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Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by civilian on Friday June 26, 2015 @08:01PM (#9788439)
> His epiphany came when his current partner told him how she had lost her grandmother. Unlike Koremura’s loss, her grandmother had died alone—a kodokushi. It was seeing the deep regret in her, and accepting his own ennui, that made Koremura finally take action. He left his job as a stockbroker and set up his own removal company dedicated to the cleanup of kodokushi victims. He wanted to give something back to the generation of his grandmother, and he also wanted to change who he was. “I was ready for the prospect of change, but looking back, perhaps I wasn’t quite so ready for how different my life was to become,” he remembers.

It's odd that Toru Koremura's reaction to lonely elderly deaths was to go into the corpse-cleaning-up business, rather than starting a social outreach program for the lonely elderly. I understand there's dignity in how we treat the dead, but it doesn't solve the problem at all.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by teek on Friday June 26, 2015 @09:09PM (#9788651)
Japan is incredibly stubborn and ignorant when it comes to addressing core social and psychological problems in their society. It isn't even recognized by most of the population so when people begin to complain of their own social issues or depression, people around them will slowly distance themselves from that person. As a result, most people will choose to hide their issues until it is unbearable. At the point they feel they cannot continue is when they do something drastic which includes suicide.

If you bring the problem to light, people will just shy away from the debate (Japanese avoid arguments at all costs) and act ignorant. So to anyone that understands Japanese culture, Koremura's response is understandable. At least in the position he is in, he can do something.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by lani on Friday June 26, 2015 @11:16PM (#9788964)
How about a startup where one can dial a 1-800 number from Japan and get someone in ,say, Europe, who is also bored, and the two can rant to each other about how bad things are , and then go back to their lives ? International PainBuddy program, Dial-An-Agony . 1800-call-pain !! Best part, we pay a couple of life coaches to analyse some rants and provide anonymous advice
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by jackvalentine on Friday June 26, 2015 @11:35PM (#9789000)
I was going to comment that you'd have language issues but then I realised, most people who want to vent don't actually need to be understood they just need to get it out.

Good idea!

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by SomeStupidPoint on Saturday June 27, 2015 @05:43AM (#9789638)
It might actually work better if a European makes soothing noises and a Japanese person makes soothing noises at a European in exchange, without either side knowing what the topic is.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by lani on Sunday June 28, 2015 @01:53AM (#9792573)
there's also google translate to help out
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by nostrademons on Saturday June 27, 2015 @01:58AM (#9789267)
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by RaSoJo on Saturday June 27, 2015 @08:49AM (#9789986)
I cannot agree with you enough. I must add that, personally i feel more comfortable discussing problems with total strangers - this avoids the social ramifications part. do hope someone picks this idea up seriously.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by keithpeter on Saturday June 27, 2015 @06:14AM (#9789705)
"Japan is incredibly stubborn and ignorant when it comes to addressing core social and psychological problems in their society."

Not just Japan

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-33...

Politicians in the UK talk about community this and community that but in practice we are losing the ties between neighbours/families.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by contergan on Saturday June 27, 2015 @07:42AM (#9789850)
Well, what do you expect? Multiculturalism and a strong sense of community don't really go together very well.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by deckiedan on Saturday June 27, 2015 @11:43AM (#9790479)
I really strongly disagree with the sentiment of this comment. I've been living and working in a very ethnically / culturally diverse non-profit charity organisation for several years now. We're a Christian charity, so there are strong religious ties across the board, but huge cultural differences.

A sense of community is far more developed by the shared experiences together, rather than just the similarity of past culture. I always had a very strong sense of community with the people I did my initial training with, and the people I worked with every day. Much less so with the people from a similar culture.

I'm currently living in Carlisle, in the North of England. Very mono-cultural, very white, working class, etc. There's really not a lot of sense of community at all. After the flooding a few years (shared experiences) there was. But here now? No. Most people just sit at home in the evenings watching TV, and never do things together (much shared past / culture, they often watch the same shows, but no shared experiences, so little sense of community).

My wife and I work quite hard to deliberately develop community, inviting people over for meals, (board-)games evenings, barbecues, etc.

But the thing is now, you have to be deliberate about creating community. It's no longer automatic.

Personally, I blame TV hugely. It's far too easy these days to spend all ones free / down time disconnected from the people around you. The internet just continues the trend.

In our organisation, on board our ship(s) ( http://www.logoshope.org/ ) which doesn't have TV, when people started having their own laptops that were able to watch TV series and movies on, we saw a huge shift in community, from people in free time hanging out together and talking, playing games, exploring, etc, to people sitting on their own in their cabins playing computer games, watching TV / movies, etc. And the sense of community suffered.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by deckiedan on Saturday June 27, 2015 @03:31PM (#9791269)
Expanding a bit on what I mean by shared experience:

There's a huge difference between active and passive experience. Listening to a lecture is a passive experience. Asking questions is an active one. Watching TV is a passive experience. Playing a board game is an active one. The exact definitions can be a bit hazy, but the major concept should be fairly clear.

This is why in longer training courses / workshops run for a bunch of people from different communities, rather than from an already established one, there's often an 'icebreaker' game which is interactive and requires active participation, rather than just watching a funny cat video, or listening to a talk straight away. Even if the game is a little bit boring, or if you don't remember anyone's name, you have now all got at least one shared active experience, and a (slight) sense of community. If there's already a sense of community, then this is less needed, obviously. This sense of community is then useful for getting people to offer assistance to each other, be more likely to ask questions, make team discussions / activities later on much more interactive, and so on.

