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Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by sergiotapia on Thursday January 14, 2016 @03:11PM (#10904074)
People will probably just torrent things again. In the minds of the vast majority of people piracy is a victimless crime. These people have only stopped pirating because it's easier to pay and use Netflix. Guaranteed they'll go back to torrenting.

Gabe Newell: "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable."

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by 0xffff2 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @03:46PM (#10904343)
Again? I used to regularly check Netflix before Pirate Bay, but it's been so long since anything I wanted to watch was streamable on Netflix (and I'm in the US too) that I rarely bother anymore. Even at the best of times it was maybe 50/50.

Hell, I torrented "The Man in the High Castle" even though I have Amazon Prime just because I didn't feel like installing Silverlight. Even when you are paying for the content, it can still be easier to watch via other means.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by manigandham on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:19PM (#10904560)
This is something that I run into a lot. It's just nicer being able to click a file and play in VLC that's more responsive, can fastforward/rewind, play at different speeds, etc.

Streaming through webpages just isn't that great for how I consume video.

EDIT: I always like to remind people that VLC can open youtube videos natively. CTRL+V and paste in url. Not perfect control but nicer than youtube player.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by TeMPOraL on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:45PM (#10905352)
> EDIT: I always like to remind people that VLC can open youtube videos natively. CTRL+V and paste in url. Not perfect control but nicer than youtube player.

THANK YOU <3.

I didn't know! I was aware that I could open video streams (the old-school kind) in VLC, but I never realized it can pull a stream from YouTube video link. I see now it works great, though the video quality option is not obviously available. It can be set here:

http://www.techverse.net/play-youtube-videos-vlc-media-playe...

From the page, under disadvantages of streaming YouTube through VLC:

  Disadvantage
     No annotations.
Like hell. It's totally an advantage. Annotations on YouTube are a total mess, and they're their worst invention, even worse than their comment section, infamous for low-quality content.

I absolutely hate streaming videos in the browser. It's a stupid idea. Everyone uses a different player, half of them can't handle rewinding or skipping forward, and all of them are total resource hogs. There are things that really shouldn't be done with web technologies. Like spreadsheets, or video players. They work best if made native.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by pyre on Thursday January 14, 2016 @11:36PM (#10907232)
Annotations / subtitles have their uses. For example, watch this[1] and choose "English (Movie Titles)" as the subtitle and you can figure out which movies all of the clips come from.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1PCtIaM_GQ

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by rangibaby on Friday January 15, 2016 @02:37AM (#10907814)
That's quite clever. Most of them are "BUY THIS" or "MY OTHER VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by henry_vonfire on Friday January 15, 2016 @04:19AM (#10908125)
> Like hell. It's totally an advantage. Annotations on YouTube are a total mess, and they're their worst invention, even worse than their comment section, infamous for low-quality content.

Ugh, I hate them. Specially when they aren't set to last a specific time and are there the whole video. I instantly deactivate them when I see them.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Houshalter on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:08PM (#10905020)
Netflix has really good compression though. Torrenting takes hours, makes the internet unusable in the whole house, and the quality is much worse. Netflix just works, even if multiple people are using it. And it goes straight to the TV.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by baddox on Thursday January 14, 2016 @08:49PM (#10906508)
Obviously torrenting requires slightly more "technical" knowledge and procedure than Netflix, but I certainly don't find it slow or low quality, and it has never made my Internet unusable.

And with a bit of extra work (very little, really) you can have a ridiculously nice torrenting setup. I can just add a movie to my IMDb watchlist and it will be on my TV in 15 minutes. And 10GB+ h264 Blu-ray encodes are much better quality than Netflix streaming (I can't vouch for their 4k streams, but I reckon they're still much lower bitrate).

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by jamespo on Friday January 15, 2016 @06:47AM (#10908652)
So if the highest quality was a paid for service, would you pay for it - I suspect not.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by baddox on Friday January 15, 2016 @02:00PM (#10911308)
If the best service (which for me involves quality, selection, and convenience) was a paid service, and was somewhat reasonably priced, I suspect I would pay for it. I don't know exactly what "reasonably priced" would mean, but for the record I do buy a decent amount of music, mostly through iTunes, because I think it generally provides a better service than torrenting.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by BEEdwards on Thursday January 14, 2016 @07:26PM (#10906047)
Does your internet suck? Because that isn't how it is at all.

