726943)
Do you really think that just getting enough people to vote is going to fix the situation?

It's like a 140 lb weakling being squashed by a 300 lb sumo wrestler and you're telling him to just squirm more.