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Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by incepted on Friday March 18, 2016 @06:44PM (#11315847)
State the one you want, not the one you're currently making. They won't (and legally should't be able to) check.

And if they do and somehow, your previous employer disclosed this to them (a big no no), you can always say "I was underpaid then and what I was making there is not relevant to the position I'm applying to with your right now. I also think I've learned a lot in my past position, which justifies this jump in compensation".

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by timechanic on Friday March 18, 2016 @09:49PM (#11316796)
I've only ever done this (caveat: in the US, where they can't legally check by calling the company directly). Increase your previous salary by 20-30%, even more if it's the norm. I've even countered with "my current co just countered to keep me..." Gotta have some chutzpah.
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by stale2002 on Friday March 18, 2016 @11:33PM (#11317160)
Shoot thats a good one I need to add to my list! Fake counteroffer from own employer. (Fake competing offer from a different company probably wouldn't work, because they would ask for an "offer letter". A counteroffer from current company isn't going to require proof)
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by jwatte on Saturday March 19, 2016 @12:37AM (#11317325)
I'm all for solid negotiating tactics, but if you consider telling an untruth, you are not welcome on my team.

You may still find other teams in the world that you can dupe, but in the end, I expect lies to hurt your overall prospects (in life as well as work.)

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by cname on Saturday March 19, 2016 @01:50AM (#11317504)
Really? Because people are so honest? Everyone on your team tells lies every single day, I guarantee it.

What you're saying contradicts the common advice to oversell yourself (AKA "fake it til you make it").

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by helicase on Sunday March 20, 2016 @12:41AM (#11321838)
I always find it amusing when people refuse to lie on certain things based on some sort of moral-code or principle and then spew out lies for tons of others.
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by incepted on Saturday March 19, 2016 @05:10PM (#11320465)
> I'm all for solid negotiating tactics, but if you consider telling an untruth, you are not welcome on my team.

Do you seriously think your team is made of 100% people who only ever tell the truth?

Let's get realistic, we all tell lies here and there. What matters is what you lie about and why you do it.

I couldn't care less if a developer joins my team and lied to get a higher compensation. All I care about is whether they are a good hire and if they'll do good work.

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by stale2002 on Saturday March 19, 2016 @02:29AM (#11317587)
The whole point is that its impossible to verify....
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by Panoramix on Saturday March 19, 2016 @08:08AM (#11318222)
Unverifiable makes it hard to believe as well (unless the numbers were reasonable to start with).

But there's an easy check, should they care to do it: call their current manager.

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by learc83 on Saturday March 19, 2016 @05:45PM (#11320621)
If I'm doing the hiring, I wouldn't expect a candidate to let me talk to their current manager--that's just insane.

If I thought the employee was worth the extra money they were asking for, I'd give it to them. If not, I'd let them walk. Whether their current job is considering matching their offer doesn't really matter to me.

If a candidate asks for a specific salary, I don't care why they want it. I only care whether I think they are worth it, and whether I can afford it.

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by angelbob on Saturday March 19, 2016 @01:36PM (#11319473)
Are you certain everybody on your side of the negotiation is fully truthful? Do you include management, HR and recruiters in "everybody"?

If so, you're not talking to your recruiters. You should find out more about what your side of this negotiation looks like to a candidate.

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by incepted on Friday March 18, 2016 @11:49PM (#11317199)
That's an awesome retort, never thought of that!
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by Johnnybe on Saturday March 19, 2016 @09:24AM (#11318406)
I have had a company request a previous paystub. I guess you could Photoshop that.
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by HR0000000 on Friday March 18, 2016 @07:57PM (#11316293)
It's absolutely not at all illegal to check and is a very standard part of background checks.
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by gnoway on Friday March 18, 2016 @08:23PM (#11316444)
Not sure why this was downvoted, it's not illegal and companies do it via background checks.

Quick searches reveal this is a popular question, spot checks of the answers agree that it's not illegal and quite common.

