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Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by mietek on Friday January 29, 2016 @11:56PM (#11000572)
http://sens.org/. Humans need more lifespan, badly.

I’d have said AI safety, but it’s already on your list. Excellent.

I’d also have said basic income. Good to know you’re on it.

Meta-research. Academic publishing is obsolete, and knowledge should not be paywalled. How many researchers already make use of https://www.reddit.com/r/scholar or http://sci-hub.io/?

Bacteriophages. Antibiotics are running out, while phages have been tested by the Soviets, and are available as an over-the-counter treatment in certain countries.

Open-source infrastructure. How many ‘unicorns’ were only possible because of years of prior volunteer work? See @nayafia’s recent post: https://medium.com/@nayafia/how-i-stumbled-upon-the-internet...

Feynman’s and Drexler’s molecular nanotechnology. Smalley muddied the waters, and the National Research Council dropped the ball. We can do better than just nanoelectronics.

See also “Ask PG: What Is The Most Frighteningly Ambitious Idea You Have Been Pitched On?”, paying attention to the Yudkowsky Ambition scale: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4509934

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by biofox on Saturday January 30, 2016 @06:43AM (#11001524)
I couldn't agree more about funding SENS related research.

I think focusing on extended lifespan misses the point though (although it's a nice side benefit).

The diseases of old age cause more suffering than everything else combined.

Seeing people I love deteriorate to a state of constant suffering is unbearable to watch. Seeing signs of ageing in myself hammers home just how helpless I am to do anything.

I don't understand why AI safety gets more attention. We're already facing our own personal dissolution from natural causes -- a real and tangible existential threat which is already claiming people in the most torturous ways possible. To be brutally honest, I'd rather die quickly in an AI takeover than suffer decades of chronic pain and dementia... and one of these scenarios seems a lot more likely than the other.

Let's get real, take responsibility, and do something about ageing.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by pjscott on Saturday January 30, 2016 @01:34PM (#11003082)
I don't think this point gets mentioned enough: since physical degeneration due to aging is such a big risk factor for so many diseases, anything we can do to reverse that degeneration could end up being hugely effective at preventing some of the diseases of old age. And there's a surprising lack of investment in this, probably because discussions tend to get bogged down in lengthy, heated philosophical digressions about how long people should want to live.

If you're looking for medical miracles, this is a very plausible place to find them.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by pinouchon on Saturday January 30, 2016 @08:09AM (#11001675)
Reducing existential risk is not about minimizing the amount of suffering in our own lives. It's about making the lives of our potential trillions of descendants possible.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by eli_gottlieb on Saturday January 30, 2016 @10:03AM (#11002020)
There's no reason to care about "potential trillions of descendants" who don't exist, nor is there any reason to maximize the amount of humans in the universe, etc.

The "existential risk" talk tends to assume, to start with, that some wonderful, incredibly happy and nice "intergalactic civilization" of future transhumans or posthumans will exist, unless existential risks "destroy" it "in embryo" in our near-term future. Given the incredible prior improbability of intergalactic utopias, there's basically no reason to take the thought-experiment at its word or to value a particularly improbable imagined far-future over the actually-existing present and very likely near-futures.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by yummyfajitas on Saturday January 30, 2016 @02:17PM (#11003277)
The "existential risk" talk tends to assume, to start with, that some wonderful, incredibly happy and nice "intergalactic civilization" of future transhumans or posthumans will exist...

Can you cite such a person? I've read quite a few folks concerned with existential risk, and never saw this assumption before.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by eli_gottlieb on Saturday January 30, 2016 @03:50PM (#11003672)
I was under the impression it came from Nick Bostrom. And other than some assumption or some Bostromian thought-experiment, where in the world did the phrase "trillions of descendants" even come from?
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by mietek on Saturday January 30, 2016 @10:26AM (#11002127)
> I don't understand why AI safety gets more attention.

Solving AI would allow us to fix ageing, but only if we get it right. Please watch Bostrom’s TED talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/nick_bostrom_what_happens_when_our...

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by aminorex on Sunday January 31, 2016 @01:48AM (#11005529)
AI is not a question with an answer, and so will never be solved.

AI safety is not relevant to exploiting technology to ameliorate senescence.

Absent immediate focussed direct efforts in ameliorating senescence, by the time there is a level of AI technology which can make a dent in medical progress, at least a billion, probably many billion, people will have suffered and died who might otherwise have avoided that fate. And the loss of their productivity will impoverish the survivors - and so cause AI progress to suffer.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by meeper16 on Saturday January 30, 2016 @09:16AM (#11001861)
There are new companies working on applying AI to epigenetic data to extend human lifespan including this one "On a global basis and in aggregate, wet lab experiments in human biology produce one of the most important forms of data known to mankind, especially when it relates to epigenetics, genes, proteins, genomic pathways and environmental factors that can improve human health and extend human lifespan. We are a start-up with a focus on Life Sciences in the area of advanced artificial intelligence analytics connected to extending human healthspan and extending human lifespan." http://45.55.135.97/index-life.html
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by jspaulding on Saturday January 30, 2016 @02:27AM (#11000943)
> Academic publishing is obsolete

To expand upon this, it's not just publishing papers behind paywalls that is the problem. The entire system we use to advance humanities shared knowledge is broken. The Internet enables a dramatically more efficient model of scientific collaboration. The problem is academic science has been stuck with a reward system from the 17th century. And quite simply, it does not reward what we want it to reward anymore. However, there is a solution: science funders can distribute their money in a way that creates a very different set of incentives. Sadly, almost all science funders are very conservative organizations. YC Research can play a critical role in catalyzing a transition to an Internet-native model of research. My startup, Thinklab, wants to help. We're a service that helps science funders reward participation in a massively collaborative open online model of research.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by BorisVSchmid on Saturday January 30, 2016 @08:35AM (#11001722)
Can we add some nuance here? It is not like in the last few decades there has been no new knowledge generated.