I'm uploading 2 torrents right now at almost a megabit and my internet is just fine.

When there are good seeders I can pull 8 down. Most movies and shows are done in minutes.

No noticeable degradation to browsing speed, when a large file finishes there can be a little slowdown, but that's a different thing.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by manigandham on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:44PM (#10905343)
This is all about how much control you want and the tradeoffs.

Streaming allows for instant start and adaptive bandwidth. Downloading means you can play it in whatever way you want, watch just the scenes you like, etc.

Netflix has a great UI for simple watching or you can use a full featured player and tweak lots of settings.

Also there are plenty of ways to play anything on a TV (smart tv with usb drive, network share, chromecast, htpc software, dlna) and you can use settings in your torrent client to limit the download speed if necessary. Some clients even let you torrent the file sequentially so you can start playing/streaming it before it's all finished.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Phlarp on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:28PM (#10905214)
There are so many dead simple technical solutions to this I can't fathom someone on HN not being able to find any of them.

1. QOS on the router, set a lower priority for the ports torrents use 2. Set a bandwidth limit in your torrent client 3. Use a queue / batch system to have them download at 3AM or whatever.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Houshalter on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:45PM (#10905351)
I have no access to the router. Of course I know how to throttle bandwidth or schedule it later. My point is that it's far less convenient than just streaming instantly from Netflix.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by swasheck on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:59PM (#10905470)
no true scotsman
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by swasheck on Thursday January 21, 2016 @10:40AM (#10945899)
not sure why i got downvoted on this. instead of being a helpful post, the parent posted a deriding no true scotsman fallacy.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by guard-of-terra on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:12PM (#10905063)
You should probably either tune your wireless AP (increase max connections, decrease linger time) or change ISP. Torrenting should absolutely not make the internet unusable.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by hhw on Thursday January 14, 2016 @07:30PM (#10906079)
Your connection is only unusable if you don't cap the upload rate in your torrent client to below your total upload capacity, so that you leave some room for ACKs to be sent.

Or, you can just get a seedbox or VPS with a decent connection close enough to you that you can stream off it. The torrent will be done near instantaneously, and you'll be able to stream in higher quality than Netflix. You can stream full 1080P MKVs at <20Mbps.

Use private trackers as they're much better seeded, as well as the more obvious benefits.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by starshadowx2 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @06:09PM (#10905532)
> Torrenting takes hours, makes the internet unusable in the whole house, and the quality is much worse.

You may have results like this, but I would guess that you're in the minority.

For me personally, well seeded 6-8GB movie takes an hour at most, usually less. I can still play online games, watch other streams online, browse, etc. and with other people using the same internet connection in the house doing the same things, and not have any noticeable slowdown. Full 1080p with AAC or DTS audio seems like higher quality to me than what Netflix provides.

The only upside Netflix has is the instant streaming, but if you're patient and can wait a bit for some downloads, or maybe run them at night or while at work, then this is a non-issue. Also you can just connect a TV to your computer.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by jonesb6 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @08:41PM (#10906469)
I've moved around a lot, I would say your experience is in the minority.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by jandrese on Thursday January 14, 2016 @08:00PM (#10906267)
Torrenting is wicked fast for me. I don't do it very often, but when I do they download way faster than realtime. Usually something like a 22 minute TV episode will be done in 5 minutes.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by alanh on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:33PM (#10905254)
You’re not wrong! But to continue upon those advocating QoS adjustments: A good router (I love my Apple router) and better Internet (oddly… I can’t complain about the actual Comcast service I have) make these problems go away, assuming you nab a high-enough quality torrent.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Houshalter on Friday January 15, 2016 @02:30AM (#10907796)
Ok I get it, everyone has faster internet than me. All I'm saying is that Netflix works fine even with my apparently shitty internet, but torrenting isn't great. I do torrent stuff occasionally, but it just isn't as good or convenient.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by corp-a on Thursday January 14, 2016 @06:12PM (#10905546)
in most torrent clients, you can adjust transfer speeds and number of connections... of course that won't make torrent transfer go faster but it may make your Internet connection usable again.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by venomsnake on Friday January 15, 2016 @06:22AM (#10908552)
I pay 15 Euro for 100Mbit with no data caps. Torrenting takes minutes, elementary QoS gets the job done for ensuring browsing is ok and 1080p H.264 is hard to beat.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Gatsky on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:29PM (#10905225)
Modem QoS can fix this
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Shorel on Friday January 15, 2016 @11:03AM (#10910070)
The few torrents that use x265 look great at about 200MB for 60 minutes of 720p.

