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Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by timechanic on Friday March 18, 2016 @09:49PM (#11316796)
I've only ever done this (caveat: in the US, where they can't legally check by calling the company directly). Increase your previous salary by 20-30%, even more if it's the norm. I've even countered with "my current co just countered to keep me..." Gotta have some chutzpah.
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by stale2002 on Friday March 18, 2016 @11:33PM (#11317160)
Shoot thats a good one I need to add to my list! Fake counteroffer from own employer. (Fake competing offer from a different company probably wouldn't work, because they would ask for an "offer letter". A counteroffer from current company isn't going to require proof)
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by jwatte on Saturday March 19, 2016 @12:37AM (#11317325)
I'm all for solid negotiating tactics, but if you consider telling an untruth, you are not welcome on my team.

You may still find other teams in the world that you can dupe, but in the end, I expect lies to hurt your overall prospects (in life as well as work.)

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by cname on Saturday March 19, 2016 @01:50AM (#11317504)
Really? Because people are so honest? Everyone on your team tells lies every single day, I guarantee it.

What you're saying contradicts the common advice to oversell yourself (AKA "fake it til you make it").

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by helicase on Sunday March 20, 2016 @12:41AM (#11321838)
I always find it amusing when people refuse to lie on certain things based on some sort of moral-code or principle and then spew out lies for tons of others.
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by incepted on Saturday March 19, 2016 @05:10PM (#11320465)
> I'm all for solid negotiating tactics, but if you consider telling an untruth, you are not welcome on my team.

Do you seriously think your team is made of 100% people who only ever tell the truth?

Let's get realistic, we all tell lies here and there. What matters is what you lie about and why you do it.

I couldn't care less if a developer joins my team and lied to get a higher compensation. All I care about is whether they are a good hire and if they'll do good work.

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by stale2002 on Saturday March 19, 2016 @02:29AM (#11317587)
The whole point is that its impossible to verify....
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by Panoramix on Saturday March 19, 2016 @08:08AM (#11318222)
Unverifiable makes it hard to believe as well (unless the numbers were reasonable to start with).

But there's an easy check, should they care to do it: call their current manager.

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by learc83 on Saturday March 19, 2016 @05:45PM (#11320621)
If I'm doing the hiring, I wouldn't expect a candidate to let me talk to their current manager--that's just insane.

If I thought the employee was worth the extra money they were asking for, I'd give it to them. If not, I'd let them walk. Whether their current job is considering matching their offer doesn't really matter to me.

If a candidate asks for a specific salary, I don't care why they want it. I only care whether I think they are worth it, and whether I can afford it.

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by angelbob on Saturday March 19, 2016 @01:36PM (#11319473)
Are you certain everybody on your side of the negotiation is fully truthful? Do you include management, HR and recruiters in "everybody"?

If so, you're not talking to your recruiters. You should find out more about what your side of this negotiation looks like to a candidate.

Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by incepted on Friday March 18, 2016 @11:49PM (#11317199)
That's an awesome retort, never thought of that!
Re:Ask HN: How much do you make at Amazon? Here is how much ... by Johnnybe on Saturday March 19, 2016 @09:24AM (#11318406)
I have had a company request a previous paystub. I guess you could Photoshop that.