Just in my own field of biology, the amount of progress we have made in understanding how cells regulate themselves (20 year ago we were still teaching DNA->RNA->PROTEINS that do stuff), how immune systems function and can be used (stem cell therapy, cancer treatments, HIV drugs) and the flow of genetic information between organisms (the advance of (whole) genome sequencing into becoming a generic tool) has been mind-boggling.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by jspaulding on Saturday January 30, 2016 @03:34PM (#11003617)
I agree -- we're making great progress. Science IS working. My point is really just that since the advent of the internet, we've had the potential of making progress much faster.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by zardo on Saturday January 30, 2016 @05:54PM (#11004185)
We are without a doubt making progress, the question is, how much more progress could we be making with a better system to organize the thoughts and efforts of scientists around the world.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by kyunbit on Sunday January 31, 2016 @11:07PM (#11009700)
I think the computer science department has used internet really well with the open source projects. But, the same can't be said of most experimental sciences. In life sciences, we sometimes wait a few years from when an idea strikes a researcher to academic publication. An open-source collaborative approach could have immensely sped up progress. Not only that, the academic papers often describe only the experiments that succeeded. Anyone trying to reproduce the result will make the same mistakes as the original authors. What a blatant waste of human brain hours!
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by rfurmani on Saturday January 30, 2016 @05:01AM (#11001322)
I agree completely about the system being broken and that innovation would be fantastic (I wrote a few paragraphs below, but in a very different direction). I'll take a close look at Thinklab, and it'd be great to see a dialogue forming here.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by jspaulding on Saturday January 30, 2016 @03:56PM (#11003709)
Great! I read your comments and have to admit I'm unfamiliar with what a "collaborative atlas" is or would be? But I certainly agree it's a big problem that scientists are only rewarded for publishing papers. There needs to be a way to reward scientists for sharing in smaller chunks -- even just an idea that might help out a peer.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by andrepd on Saturday January 30, 2016 @11:28AM (#11002447)
>The entire system we use to advance humanities shared knowledge is broken.

Okay, can you elaborate on why?

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by jspaulding on Saturday January 30, 2016 @04:03PM (#11003734)
Yes. I mean broken in the sense that the incentives of individual scientists are not aligned with what's in the best interests of science a as a whole. It's the reason scientists hoard knowledge and work in silos instead of sharing their work openly while collaborating over the internet. I've written more here: http://thinklab.com/blog/10-consequences-of-a-broken-scienti...
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by Tycho on Sunday January 31, 2016 @12:29PM (#11007065)
I wonder if scientific progress speeds up in wartime because scientists stop worrying about who gets credit and how things will affect their career and just learn to collaborate until victory is achieved.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by derrida on Saturday January 30, 2016 @01:14AM (#11000781)
> Humans need more lifespan, badly.

Do we? Or do we need more realistic perspective about death? Why quantity over quality?

Seems there's a lot of quality improvements that could be made [1]. For instance, I read recently (can't recall source) that San Fransisco's homeless is the least happy in the world. Also that the top 1% in the world make over $35K a year, but there are far happier people than exist in middle America living in poverty [2]. Looking at populations that are happier - but in poverty - is perhaps an interesting study. Imagine a cross disciplinary study between (perhaps) techniques used in epidemiology/health informatics & anthropology / the humanities.

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[1] Notice that cancer, heart-disease, Alzheimer, etc research also falls into this category - allowing people to live with less suffering.

[2] Yeah, 3 assertions, no sources, sorry - just my word & unreliable memory of something someone said in a book once folks :)

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by JoshTriplett on Saturday January 30, 2016 @01:58AM (#11000876)
> Or do we need more realistic perspective about death?

We do: we need to realize how horrible it is that we treat it so casually, rather than as a tragedy. Perhaps then we'll do something about it.

> [1] Notice that cancer, heart-disease, Alzheimer, etc research also falls into this category - allowing people to live with less suffering.

All three of which (especially the first and last) have heavy ties to aging. It isn't just about living longer; it's about not aging. We're not talking about getting a few more decades like those in your 90s; we're talking about getting a few more centuries like those in your 30s-40s. (And hopefully that will buy us enough time for the next such improvement, and the next.)

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by bambax on Saturday January 30, 2016 @07:38AM (#11001627)
Wanting to live forever has to be the apex of egoism and arrogance and all that is wrong with the human mind. Death is good because it leaves room for new people with new ideas.

Being against death reveals a profound misunderstanding about what life is about, which is: finiteness, urgency, novelty, creativity.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by elros on Saturday January 30, 2016 @10:57AM (#11002284)
I think defining other people to be "profound[ly] misunderstanding what life is about" just because they do not believe the same as you when it comes to something so fundamental and personal as one's life is much closer to "the apex of egoism and arrogance and all that is wrong with the human mind".

We don't need room for new people with new ideas, room isn't the issue: as far as we know so far, the Universe is virtually infinite. When we come around to defeating death (it's bound to eventually happen) we'll start terraforming, doing generation-ships to reach even further, and the rate of growth of human knowledge will reach an even more unimaginably fast pace.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by increment_i on Saturday January 30, 2016 @10:24AM (#11002119)
I suspect you're going to get hammered here but this is an incredibly important point. Aging and death forces the passing of the torch from the old generation to the new, and I think this is a crucial part of progress. A tragedy on par with death would be the rise of some oligarchical class of immortal technocrats, wielding power and influence for centuries on end.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by Abraln on Saturday January 30, 2016 @12:24PM (#11002728)
I can see the job description now: "75+ years of relevant experience required." At the same time, allowing the Einsteins of society to continue their work indefinitely would provide a net increase in the rate of scientific advancement. Unfortunately climbing the corporate ladder would be nearly impossible as positions would almost never go vacant. It has both pros and cons, but allowing a larger fraction of the population to be in the workforce might just outweigh the negatives.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by bpicolo on Saturday January 30, 2016 @01:37PM (#11003095)
> would provide a net increase in the rate of scientific advancement