Expect more of that in the future.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by shmerl on Thursday January 14, 2016 @06:15PM (#10905567)
> I always like to remind people that VLC can open youtube videos natively. CTRL+V and paste in url. Not perfect control but nicer than youtube player.

Same goes for mpv. DRMed distributors (like Netflix) and their players are just a major usability handicap. Let the age of legal DRM-free video begin (because pirates have been enjoying it for years already). One can hope.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by delecti on Friday January 15, 2016 @12:53AM (#10907488)
The exception being for living room content. I could probably set up my spare desktop to play on my TV in an afternoon, but Netflix on my PS3 is by far the easiest way to get content on the couch.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by encoderer on Friday January 15, 2016 @01:53AM (#10907684)
Nobody watches Netflix "streaming thru webpages"
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by manigandham on Friday January 15, 2016 @03:12PM (#10911771)
Netflix wasn't mentioned, just streaming. And many people do stream through the website for netflix, hulu, youtube, amazon and the hundreds of other sites out there.

If that works for you then great, but there's obviously much more control available when you have the full file and your own player.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by hhandoko on Friday January 15, 2016 @02:47AM (#10907839)
I assume it meant streaming / watching shows via the Netflix website?

Well, at least I do on occasion. When the kids are watching Netflix cartoons on the living room TV, I can just open up Firefox and watch another show on my (Linux) PC.

I suspect most people won't use it, but I'm glad to have this option.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Freak_NL on Friday January 15, 2016 @07:48AM (#10908945)
Firefox on Linux works with Netflix now? I though only Chrome worked on Linux due to the DRM Netflix uses.

I watch Netflix exclusively through their website — either on TV with my HTPC (Kodi with Chrome fullscreen) or on my computer. I don't own any devices that can run their Android or IOS apps.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by neumann on Thursday January 14, 2016 @03:54PM (#10904408)
same - we torrent content we have access to on Netflix and Amazon because, for some unknown reason, those services regularly degrade their video quality to 420p while torrents download at 1.4mb/s.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by trvz on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:20PM (#10904571)
The problem is probably your ISP, check http://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by soylentcola on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:47PM (#10904787)
Not surprising. We pay for cable (ugh, not my call) as well as Netflix and Amazon Prime. The cable box version of on-demand video is terrible because it's a cable box. The apps and websites are usually OK...except when they're not because Comcast is throttling or Amazon doesn't include Chromecast support in the mobile app so you have to cast the whole fullscreen browser tab.

When I don't just plug the damn laptop in, I tend to just connect through VPN and despite the fact that it slows my connection down considerably, I can stream any of the shows I've paid for through Popcorn Time or any other streaming torrent client. A typical hour-long episode is usually finished downloading within the first few minutes of the show and it's all accessible in a single interface.

My personal dream is that Comcast or one of these awful companies decides that they need to do a better job of pleasing customers and starts offering a legal PopcornTime/Netflix-style web interface to browse and stream all of the content you're already paying for. That is something I would actually want to subscribe to.

Instead I pay, rarely torrent anything I don't have legal access to, and stream/download illegally just because it's easier and works better. I haven't gone as far as some friends who set up auto-downloaders for usenet or torrents so they always have the latest episodes sitting on their NAS as soon as they go up. But I've considered it.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by kaybe on Thursday January 14, 2016 @11:02PM (#10907092)
For us Netflix refuses to play the high quality because the beamer is not to the liking of their copyright protection.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by gcb0 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:22PM (#10904586)
> unknown reason

it's called greedy ISP

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by pknopf on Thursday January 14, 2016 @03:57PM (#10904432)
How do you avoid your ISP from punishing you for using torrents? Do you use private trackers?
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Nexxxeh on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:19PM (#10904567)
You don't connect to the swarm using your ISP-supplied IP address.

You can use a VPN service and tunnel all your traffic through that.

