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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by rplnt on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @10:59AM (#11337058)
I don't remember new Pepsi, but new Coke had a huge backslash which lead to pulling the product off the market, reversing back to original formula. And if I remember correctly, this original Coke, dubbed Coca-Cola Classic saw much better sales than the same coke did before that. Making people wonder if the new coke fiasco wasn't intentional.
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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by jhawk28 on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @11:03AM (#11337097)
They didn't actually use the original formula. They used the opportunity to switch from Cane sugar to Corn Syrup. Since people didn't have the ability to taste the difference any more, no one noticed. This let them cut the cost of a major ingredient which then translated into profit. They gained a LOT more from the failed product.
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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by brianmersenne on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @11:59AM (#11337483)
The sweetener isn't part of the Coca-Cola formula (or more specifically, isn't part of the Coca-Cola concentrate). Coca-Cola provides unsweetened concentrate to independent bottlers, and the bottlers add high fructose corn syrup, sugar, or both during the bottling process. Some US Coca-Cola bottlers still only use sugar for sweetener.
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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by ksherlock on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @12:29PM (#11337717)
Ahh, that's interesting. I remember Coke (KO) bought out the US distribution/bottling from Coca Cola Enterprises (CCE) in 2010 but Wikipedia says 5-10% of US Coke is still bottled by a handful of independent bottlers.

Allegedly, Kosher For Passover Coke (which should be available soon if not already) uses sugar.

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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by cbr on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @01:03PM (#11337980)
Yes, Coke that's kosher for Passover can't contain grain, including corn, so they use sugar.

Some history: http://time.com/3769657/coke-passover-kosher/

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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by ashmud on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @02:32PM (#11338763)
Also, so called Mexican Coke is made with sugar. Though not necessarily all Coke sold in Mexico.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Coke

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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by vonmoltke on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @12:24PM (#11337671)
No, but the formula needs to be adjusted for different sweeteners in order to keep the same final flavor.
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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by mywittyname on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @11:18AM (#11337190)
And decades later, we all still talk about it. Classic Coke is so awesome that it cannot be changed because EVERYBODY WILL REVOLT!

Achieving that level of mythos about a product is an astonishing accomplishment.

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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @11:21AM (#11337216)
They revolt if they know its happening. Even today Coke has lots of different recipes. A bottle is very different from a fountain machine at a restaurant for instance. And folks don't get out the torches and pitchforks.
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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by thaumasiotes on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @12:01PM (#11337496)
I want to contrast this with your (!) earlier comment:

> Maybe they [Kraft] worried too much. Even though the change was written on the box, nobody noticed or commented. That's how much people cared.

I agree with the comment I'm responding to; I think Kraft was completely correct to worry, for exactly the reason you state here.

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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @12:15PM (#11337599)
But it played out differently here. Kraft mentioned it; nobody blinked. They made the change and marked it on the box; nobody commented. That's a very different result than Coke's experience.
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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by thaumasiotes on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @08:12PM (#11341022)
And I think we can attribute that to the strategy Kraft used to specifically avoid what happened to Coke. What if Kraft had made the change and announced it?
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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by Coincoin on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @12:01PM (#11337490)
Yeah, I don't see how it's possible for all fountains to get the exact same syrup and gas concentrations. Especially with ice and temperature also being factors.
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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by kale on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @12:37PM (#11337765)
They use different sweeteners in bottled Diet Coke and fountain Diet Coke. Bottled Diet Coke uses aspartame, while fountain uses a combination (one being AceK, can't remember the other(s)).
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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by bosdev on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @12:18PM (#11337624)
> don't see how it's possible

It could be computerized pretty easily, it's just not.

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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by DanBC on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @11:25AM (#11337250)
The switch to HFCS started 5 years before New Coke. Some bottlers were already using only HFCS at the time New Coke happened.
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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by rplnt on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @11:37AM (#11337339)
The switch happened here like two years ago (or less), and I couldn't notice any difference. But I don't drink Coke more than once or twice per month, so perhaps that helped me (to not notice the change).
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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by rangibaby on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @11:10AM (#11337146)
> Coca-Cola Classic saw much better sales than the same coke did before that. Making people wonder if the new coke fiasco wasn't intentional.

They're not that dumb, and they're not that smart.

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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by themodelplumber on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @11:31AM (#11337299)
> new Coke had a huge backslash

Sadly no appropriate MS-DOS jokes come to mind

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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by rangibaby on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @12:27PM (#11337701)
Rambling ahead: the spot occupied by \ is the ¥ mark on Japanese keyboards. I mention it because a Windows 98 toaster I used for Myspace and transferring songs to my iPod displayed paths like this: C:¥foo¥bar¥. Which reminds me of another adventure:

The Japanese keyboard I use requires pressing shift to get a tilde (the tilde spot is occupied by a key to switch input methods on some keyboards and nothing on others).

Tilde opens the console in Doom 3, and it didn't like having it on a shifted character, and there was no way of rebinding the key. Long story short, I had to change the key in the source and recompile it to something else. Thanks id for open sourcing your games :-)

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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by themodelplumber on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @01:13PM (#11338063)
That's cool, I remember the yen signs. I lived in Japan for a while and studied Japanese but have never used an actual Japanese keyboard (just various IMEs over the years). What keyboard do you use?

[/guy who was just modding NIBBLES.BAS yesterday]

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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by rangibaby on Wednesday March 23, 2016 @03:42AM (#11342740)
I mainly use the small Apple keyboards, which are the OADG 109 key layout minus the numpad.

Symbols are in different places compared to overseas keyboards (@ is to the right of P and doesn't require pressing shift, and ctrl and caps lock are swapped). It's not a problem except with old or lazy apps that expect them to be in a certain places, like my DOOM3 example.

There are a bunch of different Japanese layouts actually, a Japanese company makes keyboards with blank caps so you can use which ever one you like:

http://www.pfusystems.com/embedded-keyboard/hhkb/index.html

There is kana input, but I have yet to meet someone who uses that instead of an IME. I see a lot of people using it on their phones, though.

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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by protomyth on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @11:15AM (#11337172)
Pepsi changed the formula for Diet Pepsi in Aug 2015. The change was mainly to remove the aspartame and substitute Splenda. Some folks are very unimpressed.
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Re:Kraft Reveals Revamped Mac and Cheese, 50M Boxes Later by abawany on Tuesday March 22, 2016 @12:26PM (#11337696)
I just bought many cases of the new Diet Pepsi with sucralose after learning of this change. I found the protests regarding the change from aspartame to sucralose to be hilarious: in my opinion Diet Pepsi used to be the worst tasting Pepsi and the move to sucralose seems to have improved the flavor considerably AFAICT.
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