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Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by jgrahamc on Monday February 15, 2016 @11:53AM (#11104342)
It's like the way that millennials communicate with emoji

I'm GenX and not a millennial. I don't see anything wrong with using some emoji as part of my language. I already speak a language (English) which is some bastard child of French, German, Dutch, Arabic, etc. I'm happy to add a (poo emoji) when it's appropriate.

Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by zkhalique on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:05PM (#11104410)
Emojis are fine. But I remember the first times I started seeing "LOL" and "ROTFLMAO". And I realized that the person wasn't really laughing, but they were quietly typing that on the keyboard. If you think about it, before AIM and online chat (way before texting), people hardly ever faked their emotions so much. I mean, you could fake a small laugh, but you didn't outright say that you're rolling on the floor laughing, while you weren't even cracking a smile physically. That would be impossible over the phone, and AFAIK people didn't do it over email, either. It's a product of the instant-message culture.

And it also symbolizes the disconnect between the online persona on facebook, posting all those cool photos, and the real-world person sitting by the computer all those lonely nights. The emotions and the fulfillment of the emotions have become stilted, computers now provide a superstimulus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernormal_stimulus) that replaces deep, real-life conversations with a steady stream shallow online interactions. Notifications pull us back in for more like an addictive slot machine. And our kids are ill-equipped to fight it, which is why they spend a great deal of their lives addicted to effectively meaningless communication with people who are not next to them:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/benrosen/how-to-snapchat-like-the-te...

Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by cm2012 on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:17PM (#11104507)
"lol" is an amazingly useful addition to written, casual language. It's the textual equivalent of a smile/head nod in normal conversation. Remember that in physical conversation, body language conveys 80-90% of the message - phrases like "lol" and emojis take the place of body language.
Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by tekromancr on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:33PM (#11104635)
Possibly interesting side note, I have noticed over the last few years the vocalization of 'lol' being used more and more genuinely as an affirmation of a mildly humorous situation or statement that didn't actually happen to produce a laugh. I think it started being used sarcastically or ironically, but has lost that attribute for the most part.
Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by M2Ys4U on Monday February 15, 2016 @01:09PM (#11104874)
About a decade ago one of my friends took to saying the word "sigh" (deadpan, with no intonation in his voice) instead of actually sighing. It annoyed me to no end.
Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by tremon on Monday February 15, 2016 @01:36PM (#11105062)
Yes, I noticed that too. I always thought it was a Dutch thing, since "lol" is a proper Dutch word meaning "fun".
Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by things on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:50PM (#11104752)
I've seen this mainly with non-native English speakers. It may have migrated from there too.
Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by kofejnik on Monday February 15, 2016 @02:08PM (#11105222)
In online and SMS Russian, a single ), reduced from standard :), is used so often that omitting it carries a kind of serious/angry meaning much like talking in a stern voice irl
Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by jgrahamc on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:10PM (#11104452)
If you think about it, before AIM and online chat (way before texting), people hardly ever faked their emotions so much

In the late 1980s terms like LOL were used on BBSes and on Usenet. Perhaps you just aren't old enough to remember that? :-)

Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by bdreadz on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:24PM (#11104560)
Thank you. On BBSes and even IRC /me laughs, /me <action|emotion>

Before LOL I'd use hahaha or hehehe all the time as well in IRC, Chat Rooms, BBSes, etc.

Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by Tiksi on Tuesday February 16, 2016 @12:34AM (#11108084)

  * Tiksi slaps bdreadz around a bit with a large trout.
I remember reading a study that people laugh more around other people. Anecdotally, I can definitely see this in myself. If I find something funny that isn't shared with other people, I might not outwardly laugh, and it would look like my lol, rofl, hahaha, etc isn't genuine, but with a group of people I'd probably be laughing out loud at the same thing. It might just be expressing the same emotion differently.
Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by kagamine on Tuesday February 16, 2016 @02:52AM (#11108451)
You can now try the Japanese lol: www.

It's the literal sound of a chuckle/giggle/light laughter. So when you say it aloud, you need only laugh naturally.

To see it in action go to http://nicovideo.jp and pick pretty much any video. Start watching with comments on, they scroll over the video, and marvel at the trails of www(wwwwwwwwwww).

Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by bpd1069 on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:27PM (#11104581)
also irc (EFNet) made use of emoticons, and 'lol's. The longest I remember wa ROTFLMAOASTC.
Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by Swizec on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:17PM (#11104504)
I often say "lol" in real life to denote "I appreciate your attempt at being funny and agree that it was indeed humorous, but it wasn't funny enough to laugh laugh"

Because, like, what do you do when someone puts effort into a joke and you want to give them positive reinforcement, but you're just not in a laughing mood? Or it was funny in the abstract, but you're the wrong audience?