You can use a seedbox, which is basically your torrent client running on a virtual machine or shared machine in a data centre. The P2P stuff doesn't come to or from your home IP. And it all happens at data centre speed.

If you use a private tracker, a seedbox is the way to go because you can leave it constantly seeding 24/7 at high speed so you build an amazing ratio.

You can pick up a seedbox with 700GB storage, 1Gb/s download, and 50Mb/s upload (both speed limited, but unlimited total) for less than a fancy coffee a week. Plex integration, OpenVPN connections included (so you can bypass any ISP-level filters), encrypted FTP etc.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by iyn on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:52PM (#10904844)
Can you recommend good seedbox providers?
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Nexxxeh on Thursday January 14, 2016 @08:05PM (#10906291)
I'm extremely happy with seedboxco.net, the SB-50 package more than meets my needs (of downloading Linux ISOs, obviously. Ahem).

There are other higher end packages with stupidly fast upload, but SB-50 is vastly faster than my linespeed anyway.

They do week trials for a couple of quid.

There's a slight learning curve, but as you're on HN, I doubt you'll struggle with the basics. And you will pick up the cool extras.

Do check out the VPN (iirc) tab, for creating OpenVPN accounts.

The only app thingy I used was Plex, and it worked flawlessly.

Ferral Hosting's seedbox hosting was fine, but it had a steeper learning curve and didn't give me anything compelling over SeedboxCo.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Plugawy on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:32PM (#10905251)
http://Put.io is a one example of such service
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by baddox on Thursday January 14, 2016 @08:51PM (#10906519)
I've used feralhosting.com for something like 6 years and can say only good things about their service. I haven't shopped around for price in a long time, but the pricing still seems reasonable to me.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by StavrosK on Thursday January 14, 2016 @06:17PM (#10905582)
I have also tried put.io and it seemed good.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by yulaow on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:05PM (#10904465)
You have an ISP that punish you just for using torrents? WTF, they really exist? I mean, what happens if you just download Ubuntu in its torrent version... they punish you just because it is a torrent?
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by softawre on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:08PM (#10904490)
You know what they meant...
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by yulaow on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:19PM (#10904566)
I actually don't know why I got some downvotes... in my country I never had a single ISP who blocks torrents, I don't even think is legal for them to check what you are downloading (except if they have a police warrant).
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by soylentcola on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:53PM (#10904847)
It's not quite the same (although they will throttle torrents frequently). Basically some firm gets hired by a media conglomerate to look at a torrent swarm for one of their shows or movies, and log the IP addresses that are sharing the data.

Then they look up the IPs, see that 123.456.78.90 was connected through a Comcast account. They send a big pile of requests to Comcast with all of the Comcast IPs and ask "hey, who had the IP 123.456.78.90 on January 14th, 2016 at 4:50pm?"

Not sure how often they actually bother suing actual users these days but either way, the ISP got the complaint and turns around and sends you a letter saying "hey, stop downloading tv shows and movies over torrents or we will have to cut off your service."

I'm sure the details of how this works change and are more complex but that's the essence. Even if you aren't sued, your ISP will cut you off if you keep torrenting stuff and generating complaints from rights holders.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by yulaow on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:56PM (#10904878)
Thanks, that was the part I was missing. In my country ISPs cannot tell _anyone_ which user has a specific ip at a specific time, they need a order from a judge based on a police request.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Abraln on Thursday January 14, 2016 @11:32PM (#10907214)
In the US it is not the ISPs "telling" the identity of the customer. They just forward the notices/warnings/thinly-veiled-threats to them. They don't let them know who the IP address is/was held by without a court order as far as I know.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by DarkLinkXXXX on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:16PM (#10905099)
Umm... mind telling me what country you're in?
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by yulaow on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:21PM (#10905147)
I was specifically referring to Switzerland and Italy.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by nness on Thursday January 14, 2016 @09:14PM (#10906638)
Australia too.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by charlesdm on Thursday January 14, 2016 @06:57PM (#10905869)
Belgium as well
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by ricksplat on Friday January 15, 2016 @04:23AM (#10908138)
This is actually my experience too. A "friend" downloads a movie lets say, and for about 12 hours afterwards their connection speed is throttled in an apparently retaliatory gesture. Not so far fetched if you consider that the ISP has been recently been acquired by a conglomerate with media interests ...