And then we existentially argue "Does any of it matter?" :)

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by zardo on Saturday January 30, 2016 @06:01PM (#11004202)
More time to think about that too.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by Joof on Saturday January 30, 2016 @06:40PM (#11004361)
I don't think it would ever happen, but the only real counter I can think of to that is modifying our brains to have intermittent periods where they are more plastic than normal. Honestly, our current system works really really well... I still don't want to die though.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by aminorex on Sunday January 31, 2016 @01:56AM (#11005547)
Hypothetical bogey men of an imaginary dystopia should not concern you nearly so much as the loss of productive life, physical and mental decay, and the reckless violence of the hopeless which surrounds you today.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by increment_i on Sunday January 31, 2016 @01:18PM (#11007275)
A valid point, but why should the pessimistic outlook be any less likely than the utopian one? Are you sure that a major missing link between where we are now and a prosperous future for everyone is the fountain of youth? Sure, the HN'ers want the Einsteins and Feynmans of the world to live forever? But what about the Nixons, King Leopold II's, and Kim Kardashians of the world? Is it okay with you that they will be given first dibs at the antidote?

You're seeing it as the key to suffering, but its equally reasonable to view it as what it will likely become - an instrument of power.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by eli_gottlieb on Saturday January 30, 2016 @09:59AM (#11002003)
>Death is good because it leaves room for new people with new ideas.

Congratulations: you've managed to point out one of the very, very few nice things about having your body slowly but unstoppably degrade for six decades starting in your mid-20s.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by zanny on Saturday January 30, 2016 @10:10AM (#11002051)
You can add more people without destroying the information contained in their predecessors. We are on the cusp of interstellar travel, once we are no longer bound to our singular space rock our population no longer needs to have limits.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by dantheman on Saturday January 30, 2016 @10:47AM (#11002227)
Not everyone has to share your profound insight about the meaning and purpose of life.

This is a classic example of a limited rationalised mindset. Imagine how much more enriched people lives would be if they got to know their great grandparents and more. Death is a tragedy, there is nothing stopping you and others who share your beliefs from ending life at any moment they want. This is about options, think about the potential -- it would change society is so many ways.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by tomhoward on Saturday January 30, 2016 @08:36AM (#11001723)
Agreed.

Something I've been thinking about for a while is: what would it mean for peoples' willingness to save another person from a burning building, or swim to rescue someone drowning at sea, or donate a kidney, etc, if we all developed a sense of entitlement that we should be able to live forever?

When so many people at all levels of society are unable to enjoy the lives they have, I feel that life extension research is not something that should be a high priority for investment.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by aminorex on Sunday January 31, 2016 @01:53AM (#11005541)
"Wanting to live forever has to be the apex of egoism and arrogance..."

I would gladly sacrifice my life to prevent the rest of the species suffering the physical agony, mental degeneration, poverty, frustration, and violence which result from pandemic senescence.

Your moralizing aesthetic judgements do not justify the misery of billions of people, or inaction in the face of its preventable imminence.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by daemonk on Saturday January 30, 2016 @04:55AM (#11001305)
I think the key here is to introduce the concept slowly because saying "stop ageing" freaks people out. A lot of people have this idea of what "natural" means and stopping ageing just doesn't sit right with them. I think a better strategy would be to call it "eradicating diseases and higher quality of life towards the end of your life", both of which is really ageing research, but with a better spin.

We've been extending our lifespan for the last century through various technological advances. We are just continuing that trajectory, albeit at a faster pace.

This is a really great scifi short story that is kinda relevant to this: http://www.skyhunter.com/marcs/GentleSeduction.html

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by nicky0 on Saturday January 30, 2016 @02:54AM (#11001012)
Interesting. Would you do it for animals too? It would suck to live for 400 years but your dog dies in only 10.

How would people remember everything? How would you spend all that time? What would everyone do?

Is this just for rich people or do poor people get to live for centuries too?

Haven't done the math but if 8 billion people lived for say 500 years each, plus new arrivals constantly, wouldn't we accumulate rather?

What about fertility? Should there be a window on that?

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by JoshTriplett on Saturday January 30, 2016 @03:17AM (#11001079)
> Is this just for rich people or do poor people get to live for centuries too?

"centuries" is far too short-term; "forever" is the goal, and "centuries" just buys enough time to get there. And of course that lifespan should be available to everyone. If the solution itself doesn't already imply a post-scarcity world, then it'll help that once you have a cure for aging, it's more economical to supply that to everyone than to treat the myriad complications that arise from aging. It's hard to get people to fund such a cure, but it seems far simpler to get funding for "we have a proven cure, let's get it to everyone".

> How would people remember everything?

In the short term, curing aging seems likely to help greatly with many degenerative mental disorders. In the long term, I expect people will find increasingly successful ways to augment their own capabilities. I doubt I'll have the same brain structure a hundred thousand years from now that I do today, if only because I expect we'll eventually run out of effective ways to debug biology in-place.

> How would you spend all that time? What would everyone do?

What wouldn't everyone do? I don't have a finite "bucket list"; my list contains everything positive I can possibly imagine, with a sort order applied, and it will always grow faster than it shrinks. Quite apart from the rest of the universe, other people provide an unbounded source of novelty.

Do you think people thousands of years ago would have asked such questions about a 120-year lifespan, and think it sounded too long?

If you lived for ten thousand years by default, would you think it too long and decide to die at 120? How about if you lived indefinitely?

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by cyphar on Saturday January 30, 2016 @04:20AM (#11001211)
> > Is this just for rich people or do poor people get to live for centuries too?