Another approach I've seen was "Heh, that's funny." ... but I'm not sure if that's better or worse than "lol"

Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by nly on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:31PM (#11104617)
It's exceptionally rare to read the transcript of a conversation or story and to physically burst out laughing. A huge part of humour is in the context ("you had to be there") and the delivery.

The current use of "lol" and "lmao" just makes a whole lot more sense than their hijacked and literal definition... it's about replacing what would normally be subtle visual cues and gestures, which signal acknowledgement and/or encouragement, with something that is universally understood.

Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by chris_wot on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:58PM (#11104799)
Sometimes using shorthand can be disasterous for those getting to grips with it. I remember reading some time ago that someone's daughter had to explain to her mother that her friend was upset because when she wrote "I'm so sorry for your loss, lol" that lol does not stand for "lots of love".
Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by darkr on Monday February 15, 2016 @03:36PM (#11105752)
Our prime minister had the same problem, often signing off his text messages "LOL, DC". As a country, we collectively lol'd
Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by im3w1l on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:54PM (#11104773)
It seems like there is a general trend that very strong expressions get watered down over time, and we invent new expressions to replace them.
Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by notahacker on Monday February 15, 2016 @02:25PM (#11105317)
Using emojis (and acronyms, abbreviations and even to some extent memes) to augment conversation isn't the problem. Using them in such a random or repetitive way that they substitute for conversation - to the extent that some human interactions would struggle to pass a Turing test - is the problem. Twitter, where the bot feeds are often indistinguishable from the human ones, is pretty much the poster child for this sort of communication malaise.
Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by jonstokes on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:26PM (#11104568)
Gahh.. I actually don't have anything against emojis, and I use them, too. I probably agree with 90% of the pro-emojii sentiment in this sub-thread.

The emoji thing was a bad analogy and I should have just left out that clause entirely and started that sentence some other way.

Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by madaxe_again on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:28PM (#11104585)
Indeed. I actually find the fact that we've come full circle and are going back to ideograms rather fascinating.

If anything, see Japanese - Kanji are essentially ancient Chinese emoticons, which succinctly express common notions which would be far more expansive in katakana or hiragana.

I can't read the latter, but I can read Kanji - which gets me by in both China and Japan.

Emoticons are even more universal.

Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by gaur on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:25PM (#11104563)
> I already speak a language (English) which is some bastard child of French, German, Dutch, Arabic, etc.

It's a Germanic language (not a child of German), with significant lexical input from French and Latin. The input from "Dutch, Arabic, etc." is minor.

Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by tremon on Monday February 15, 2016 @01:15PM (#11104916)
But the Germanic language family is quite large; it basically describes every language spoken on the Northern Atlantic coast. You can't say "it's Germanic" and then say "it's hardly related to Dutch or German".

As for the development of the English language, I believe it derives mostly from Saxon - Frisian - Norse - French, in chronological order. I'm pretty sure Celtic should also be on that list, but I don't know in what order or to what extent.

Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by JetSetWilly on Monday February 15, 2016 @02:04PM (#11105205)
English and Dutch are similar because they share a common ancestor. But the direct influence of Dutch upon English is minimal. Relatedness and Influence are distinct concepts, the language that influenced English was an ancestor of both Dutch and English, and so the influence of Dutch itself on English has been small compared to other languages like French.
Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by gaur on Monday February 15, 2016 @05:30PM (#11106537)
> You can't say "it's Germanic" and then say "it's hardly related to Dutch or German".

That's not what I said. I said "it's Germanic" and "it's not a child of German or Dutch".

Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by KaiserPro on Monday February 15, 2016 @11:55AM (#11104351)
emoticons were annoying on MSN messenger. I'd hope that people will grow out of it, like they did back then.

but perhaps they are here to stay.

Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by cazum on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:05PM (#11104415)
I don't think MSN users grew out of emoticons, they just stopped using MSN. Facebook chat, Skype and SMS picked up where MSN left off, and all three of those have a strong emoticon game.
Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by KaiserPro on Monday February 15, 2016 @03:37PM (#11105760)
interesting, first it appears people really love emojis here, my original post lost me some karma...

second there was a massive gap in my friend group between MSN emoticons dieing out and emojis seeping in.

Perhaps my experiences are abnormal....

Re:Too many people have peed in the pool by freehunter on Monday February 15, 2016 @12:06PM (#11104426)
I don't think they'll ever go away, and that's because of the nature of short-form text communications. You need to express emotion, something language is bad at doing in short-form. Longer expressions can have great flowery emotion, but "im gonna kill you" can mean a lot of different things depending on the emoticon or emoji that follows it. And that's really important.

Some people write long messages to convey emotion. Others use ambiguous phrases and follow it up with a quick expression of emotion to set the context.