Said isp has been "only show in town" for serious internet access for some time so thankfully that is starting to change so a move might be on the cards.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by hsod on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:55PM (#10904869)
They aren't talking about blocking the torrent protocol.

A rights-holder watches a torrent swarm for one of their copyrighted works and records the IP of people who are sharing it.

They then contact your ISP (just asking nicely) telling them what they saw. The ISP will usually send you a warning or two before cutting off your service.

Alternatively the rights holder can get a judge to issue a subpoena obligating the ISP to give up your name.

So, since no one is watching Ubuntu swarms and reporting the uploaders, that's not really a concern.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by yulaow on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:59PM (#10904928)
Thanks, as I said to the other commenter in my country ISPs cannot tell _anyone_ which user has a specific ip at a specific time, they need a order from a judge based on a police request.

And the police doesn't make those request so lightly... they would need to know you actually uploaded and shared a tons of movies/copyrighted material linking to them on some public accessible site to even think about asking a judge permission to investigate further.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by 0xffff2 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:04PM (#10904457)
It's never been an issue. I use PeerBlock most of the time, but I've only ever gotten one letter from my ISP, and that was probably almost a decade ago now.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by izacus on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:16PM (#10904544)
ISPs punishing people for torrenting isn't a global thing. In several countries that's not an issue.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by sergiotapia on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:00PM (#10904945)
Private trackers.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by gcb0 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:26PM (#10904613)
forget the tin foil hat about vpn etc.

1. use a decent client (transmission. the windows version in confusing to find but works fine)

2. require encryption (default usually is prefer encryption)

3. don't be a retard and download cam from movies releasing today. it will suck and mpaa is probably the one seeing it.

4. if you limit to few torrents at a time and limit upload and download your isp will not bother sending your logs to the mafiaa

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by rudolf0 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:33PM (#10904677)
This is incredibly awful and inaccurate advice.

1. The client you use doesn't matter a bit.

2. Encrypting the traffic helps if an ISP is actively looking for torrenting, but they rarely do this. In fact, I suspect residential ISPs (Time Warner, Verizon, Comcast) absolutely never do this; university and corporate network administrators might. In part because it's very time and effort consuming for them, but mostly because lots of people torrent perfectly legal things. People get caught because the MPAA, and other organizations, contract firms to write scripts and bots to crawl sites and hunt for as many trackers as possible, then monitor trackers and record all peers observed if they find a file that matches content they own. Encryption won't do anything there. You can't encrypt your IP address from a peer, obviously.

3. When you do it makes little difference. Your odds of getting caught may be a little higher in the first few days, but many people still get caught several years later. The cost of keeping these scripts on these trackers is merely the cost of a little bandwidth and electricity for them. They have no reason not to sit on a tracker forever.

4. You have it completely backwards. It's the "mafiaa" who send the logs of what they found to your ISP. Then your ISP notifies you of the report they received. They don't require any info from the ISP (unless they decide to later file a lawsuit and want the subscriber's personal information). The burden of proof is on them to give what they have to your ISP.

I've dealt with many of these cases from the perspective of the ISP. None of these are secrets. Using a VPN to do something illegal is not remotely "tinfoil hat".

Just use a VPN or a tracker you're reasonably sure their bots can't find. That's it. It's easy. When you torrent, your goal is to hide from other peers of the torrent, not to hide from your ISP.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by aianus on Thursday January 14, 2016 @11:11PM (#10907120)
There are many ISPs that do deep packet throttling of torrent traffic. Encryption helps against the throttling (but, of course, so does an encrypted VPN connection.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by rudolf0 on Friday January 15, 2016 @01:25PM (#10911074)
That's true. Though I suspect in some cases, your downloads might be slower with a VPN than with throttling.

I also believe that in the US, it's technically illegal for ISPs to do this.

http://www.cnet.com/news/fcc-formally-rules-comcasts-throttl...

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by kobayashi on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:41PM (#10904737)
How does one "use a VPN or a tracker you're reasonably sure their bots can't find"?
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by soylentcola on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:57PM (#10904899)
There are several low cost VPNs that generally don't keep records of who is assigned what IP at a given time. I'm sure that if some serious law enforcement shit went down (like if someone was a serious mass murder suspect) they'd be able to get your identity but for common copyright infringement, there's no easy way for a rights holder to tie a given IP in a torrent swarm to an individual.