> "centuries" is far too short-term; "forever" is the goal, and "centuries" just buys enough time to get there. And of course that lifespan should be available to everyone. If the solution itself doesn't already imply a post-scarcity world, then it'll help that once you have a cure for aging, it's more economical to supply that to everyone than to treat the myriad complications that arise from aging. It's hard to get people to fund such a cure, but it seems far simpler to get funding for "we have a proven cure, let's get it to everyone".

You do know that every culture, since the beginning of time, has thought that they would live to be immortal in their lifetime. What makes you think you're different? Sure, you might have a better chance, but it's still a slim chance. Pining for a cure to aging rather than living your life is a sad way to spend something as short and precious as your life.

> > How would people remember everything?

> In the short term, curing aging seems likely to help greatly with many degenerative mental disorders. In the long term, I expect people will find increasingly successful ways to augment their own capabilities. I doubt I'll have the same brain structure a hundred thousand years from now that I do today, if only because I expect we'll eventually run out of effective ways to debug biology in-place.

> > How would you spend all that time? What would everyone do?

> What wouldn't everyone do? I don't have a finite "bucket list"; my list contains everything positive I can possibly imagine, with a sort order applied, and it will always grow faster than it shrinks. Quite apart from the rest of the universe, other people provide an unbounded source of novelty.

I don't think so. Wanting to live forever is a childish thing, it's a fear of death mixed with a type of greed. Actually living forever would be a greater hell than anything I can imagine. After the first few hundred years, when you realise that it's never going to end, after you've read every book and done all you've wanted to do, what then?

> Do you think people thousands of years ago would have asked such questions about a 120-year lifespan, and think it sounded too long?

No, because the maximum lifespan of a human hasn't fundamentally changed. The only difference is that more people are living to old age.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by JoshTriplett on Saturday January 30, 2016 @04:41AM (#11001268)
> You do know that every culture, since the beginning of time, has thought that they would live to be immortal in their lifetime. What makes you think you're different? Sure, you might have a better chance, but it's still a slim chance.

A slim chance is infinitely better than no chance at all. How many cultures had even the remotest chance of actually doing something about it?

And no, I'm not certain it'll happen in my lifetime. I'd say that I'd be sad and disappointed if that didn't happen, but really if that doesn't happen then I won't be anything at all. But I still consider it by far the most important problem that could possibly be solved, and worth putting incredible effort and resources towards. I also consider it worth advocating, to encourage others to push for the same goal, or at the very least discourage others from perpetuating arguments that shut down such efforts.

> Actually living forever would be a greater hell than anything I can imagine.

Then don't. But I'd suggest trying it first, or significantly expanding your imagination.

> After the first few hundred years, when you realise that it's never going to end, after you've read every book and done all you've wanted to do, what then?

With all the imagination you can bring to bear, and a universe full of possibilities, you can only think of a few hundred years worth of things to do before you'd not only get bored but get so bored you'd long for death?

To give even a minimal lower bound based on your own comment, books and stories are already being written today faster than they can be read. And that's only one of myriad possibilities. A few minutes imagination can easily produce far more interesting ones.

Do you currently get bored with life and want it to end? If not, then why do you expect that to change in only a few hundred years?

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by cyphar on Sunday January 31, 2016 @06:56PM (#11008757)
> > You do know that every culture, since the beginning of time, has thought that they would live to be immortal in their lifetime. What makes you think you're different? Sure, you might have a better chance, but it's still a slim chance.

> A slim chance is infinitely better than no chance at all. How many cultures had even the remotest chance of actually doing something about it?

None, and we're no different. Why would we be?

> And no, I'm not certain it'll happen in my lifetime. I'd say that I'd be sad and disappointed if that didn't happen,

Well, no. You'll be dead. Dead people aren't disappointed.

> I also consider it worth advocating, to encourage others to push for the same goal, or at the very least discourage others from perpetuating arguments that shut down such efforts.

I don't agree that it's worth advocating. Yes, curing diseases and other such things is a worthwhile goal. But the goal of living forever is just selfish. Note that children couldn't exist in a world where people live forever (otherwise we'd run out of resources even faster than we are now).

> > Actually living forever would be a greater hell than anything I can imagine.

> Then don't. But I'd suggest trying it first, or significantly expanding your imagination.

I have a very vivid imagination. That's how I came to that conclusion. Also, how can I "try it"?

> > After the first few hundred years, when you realise that it's never going to end, after you've read every book and done all you've wanted to do, what then?

> With all the imagination you can bring to bear, and a universe full of possibilities, you can only think of a few hundred years worth of things to do before you'd not only get bored but get so bored you'd long for death?

Yes. Why do you think any differently? Evolution has placed a cap on our lifespan, because living longer than that wasn't better for our species. Have you considered that? Why do you think we'd be able to contribute anything meaningful to the world after we are 80 years old? Aside from helping younger generations (which don't exist in your world), we have nothing left to do.

More than 98% of people who ever lived are dead. It's incredibly arrogant (and akin to a tantruming child) to assume that you will survive.

> To give even a minimal lower bound based on your own comment, books and stories are already being written today faster than they can be read. And that's only one of myriad possibilities. A few minutes imagination can easily produce far more interesting ones.

I'm a scientist (as well as programmer). So I can imagine spending several hundred years trying to solve all of the scientific problems that exist. But after a few hundred years, I'll definitely get bored of that. So, I'll have to move on to something else.

> Do you currently get bored with life and want it to end? If not, then why do you expect that to change in only a few hundred years?

No. But that doesn't mean I won't get bored of it eventually. Not to mention that I can see myself being bored with <things I'm interested in now>, and no doubt I'll eventually get bored of all of the things that make me a productive member of society. At that point, I'm a drain on the world's resources. What benefit is there to keeping me alive?

