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Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by LargeCompanies on Sunday November 22, 2015 @04:05AM (#10609529)
Can someone help explain how this isn't anti-competitive?

I want to use and enjoy Sling.com and Netflix, yet doing so might cause me to go over my monthly data cap and in turn be costly. Yet, my Internet provider who controls the pipes and the arbitrary cap it has placed on me is offering a OTT type service that doesn't count against my cap; won't be costly to me.

How is that not anti-competitive?

It's a bit amazing that they are trying to pull this when no one likes them and this makes them look even worse!

Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by themartorana on Sunday November 22, 2015 @07:48AM (#10609911)
It's not like anti-competitive, monopolistic situations are new for cable companies. When that behavior is already your business model, and not only legal but in some cases protected by local governments... Well, if it ain't broke...
Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by privacy101 on Sunday November 22, 2015 @06:55AM (#10609819)
Couldn't Netflix setup IPTV as an option to the user to take advantage of the same loophole? or maybe the FCC could classify all streamed videos as IPTV...
Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by izacus on Sunday November 22, 2015 @07:07AM (#10609835)
That's just kicking the same can down the road and letting Comcast think of some other expensive obstacle for Netflix to favor their own services.
Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by privacy101 on Sunday November 22, 2015 @10:13AM (#10610256)
Not sure if the FCC has a set definition for IPTV that would make Netflix not IPTV ... if they don't, it would just require Netflix to say "we are IPTV too".
Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by anon4 on Sunday November 22, 2015 @08:45AM (#10610023)
They'll run out of loopholes eventually...
Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by schnable on Sunday November 22, 2015 @09:52AM (#10610196)
The thing is, it's _not_ an OTT service and that is why it isn't considered Internet traffic. It is offering a slimmed down cable tv package for a low price, and you use your own devices instead of a cable box.
Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by LargeCompanies on Sunday November 22, 2015 @09:02PM (#10612454)
Yes, but Netflix has and is the defacto streaming service to your own personal device. No matter how it's delivered if it walks and quacks like a duck it's a duck.

This is a bullet straight at Netflix and all other OTT services and the following Comcast rep to consumer conversation will go as followed....

Customer service rep, "Sure you can use Netflix and enjoy through any Internet device, but your going to have to be concerned about going over your monthly cap, which can get costly." "Though with our Stream TV you don't have to worry about that, you can stream all you want to your personal devices and it will never cost you more per month."

Awful.. anti-competitive ... needs to be shot down now!

Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by us0r on Sunday November 22, 2015 @07:41AM (#10609903)
Their former chief lobbyist is now their chief regulator.
Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by tzs on Sunday November 22, 2015 @12:08PM (#10610629)
If you are talking about Wheeler and the FCC, that is wrong.

Wheeler has never been employed by Comcast. He was once the head of the main cable trade association--over 30 years, when (1) Comcast was insignificant, (2) there were no cable ISPs as there was no public internet yet, and (3) being a cable lobbyist meant being on the pro-consumer side since cable was the small underdog going against the big broadcasters.

Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by skylan_q on Sunday November 22, 2015 @07:49AM (#10609913)
Over-deliver, you're anti-competitive. Over-charge, you're being a monopolist. Provide what everyone else provides at the price they provide it, you're colluding.

Businesses are trying to make a buck. The people coming up with and enforcing regulations are also just trying to make a buck.

Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by anon4 on Sunday November 22, 2015 @08:50AM (#10610038)
If Comcast ever over-deliver, I'll eat my hat.
Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by oldmanjay on Sunday November 22, 2015 @10:16AM (#10610264)
I get more download and upload speed than my package includes, and I am a Comcast customer. use salt, hats are gross.
Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by thatcat on Sunday November 22, 2015 @09:42AM (#10610164)
Its direct manipulation of your behavior through economics. What if your water company started pretending to be out of water then offered free car washes where they had placed ads playing 24/7? Luckily, the engineers in charge of most utilities are concerned with the technical challenges of meeting the market level of demand, not inventing awful business models that no one wants.
Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by skylan_q on Sunday November 22, 2015 @11:22AM (#10610489)
"What if your water company started pretending to be out of water then offered free car washes where they had placed ads playing 24/7?"

Then they'd be lying.

Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by Dylan16807 on Sunday November 22, 2015 @09:29AM (#10610125)
It's anti-competitive to use one business to over-subsidize another to get market share. Bundling IE, anti-competitive. Dropping the price below cost in a town that's getting fiber from someone else, anti-competitive.

Comcast improving price or speed or caps over their entire network is what everyone wants.

And if the caps had anything to do with infrastructure costs, they should be doubling every year or two. Instead we're up from 250GB in 2008 to 300GB in 2015.

Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by fweespeech on Sunday November 22, 2015 @08:39AM (#10610012)
But I wouldn't want to watch Comcast's service because its crap. So how are they "over delivering" as you put it?
Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by skylan_q on Sunday November 22, 2015 @11:19AM (#10610475)
I'm not following.

People are getting their bandwidth allotment AND additional services. Your contempt for them doesn't mean that they're anti-competitive.

Re:Comcast May Have Found a Net Neutrality Loophole by fweespeech on Monday November 23, 2015 @12:30PM (#10615799)
I am not getting the service I care about. I am getting crapware.