In a nutshell, you pay $30-40/year for a VPN account and when you feel like doing something you don't want easily tracked (like joining a torrent swarm) you enable the VPN and route all traffic through their servers.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by kobayashi on Friday January 15, 2016 @04:18PM (#10912208)
Sorry, I copied more of your quote than I had meant to. I'm quite familiar with VPNs. I meant to ask how does one find a tracker that one is reasonably sure their bots can't find.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by rudolf0 on Tuesday January 26, 2016 @11:23AM (#10974162)
Basically "underground" forums and websites. Usually they're invite-only. Google "private tracker".
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by ufukbay on Friday January 15, 2016 @04:17AM (#10908114)
I have Amazon Prime (living in Germany) and when I visited my brother in Turkey, I couldn't watch any TV shows on Amazon Prime due to country restrictions. I know different licences in different countries etc but in the end, it sucks that you cannot use a service which you are paying for. They also don't communicate these restrictions to their customers in a visible and prominent way for obvious reasons.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by sergiotapia on Thursday January 14, 2016 @10:08PM (#10906871)
On the flipside, I watch Netflix literally every night (American Dad, Family Guy, Always Sunny) as I go to sleep. We don't have cable at my house and Netflix fills that hole extremely well. Maybe I'm Netflix's dream customer, I don't know.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Nexxxeh on Friday January 15, 2016 @03:32AM (#10907980)
Their dream customer would have the 4 stream 4K package, tell everyone how great it is, but never use it so they consume no bandwidth.

But you are what's known as a cord cutter. No cable (or satellite) TV package, just an Internet connection.

Netflix wants you, but they want everyone.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by untog on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:09PM (#10904491)
Hell, I torrented "The Man in the High Castle" even though I have Amazon Prime just because I didn't feel like installing Silverlight.

Doesn't Amazon use Flash?

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by apocalyptic0n3 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:14PM (#10904530)
They were using Silverlight on the web. They had Flash at one time, but I think it's been a while; they've been using Silverlight for a few years. They've been pushing into HTML5 video, though I don't know the current state of that rollout

http://www.geekwire.com/2015/amazon-starts-rolling-out-html5...

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by wsha on Thursday January 14, 2016 @10:15PM (#10906901)
Not sure if this is true for all vidoes, but I have watched several shows on Amazon using Chromium, and I don't have Flash installed.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by jandrese on Thursday January 14, 2016 @07:59PM (#10906259)
Netflix doesn't need Silverlight anymore as long as your browser is up to date. Maybe if you use IE. Chrome and Firefox use the HTML5 viewer instead.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by clinta on Thursday January 14, 2016 @08:33PM (#10906437)
IE uses HTML5. In fact, IE and Edge and Safari are the only browsers that can play HTML5 Netflix videos in 1080p.

https://help.netflix.com/en/node/23742

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by corp-a on Thursday January 14, 2016 @06:14PM (#10905564)
I pay for Netflix but never look there first for content..
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Shorel on Friday January 15, 2016 @11:01AM (#10910060)
It really needs Silverlight?

I saw the series in Ubuntu, and it was nice, fullscreen, no issues at all. And I'm sure there's no Silverlight in Ubuntu.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Veratyr on Friday January 15, 2016 @12:28PM (#10910702)
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by Shorel on Friday January 15, 2016 @01:45PM (#10911219)
And I don't have that installed either.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by veritas3241 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:30PM (#10904651)
I'm pissed that Amazon Video doesn't support my TV anymore. That means I can't hookup my laptop to my TV via HDMI. Extremely frustrating.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by soylentcola on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:39PM (#10904714)
Curious what's not working. Is it a DHCP thing? On my upstairs TV I regularly hook up a laptop or just cast a browser tab (fullscreened) to the Chromecast when I want to watch Amazon video. My only real complaint is that I can't just cast from the Amazon video application on a mobile device the way I do with Netflix or HBO Go but that's just them wanting you to buy a Fire Stick so there's no Chromecast support in the app. When Chromecasting the tab is occasionally flaky I just plug in the spare HDMI that used to go to the Xbox.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by eric_h on Thursday January 14, 2016 @06:03PM (#10905499)
> Is it a DHCP thing

That threw me for a second. "What would DHCP have to do with HDMI?". Clearly you must have meant HDCP, which I suspect is what the GP was referring to.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by takeda on Thursday January 14, 2016 @03:45PM (#10904329)
They (I'm talking about publishers I don't believe this benefits Netflix in any way) are doing this at the time when Popcorn Time is available, and when you can add SuperRepo to Kodi and stream pirated movies from 1Channel.