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by ams6110 on Saturday January 30, 2016 @12:53PM (#11002852)
I doubt I'll have the same brain structure a hundred thousand years from now that I do today

LOL that is for sure. It'll be dirt within 1/1000 of that time.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by ollifi on Saturday January 30, 2016 @04:38AM (#11001261)
If we cure aging and live for centuries we will still be subject to accidents while we are trying to work out how to live without a body at all. I would be interested to know how likely it is to get maimed or killed during this extended period and how it would affect the psychology of a person. I assume it would be a pretty frightened bunch not leaving home much.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by JoshTriplett on Saturday January 30, 2016 @05:03AM (#11001329)
One of several rough estimates I've seen suggests that if you eliminated all biological causes of death, and left only accident and similar, that would bring the average lifespan to around a thousand years. Producing such an estimate seems straightforward enough, given statistics about causes of death.

As for how that might affect psychology: honestly, I'd love to see how the world might change if people adopted drastically different attitudes towards death, but I don't think it likely that this would produce far more risk aversion than we have today. Not least of which because I see no signs of tobacco companies going out of business.

For myself personally, I'm not going to stop leaving the house, but I certainly have no intention of taking up hobbies like hang gliding or motorcycle racing, any more than I plan to start smoking. (Side note: for an interesting measure of risk, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort) I don't think that level of risk aversion qualifies as "a pretty frightened bunch not leaving home much".

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by askafriend on Sunday January 31, 2016 @02:12PM (#11007536)
Living for centuries would be absolutely awful. Death is necessary. It's the world's chnge-agent. Think about how slow the rates of social progress would be without death.

Also the fact that life is only a fleeting moment in time is beautiful and again, I believe necessary.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by reasonattlm on Saturday January 30, 2016 @08:47AM (#11001771)
Therapies after the SENS model will be mass-produced infusions (gene therapies, small molecule drugs, etc) coupled with some personalized stuff based on growing cells from a cell sample. It will be the same treatment for everyone, and subject to economies of scale that are the same as for today's drugs. Most will cost a few dollars per treatment after being in circulation for a few decades, the same as mass produced generic drugs today, and 30 years further into autologous stem cell therapies, those also will cost a lot less than the few thousand that they do now.

People have done the modeling on what radical life span does to population growth. The answer is a lot less than you think. See: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3192186/ "For example, we applied the cohort-component method of population projections to 2005 Swedish population for several scenarios of life extension and a fertility schedule observed in 2005. Even for very long 100-year projection horizon, with the most radical life extension scenario (assuming no aging at all after age 60), the total population increases by 22% only (from 9.1 to 11.0 million)."

Most of the objections of the type that you voice can be answered by moving you to 1850 and making the same objections to the progress of medicine, and then seeing that they are obviously false concerns given where we are today. You could argue in 1920 that the same objections exist to building treatments that prevent people dying from heart disease: isn't it just for rich people, won't there be too many people if the old don't die on time, what would they do with all those extra years, isn't the present length of life just right, etc, etc.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by joeyspn on Saturday January 30, 2016 @04:38AM (#11001262)
> Would you do it for animals too?

Why not? Veterinaries would love novel approaches. Plus the pre-research is always carried in animals.

> How would people remember everything?

You should ask Google's Director of Engineering (Ray Kurzweil) about that. Hint: within 25-30 years your brain could have x1000 capacity via cloud computing (mobile + brain-cloud interfaces).

> Is this just for rich people or do poor people get to live for centuries too?

Your questions are quite common and have been answered hundreds of times in any of the SENS presentations. Answer: humanity as a whole will benefit from this research.

> Haven't done the math but if 8 billion people lived for say 500 years each, plus new arrivals constantly, wouldn't we accumulate rather?

The fact that we live twice as long, and we have duplicated the human lifespan in the last 100 years (in the western world), but now we have less natality tells you something? Overpopulation comes from the 3rd world and decreases as a country starts to develop...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/currentevents/2012/10/16/warning...

> What about fertility? Should there be a window on that?

Ask Apple or Facebook why they are offering female employees to freeze their eggs for $20k...

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/15/apple-face...

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by ap22213 on Saturday January 30, 2016 @04:40PM (#11003883)
Great, so our descendants can work 70 hour weeks for 120 years rather than just 30.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by aminorex on Sunday January 31, 2016 @01:58AM (#11005553)
Nobody will have a job in 30 years, so I wouldn't worry about it.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by majani on Monday February 01, 2016 @02:13AM (#11010307)
We'll always need someone to man the machines
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by dreamdu5t on Sunday January 31, 2016 @09:50PM (#11009371)
You must be young. That's what people were saying 50 years ago. When I was in high school the reason I was told we had to learn square dancing was because in the future we would have so much leisure time.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by Houshalter on Saturday January 30, 2016 @06:53AM (#11001544)
I remember when I first deconverted. I was horrified that there was no heaven, and that my loved ones weren't waiting for me. That they were just gone forever. They didn't exist. They weren't happy, and I would never see them again.

I see many atheists carry on religious memes after they deconvert. Which is only natural, religion isn't just a single idea, it's deeply ingrained into our culture. One of those memes is that death is natural and ok. Which, if you believe in religion, it absolutely is. It's the way things are supposed to be according to a trustworthy higher power. There is a life afterwards that makes it all ok. People don't really "die", they just go to a different place.

I don't see anything ok about true death. It's natural, sure, but there's no law that says nature has to be good. We are the product of an uncaring universe and plenty of bad things exist that shouldn't. Death is one of those things.

So I came to the idea that if Heaven didn't really exist, we should build it. I was quite young at the time and influenced by science fiction. I thought that maybe future humans could invent time travel and come back in time and save people who died.

I've since come to the conclusion that time travel is very unlikely to be physically possible in our universe. But other advanced technologies, like curing aging, are certainly not. Perhaps even within our reach. And if backwards time travel might be impossible, we have invented a way to do forwards time travel with cryonics.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by geofft on Saturday January 30, 2016 @06:02PM (#11004204)
> One of those memes is that death is natural and ok. Which, if you believe in religion, it absolutely is.