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by learc83 on Friday March 18, 2016 @09:12PM (#11316663)
I think the OP means they can't legally access this information other than by getting you or your previous employer to disclose it.

Most large companies won't give out your past salary information, so if they don't force you to provide proof, it's not very likely they will be able to verify it.

>via background checks

Background checks are normally done via a 3rd party background check company, and they don't have access to this kind of data.

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by mdpopescu on Saturday March 19, 2016 @01:41AM (#11317487)
When I was hired by Merrill Lynch, in Dublin, they asked for my bank statements for the last ten years in order to verify that I was indeed making what I said. (The only annoying thing was that I had to scan 75 pages... boooring.)
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by ec109685 on Saturday March 19, 2016 @12:40PM (#11319177)
If they don't trust the number you were quoting, I wonder why they would trust you to scan.
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by franbulax on Sunday March 20, 2016 @08:23AM (#11322657)
Wow, seriously? Full rectal as well?
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by mdpopescu on Monday March 21, 2016 @11:22AM (#11328677)
It was the first time I worked for a bank; I just assumed it's "how things are done" :)

I'm going to be more careful next time. :D

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by incepted on Friday March 18, 2016 @11:46PM (#11317192)
Exactly, thanks for clarifying this for me.

In the US, this is a legal minefield and when a potential employer calls a past employer for references, that past employer will very often not reveal anything more than "We can confirm that this person was employed by us from date1 to date2" and that's it.

They will not disclose your salary, what you did, your organization, who you reported to and who reported to you, your performance reviews and anything else of that nature because all of this extra information is grounds for you to sue them later if you don't get the job you're currently applying to.

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by nommm-nommm on Saturday March 19, 2016 @02:03AM (#11317531)
>Background checks are normally done via a 3rd party background check company, and they don't have access to this kind of data.

Yes they do. There's a company owned by Equifax called The Work Number that collects such information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Work_Number

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by learc83 on Saturday March 19, 2016 @05:33PM (#11320565)
The only way The Work Number has access to your salary information is if your employer has given it to them. If your employer is willing to give that out then yes a hiring company can verify your salary.

We are back to my original point that the only way a hiring company can verify salary data is by asking your employer (or having 3rd party ask for them) or forcing you to verify it.

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by cmdrfred on Friday March 18, 2016 @09:32PM (#11316724)
Why is it that "What are you making are your current job, we will verify it." is acceptable but "What was this companies net revenue last quarter" is not. The game is so clearly rigged.
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by p4wnc6 on Saturday March 19, 2016 @11:51AM (#11318952)
The company bears far less risk than the employee. The company can easily fire you if it doesn't work out, whereas most employees can't suddenly leave a job that treats them badly.

So employees can ask lots of questions about company financial health, as part of trying to reduce the far larger risk they are taking.

Meanwhile, a company doesn't need to know your salary history to make an informed opinion of whether they want to hire you and for what amount of pay.

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by tamana on Friday March 18, 2016 @09:34PM (#11316734)
Public companies publish quarter results..
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by cmdrfred on Friday March 18, 2016 @10:38PM (#11316997)
According to Forbes: "less than 1 percent of the 27 million businesses in the U.S. are publicly traded on the major exchanges." [1]

[1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/sageworks/2013/05/26/4-things-yo...

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by learc83 on Saturday March 19, 2016 @05:37PM (#11320583)
That's true but far more than 1% of employees are employed by publicly traded companies. Most of the 27 million businesses have no employees at all--there are only around 5 million businesses with employees.
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by chucksmash on Saturday March 19, 2016 @09:47AM (#11318482)
What do you mean that this is a big no-no? Can you provide a source for that? I was under the opposite impression and I'd be interested to learn more.

The reason I ask is I've certainly worked at companies that shared salary info if asked about your tenure there. In fact, it was one of the very few things they would share (in addition to start date and end date). Maybe it varies by state?