I mean at this point the only reason people would want to use Netflix is feeling guilty about pirating. But how can you feel guilty when publisher is constantly trying to screw you over?

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by rhino369 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:30PM (#10904644)
From the IP holders point of view: Netflix streaming content they don't have the right to because the subscriber is using a VPN is no different than piracy.

The subscriber is just paying a middleman (netflix) for it. But they see no money for it. This is because one company doesn't typically hold the IP rights world wide.

Why does paying the wrong people make it better?

>I mean at this point the only reason people would want to use Netflix is feeling guilty about pirating.

That's ridiculous.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by LeoNatan25 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @03:49PM (#10904368)
None of these streaming services offer quality streams. Terribly compressed "1080"p with some silly 2.1 downmix. There's more to Netflix than just "guilty". It's a genuine source for a relatively high quality material.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by sangnoir on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:05PM (#10904469)
Availability beats quality. Given the choice between not watching anything because it's not in your Netflix region, and streaming/torrenting, most people would choose the latter.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by LeoNatan25 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:09PM (#10904493)
I'm not disputing that. I am arguing that given the choice of full Netflix library and the pirate streaming alternatives, there are more reasons to choose Netflix (or iTunes or Amazon) than just convenience.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by ultramancool on Thursday January 14, 2016 @03:51PM (#10904387)
Yeah, if you want quality, use Usenet.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by LeoNatan25 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:04PM (#10904459)
Usenet has become a cesspool of removed content and malware infected fakes for the most part (some password protected private posters exist, I am aware). It has become too famous for its own good. Private torrent trackers is where it's for me.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by ultramancool on Friday January 15, 2016 @10:30AM (#10909826)
Use Sonarr and CouchPotato, it does all the work for you, if something fails it just gets another copy. You don't touch anything, just wait a few minutes and it works its magic. For TV at least, it's the perfect set up.

If you're having takedown issues though you need a better provider.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by LeoNatan25 on Friday January 15, 2016 @04:58PM (#10912483)
To be honest, I am good with the torrent trackers I have now. I have found the ones that take care of my niche interests (remux, usually).
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by skrebbel on Thursday January 14, 2016 @03:50PM (#10904380)
> I mean at this point the only reason people would want to use Netflix is feeling guilty about pirating.

I don't think my Panasonic TV has a Popcorn Time app. Or my phone, for that matter.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by takeda on Friday January 15, 2016 @01:32PM (#10911117)
You can get Fire TV or similar and install Kodi on it. You can also install it directly on many other Smart TVs (I know it is possible on Samsung) but it might take more effort.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by roywiggins on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:12PM (#10904514)
Popcorn Time has both an iPhone and Android port.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by dingo_bat on Thursday January 14, 2016 @09:07PM (#10906594)
He was talking about his TV, which is unlikely to run iOS or Android. Even the TVs with Android probably cannot run all Android apps, you have to specifically target TVs.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by roywiggins on Thursday January 14, 2016 @11:46PM (#10907258)
I was addressing the "phone" part of it, really. PopcornTime works fine on phones.

(I easily sideloaded it onto a set-top Android box, it works fine but you need a mouse or trackpad to navigate the interface. I think it would work fine on any semi-recent Android version)

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by jamespo on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:34PM (#10904678)
Exactly, you're entitled to take what you want when you want for nothing :/
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by takeda on Friday January 15, 2016 @01:42PM (#10911190)
Pirating is not stealing, at most it is a lost sale for them.

If I want to watch a movie, am willing to pay and they don't make it available to me, what can I do? They wouldn't get my money either way. They are hurting themselves.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by jeena on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:52PM (#10904838)
Wait, I always thought Netflix was a payed service?
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by rhino369 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:58PM (#10904908)
>Gabe Newell: "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable."