To be clear, this is pretty untrue of Christianity, the dominant religion in Western civilization, so I'm constantly puzzled about this claim. (HPMOR makes the same claim.) The central story of Christianity is that God takes human form, dies, and cannot stay dead. If it were just "Jesus died for our sins", there would be no need for a resurrection story; his followers would have had way more credibility saying merely that he was killed, which is far more objectively verifiable.

From 1 Corinthians: "The last enemy to be destroyed is death" (which, incidentally, comes up in canon HP), and, quoting the prophets: "When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: 'Death has been swallowed up in victory.' 'Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?'" From Revelation, also quoting Isaiah: "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." From a 1500-year-old hymn: "Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death."

Death is an enemy; death is not good, and should not exist. Perhaps other religions disagree, but Christians and atheists should be able to agree on this basic fact.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by Houshalter on Sunday January 31, 2016 @08:13AM (#11006279)
I don't know what scripture says, all I know is that actual Christians believe that their loved ones are in Heaven and that humans have immortal souls. There are a lot of memes in our culture about death from religion. Just go to a Christian funeral and listen to the pastor talk about Death is natural and ok. Of course they still think death is sad, but the religion provides comfort and meaning to it.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by fossuser on Saturday January 30, 2016 @09:36AM (#11001916)
I think death is probably a selective evolutionary advantage for a species.

A species is basically self perpetuating genetic code stuck somewhere in an evolutionary local maxima. In our case there may be an advantage in adaptability by having individuals die and genetic code mix/change more frequently.

This still sucks and if we could figure out how the brain actually worked to prevent it that would be cool, but we'd start getting into identity issues (what makes you you? how does consciousness actually work?).

Sleep is interesting to think about here since it likely has something to do with re-calculating weights in a neural net, garbage collection, persisting memories etc. Though we don't consider going to sleep dying and waking up new because of the sense of continuity. If a copy of you was made and the original then killed though we wouldn't like that.

Sense of purpose difficulties still exist in our relatively brief lifespans, but at least we get an easy out with the biological one - we'd have to think more about this with death out of the way. Also the drive to have sex and reproduce would probably still be around since it's core to our existence, not sure how we deal with that.

Though I'd still prefer a star trek future where we're colonizing the galaxy and the goal is to learn.

Mostly rambling thoughts.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by Houshalter on Saturday January 30, 2016 @09:58AM (#11002000)
The evolution selects for death idea is a hypothesis, but I don't' think it's very strong.

Evolution works at the level of genes. Genes that cause more copies of themselves to spread will spread. Even to the detriment of the group or the species.

An organism that lives longer will have time to have more offspring, and those offspring will carry it's longer living genes. An organism that lives shorter will have fewer offspring, and so fewer organisms will carry it's genes. Very rapidly these genes would be selected for or against.

A simple alternative explanation is just that evolution doesn't care. 90% of organisms will die of other causes long before they reach old age. Evolution will end up devoting almost all of it's resources on improving survival rates there, and none on fighting aging.

>This still sucks and if we could figure out how the brain actually worked to prevent it that would be cool, but we'd start getting into identity issues (what makes you you? how does consciousness actually work?).

Identity Isn't In Specific Atoms: http://lesswrong.com/lw/pm/identity_isnt_in_specific_atoms/

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by ams6110 on Saturday January 30, 2016 @01:05PM (#11002913)
Evolution doesn't care about reaching old age. It cares about reaching the age of reproductive maturity.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by Houshalter on Saturday January 30, 2016 @04:31PM (#11003852)
Well obviously. And the longer the reproductive age lasts, the more it can reproduce.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by bambax on Saturday January 30, 2016 @07:42AM (#11001634)
> So I came to the idea that if Heaven didn't really exist, we should build it.

Heaven did exist, and our ancestors destroyed it; it was the Caribbean, and its inhabitants were all killed and/or enslaved to build... churches.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by selimthegrim on Saturday January 30, 2016 @10:34AM (#11002175)
You've joined the company of great people in history like Tsiolkovsky.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by mietek on Saturday January 30, 2016 @01:33AM (#11000826)
> Why quantity over quality?

That’s a false dichotomy. Please disregard my one-liner, and watch one of de Grey’s talks instead — or read his “When Quality and Quantity Do Not Compete”: http://online.liebertpub.com.sci-hub.io/doi/abs/10.1089/rej....

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by empressplay on Saturday January 30, 2016 @02:03AM (#11000885)
You can live for a thousand years and you will still procrastinate and you will still not want to die. An extended lifespan won't help those issues. You need to get over them whether you live 50 years or 500.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by JoshTriplett on Saturday January 30, 2016 @02:32AM (#11000958)
> You can live for a thousand years and you will still procrastinate and you will still not want to die.

Of course not! Why should you ever want to die? Why should you ever "get over" that?

It's a bug. We haven't fixed it yet. It should not be romanticized, and it should most certainly not be treated as inevitable. It's an abomination we have yet to eliminate.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by derrida on Saturday January 30, 2016 @03:02AM (#11001043)
> it should most certainly not be treated as inevitable.

What life never dies?

What non-living thing does not change?

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by mc808 on Saturday January 30, 2016 @03:55AM (#11001163)
There is a pine tree that is almost 5,000 years old, and a number of plants "reproduce" by spreading out their root system where what we see as a multitude of plants is essentially one long-lived organism under the surface.

For humans (or at least for me), I think the main concern is really more of continuity of experience than maintaining a particular body configuration indefinitely. I.e. I would like to run into an old friend in 10,000 years and reminisce about that time we did something hilarious. It wouldn't be very satisfying to undergo a procedure that resets my body but wipes out my memories in the process.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by zardo on Saturday January 30, 2016 @06:05PM (#11004213)
It wouldn't be very satisfying to undergo a procedure that resets my body but wipes out my memories in the process.