And yet trackers are filled with content available on Steam, iTunes, Amazon instant, etc.

The idea that piracy is only a service problem is just as big of a myth as the idea that it is purely a pricing issue. It's can be both or either depending on the person.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by cynix on Thursday January 14, 2016 @06:48PM (#10905789)
> And yet trackers are filled with content available on Steam, iTunes, Amazon instant, etc.

At least for video/audio content, none of these paid services can match the quality (e.g. bitrate) of pirated torrents.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by BookmarkSaver on Thursday January 14, 2016 @07:41PM (#10906148)
There is no way that any significant portion of music piracy is due to audio quality qualms. I only have my own perspective, but outside of niche online communities I never even hear about things like "audio quality" or "bitrate" get talked about, but piracy is a massively widespread phenomenon. People pirate for money and convenience, rarely quality unless their ISP isn't reliable enough to stream.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by baddox on Thursday January 14, 2016 @09:03PM (#10906580)
> piracy is a massively widespread phenomenon

is a different statement than

"piracy is a problem"

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by _benedict on Friday January 15, 2016 @03:49AM (#10908036)
You realise those services aren't universally available, right?

Not that there aren't going to still be pirates anyway; there are plenty of people in the world who cannot afford those services.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by vacri on Thursday January 14, 2016 @03:57PM (#10904426)
Gabe's spot on the money for my use case. I used to pirate games relentlessly, all the way back to Amiga 500 days. Then Steam came along, got relatively stable, and I've not pirated a game since.

It's actually harder to get a pirated game now than one off Steam - you have to find a torrent or download location, find patches (if there are any), scour comments to see if there's any hint of malice in the download, and if it's not a popular game (or an old one), your torrent might take a long time. There are some limitations with Steam (including "what if it goes away?"), but the overall experience is much more frictionless.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by bbradley406 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @11:51PM (#10907265)
I'm in the same situation regarding Steam. The "What if it goes away?" question is a large one (and we'll see it in action as today's cloud services fold with time), but I believe they would distribute some form of patch that allows you to play your collection offline. In any case many cracking-scene patches are targeting the Steam versions of games, and if you've already paid for the game there's no financial harm to Valve in cracking it.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by sergiotapia on Thursday January 14, 2016 @05:02PM (#10904966)
That's the story for a lot of ex-pirates.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by jakobegger on Friday January 15, 2016 @12:40AM (#10907447)
Yes. I don't know why content producers don't get this.

I really want to legally buy/rent my media, but so much content just isn't available on iTunes in Austria.

And even when it is, it's a pain in the ass. We bought a few films for our kids to watch, but when I copied them to my old computer I couldn't play them because of the DRM. So I look for a way to strip the DRM from the files I legally bought so I can play them, which turns out to be surprisingly hard, and I just give up and torrent the film.

Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by JTon on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:45PM (#10904764)
Agreed. However, my ISP throttles torrents drastically during peak hours. It sucks. I can use Netflix with little issue, but I can't download a torrent faster than 25kbps
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by plaguuuuuu on Thursday January 14, 2016 @06:24PM (#10905617)
use a seedbox
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by eva1984 on Thursday January 14, 2016 @04:26PM (#10904609)
Streaming has made people lazy. Unless I want some shows really badly, I won't even bother to torrent it. Once you go streaming, you never go back..
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by erikb on Thursday January 14, 2016 @06:55PM (#10905842)
It would really surprise me if people at Netflix would read your comment and be shocked by the news. They are probably fighting against that localisation as much as they can, but the old structures/corps/cultures/laws are still too big and stubborn for a single company to completely beat them. So Netflix and co have to compromise. And they are still doing quite well, I'd say.
Re:Netflix to block proxy access to content not available lo... by DavideNL on Saturday January 16, 2016 @06:56PM (#10917474)
> Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem

agreed;

I have Netflix and HBO, and still regularly download videos and tv shows. It saddens me to see how little content is available legally. Some TV shows become available 1 or 2 years after being released in the US, for example at the moment i can't see Once Upon a Time season 5 (the previous seasons are on Netflix). So what are our options, wait 2 years even though you know it's already out there right now?

Not even the TV show Friends is available on Netflix where i live (in Europe). Sucks ass.