We whipe out memories every day. Your memory of your childhood is a half imagined highlight reel of moments. If you lived 10,000 years, you might only have a couple moments left from this century.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by JoshTriplett on Saturday January 30, 2016 @03:28AM (#11001108)
Do you think of cancer as inevitable? Or do you think of it as something humans could cure someday?

Do you think of degenerative mental disorders as inevitable? Or do you think humans can cure them someday?

I don't think of death as inevitable. I think of it as something humans can cure someday. Thinking of it as inevitable means giving up on all possible solutions.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by derrida on Saturday January 30, 2016 @03:40AM (#11001134)
> Do you think of cancer as inevitable?

No.

> Do you think of degenerative mental disorders as inevitable?

No.

Change, and thus, death, is inevitable. Also, if you want to prolong you then you are the result of countless deaths.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by JoshTriplett on Saturday January 30, 2016 @03:47AM (#11001146)
I think you've used an unconventional definition of "death" here, distinct from the one thus far used in this discussion.

Lack of change seems closer to death than change does.

But in any case, whatever definition of death you've used doesn't seem to relate in any way to the ones that people in this discussion have advocated eliminating.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by derrida on Saturday January 30, 2016 @04:13AM (#11001200)
> I think you've used an unconventional definition of "death" here,

I mean the thing that everybody else means: ie "pushing up daisies", "feeding earthworms", "to dust", etc

If I understand this differently, then it's this perspective I am offering :)

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by zardo on Saturday January 30, 2016 @06:10PM (#11004236)
In that context, saying that change causes death sounds like complete nonsense. I change all the time, yet I am not dead.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by derrida on Sunday January 31, 2016 @01:58AM (#11005555)
Everything changes => inevitability of death.

If you 'survive' (say every cell is replaced) then what is "you"? I'd say it's more likely to be a set of linguistic & cultural norms than it is to be anything fundamental from the view point of physics.

So that raises the point: is 'you' conceptual or is there anything fundamental? It makes sense for evolution to have selected for organisms to believe there was, no matter what, something fundamental, existant & worth preserving about them, but really - we're this group of cells & the plants we ate for breakfast (and the efforts of the farmer of those plants and so on)

Of course, as a "manner of speaking" (that is, in common every day culturally contingent world), all this is bogus.

But from a fundamental, naturalistic point of view, I don't see anywhere else to go :) It's also a very parsimonious view as you get to explain a lot of stuff with less entities, etc :)

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by greggman on Saturday January 30, 2016 @07:56PM (#11004679)
In my own life there are several things I'd like to do that will take somewhere between 5-10 years each. I only have 2-3 of those spans left and 100 of those things I want to do.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by nathan_f77 on Saturday January 30, 2016 @02:56AM (#11001021)
> Humans need more lifespan, badly.

> Do we?

Yes, we do. Categorically. If you would prefer to die, then speak for yourself.

And of course, no one wants a longer life if they're miserable. We need to solve poverty as well.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by enraged_camel on Saturday January 30, 2016 @03:05AM (#11001049)
Well, I think his issue was with the word "need".

Wanting more lifespan is a different thing. The claim that most people want to live longer is not as controversial as the claim that most people need to live longer.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by aminorex on Sunday January 31, 2016 @02:04AM (#11005572)
If you will certainly die for the lack of some thing, then you can truly say that you need that thing.

Senescence and death costs the species and the planet a horrible price in lost productivity, social conflict, medical costs, human desperation and suffering. Even if you don't want to live beyond some fixed span, if you want to impose suffering and death upon others...well, I don't even...

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by untog on Saturday January 30, 2016 @02:08AM (#11000897)
Agreed. With overpopulation already a problem I'm not sure that living longer is a pressing need for the world. Better to help people make the most of the time they have allotted on this planet.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by mietek on Saturday January 30, 2016 @02:19AM (#11000926)
It’s not as bad as you think — “Don’t Panic”: http://www.gapminder.org/videos/dont-panic-the-facts-about-p...

If you can’t spare an hour, please watch Rosling’s TED talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_shows_the_best_stats_...

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by Ixio on Saturday January 30, 2016 @06:55AM (#11001547)
Thank you for sharing "Don't Panic", watching that is really an hour well-spent.

Since permanent growth comes from fertility and as "Don't Panic" shows we're getting to a sustainable average of 2 child per woman, augmenting our lifespan will only increase our maximum population, not our population growth.

However I think YC research would be better spent trying to find better ways to fight climate change, world stability and/or lift billions out of poverty. This way if we ever augment lifespans in a significant way it will be available to more people and in a healthier world. Also lifting billions out of great poverty will have the added benefit of allowing more minds to work on issues like increasing life expectancy.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by jakeogh on Saturday January 30, 2016 @03:33AM (#11001121)
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by aylmao on Saturday January 30, 2016 @01:46AM (#11000847)
^ agree with this.

Also, we should really focus on getting people on board with the life-preserving tech that currently exists (medicine, water treatment, doctor training, etc) before developing new (and potentially expensive) tech that will only widen the gap between what the rich can do that the poor can only dream of.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by jashephe on Saturday January 30, 2016 @08:09AM (#11001676)
Indeed. From a biological standpoint, it's important to realize that an indefinite lifespan, as a life history trait [1], does not confer evolutionary fitness. The fact is that organisms do not appear to evolve to a maximal lifespan — they evolve to an optimal lifespan. Humans are already considered to be K-selected [2], and increasing lifespan appears to necessarily decrease fitness in other areas, as has been seen in worms [3] and flies [4] (e.g. reproductive fitness decreases and age of maturity increases, when lifespan increases).

More importantly, "near-infinite" lifespans reduce the efficacy of natural selection — longer-living organisms evolve at a slower rate. While, perhaps, unappealing, the culling of species members well past reproductive age is necessary to allow for more resources and potential for competition and selection in their offspring. And humans are certainly still undergoing natural selection in many arenas; just look at sickle cell trait [5] or or CCR5-Δ32 [6].

Death is a feature, not a bug.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_history_theory

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory

[3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8608934

[4] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25601460

[5] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11965279

[6] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8791590

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by reasonattlm on Saturday January 30, 2016 @09:11AM (#11001845)
These are all arguments that apply to the house you live in, the blankets on your bed, the medicine you use. You are absolutely fine with all of those - you don't live in a cave, shun treatment for infectious disease, and wear furs. In fact I would go so far as to say that you probably think that modern technology is a good thing, and you are better off for it. Yet that already greatly manipulates your proposed optimal condition for the human species. So why does treating aging as a medical condition bring out this view? This seems like a very selective appeal to nature.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by jashephe on Saturday January 30, 2016 @02:04PM (#11003207)
It may not have been expressed the most clearly, but the intention was not quite as you describe. Shelter, clothing, and modern medicine all confer enhanced fitness — I was attempting to suggest that increased lifespan does not.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by trappedfly on Saturday January 30, 2016 @06:38AM (#11001518)
> Why quantity over quality?

Reminds me of Seneca's De Brevitate Vitae[1], an essay about (as the title suggests) the shortness of life. He argues that what matters is not how long one lives, but what he accomplishes and/or how "well" he lives.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Brevitate_Vitae_(Seneca) (english translation in External links, worth a read if you have some spare time)

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by reasonattlm on Saturday January 30, 2016 @09:18AM (#11001868)
It is important to recognize that arguments for quality over quantity are written from the perspective of operating within an absolute and unchangeable limit, and an absolute and largely unchangeable high risk of unexpected death before that limit due to infectious disease. We've done a lot to reduce the latter, and now the former is up for grabs as well. This is not the same landscape for the human condition as occupied by Seneca and his peers.

We can work towards both quality and quantity. That is the point of technology, to make everything better, to remove limits, to enable the human condition to be more than it was before, to give us choice where there was no choice. The choice to fly, to talk to distant people, to be healthy, to live rather than to die before we want to.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by choosername on Saturday January 30, 2016 @06:44AM (#11001528)
it's not quantity over quality, they are directly proportional to each other, maybe, if meassured in absolute terms. There's an optimum and quantity is hampered by lack of quality.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by seiji on Saturday January 30, 2016 @08:58AM (#11001802)
I’d have said AI safety, but it’s already on your list. Excellent.

But, why? Nothing about "AI safety" is remotely useful. It would be like researching "alcohol safety" (something everybody has access to and nobody can restrict) or researching how ants can influence "human safety" (tiny things trying to influence massive things). It's nonsense no matter which way you think about it unless you just want to write SF novels.

Open-source infrastructure.

Sadly, we don't need "research" to study how it works, we need direct payments to contributors. As a "startup culture" we need to stop the trend of billion dollar companies using free open source labor to reduce corporate costs and boost corporate profits while paying highly skilled professional volunteers nothing.

Yudkowsky Ambition

A key part of _research_ is you need to have a plan of attack. Saying "We're going to fund research into antigravity, time travel, and zero point energy" sure sounds like fun, but it's an absolute waste of time.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by zanny on Saturday January 30, 2016 @10:17AM (#11002083)
> boost corporate profits while paying highly skilled professional volunteers nothing.

This is a problem of ancient outdated patent and copyright law, not scientific innovation. Its in the field of politics since the industry is entirely built on state enforced IP legislation.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by seiji on Saturday January 30, 2016 @10:31AM (#11002155)
But open source code is all about "no patent restrictions" and free licensing even with retained copyright (or even outright copyright assignment/dumb CLAs).

Iterating those concepts don't seem to fix the issue of Twitter running 50,000 copies of an application developed by 3 open source volunteer people and not paying those 3 people anything.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by zanny on Saturday January 30, 2016 @11:17AM (#11002392)
The issue is that with copyright and patent law the way it is written software is heavily biased towards proprietary development for profit, by restricting what the user can do with the software they run. It is also an issue of users not caring that they are being given the equivalent of a car with a sealed engine compartment. The average consumer can understand why that is bad, even if they themselves would never open up the engine, because it would mean they could not let their local mechanic fix their car, they would have to submit to the manufacturer at whatever price they want to charge because there is no competition anymore.

They just don't correlate that to proprietary software at all, which is understandable because most people cannot internalize concepts related to information transfer, scarcity, transformation, or preservation. They exist in the real world and more easily relate to the physical and ignore the implications of ignorance in all that is not presented to them in that medium.

That still remains a political problem, one with your system of economics. I guess since YC is funding that UBI research it may also be relevant to research alternatives to US IP law that can optimize for productivity and social utility of the results, because we are obviously not close to a maxima right now.

Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by return0 on Saturday January 30, 2016 @06:02PM (#11004207)
If i could pick just one, it would be academic publishing. It's an ancient system that locks in tons of useful empirical data and rots the roots of science with its publish-or-perish/impact factor lunacy. It's also a sector (digital publishing) which YC knows well and can easily make a great contribution. This can be a game changer, as it can alter the way public funding is allocated.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by Thriptic on Saturday January 30, 2016 @04:32AM (#11001246)
Antibiotics are running out because we stopped researching them, for a variety of reasons, and it takes time to bring research pipelines back online.
Re:Ask HN: What should we fund at YC Research? by theaustinseven on Saturday January 30, 2016 @12:44PM (#11002818)
I would say along the lines of academic publishing, there is also a problem with people publishing misleading or plain wrong press releases. I think there needs to be a better way of evaluating the reliability of research, and a way to possibly improve the peer review process. This may mean that research has to be more open with the data that they collect. I think there is definitely some work to be done here.