It's why there is a sense of community on slashdot, here, github, etc. and many many communities on reddit, youtube etc. but bbc, cnn, amazon, netflicks, etc. don't (much). Even if many many people watch BBC, or the same tv series on netflicks, and spend hours watching the same content as other people there, there's very little active participation. Often any active participation is lost amongst all the other noise, rather than becoming a shared active experience with other people. 30 people watch a glove and boots video, make their own responses, and watch each others videos, and maybe make responses to those responses. They will feel like a community. 300000 people watch it and 'like' it, and then go on to watch a video about kittens, and maybe like that too. They may enjoy their time, but won't feel like a community.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by keithpeter on Saturday June 27, 2015 @02:05PM (#9790978)
"Very mono-cultural, very white, working class, etc. There's really not a lot of sense of community at all."

My experience also in multi-ethnic Birmingham. I think shared experience is the key.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by goldfeld on Saturday June 27, 2015 @01:09PM (#9790770)
When bigots run the place and "community" more often than not stands for segregative christian values, they really don't.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by deckiedan on Saturday June 27, 2015 @03:52PM (#9791334)
Trying not to feed the trolls, but:

Segregation and discrimination are far away from any of the teachings of Jesus. He partied and hung out with prostitutes, tax collectors, and other social outcasts of the day. He was killed alongside thieves, and spoke to them without disparaging. He, as a Jew, travelled to the Samaritan towns (a people-group treated apartheid style by Israel back-then), stayed with them and treated them as equals. He spoke kindly to a woman caught in adultery that the community wanted to stone to death, and through his response to her, saved her life. He treated all sin (falling short of the intended perfect standard) as proving us all equally fallen.

His teaching boiled down to: All people are broken, and failed. No-one is better than anyone else, and any 'self-righteousness' you may think you have because of your religion, or background, race, whatever, is of no value in the end at all. But God still loves us, come back to him!

The Pharisees (essentially the fundamentalist evangelicals of the time) and other religious leaders slammed him for this, and it was because their power over the people being challenged by him that they ended up conspiring to murder him.

Please don't take the rude, abusive, hurtful, bigotted and unwelcoming attitudes of certain people who call themselves 'Christians' to actually be values originating in the teachings of Christ.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by goldfeld on Sunday June 28, 2015 @04:30PM (#9794962)
Sorry, I'm no troll on most days. I agree with you on Jesus, but mainstream christianity was already so far removed from his teaching just a few centuries after his death. I could be interpreted to have said "those christians with segregative values", of which there are many communities, priests/pastors and churches. You can say they're not christians, and I'd even fancy your definition, but they would beg to differ, splattering Jesus on your face.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by Sharlin on Saturday June 27, 2015 @06:35AM (#9789751)
Often "the community" is just a buzzword used by the political right when trying to weasel out of responsibilities belonging to the state.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by adwf on Saturday June 27, 2015 @07:01AM (#9789786)
Yeah, a lot of the local government stuff in the UK is the equivalent of the US saying: "Oh, we believe this is a states rights issue, therefore we're not gonna do anything about it."

It's another way of saying, fix it yourself. Oddly enough though, when we actually have the government step in, then all sorts of people start complaining about the nanny state.

Politics - Damned if you do, damned if you don't!

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by velodrome on Saturday June 27, 2015 @12:18AM (#9789080)
Solution: Meetups. I am not sure if you remember an article from last year about elderly Koreans (in NY) who would do weekly meetups to check on each other...Maybe something like this can work in Japan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/nyregion/fighting-a-mcdona...

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by smil on Saturday June 27, 2015 @12:48AM (#9789154)
How has your country (you must be American) distinguished itself by doing these same core social and psychological issues? Or are Americans stubborn and ignorant?
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by white-flame on Saturday June 27, 2015 @03:19AM (#9789382)
America is home to thousands if not millions of volunteer groups, social change movements, debates and university studies on these sorts of situations. There isn't any sort of central government ministry dealing with stuff like this, but large independent swathes of society do try to work to establish where these problems come from, and how best to deal with them.

If anything, Americans would suffer more from fatigue by being bombarded with tons of national social issues to genuinely worry about and try to work against, rather than remaining in denial about them.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by protomyth on Saturday June 27, 2015 @12:40PM (#9790670)
In part of the USA, the tradition of churches tending to the flock is still going strong. Also, the local gathering place where folks swap news and talk (the bakery in the small town I'm in) is still a fixture.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by SixSigma on Saturday June 27, 2015 @01:19AM (#9789218)
Britains of a certain age are stoic and stubborn.

I was in hospital with my gran (born in 1922) in ICU (a pulse of 33bpm - and turns out she had kidney failure too), when alone with me she was gripping my hand and saying "this is the worst I have ever felt", when a few minutes later the doctor arrive d and asked "how are you feeling?" she replied "I'm fine thank you".

I think the current crop of younger people will be more vocal, if their sense of entitlement about their current lives is anything to go by.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by mgkimsal on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:18AM (#9790227)
Not stoic so much, but my uk wife sliced her hand open on a can of cat food (in the US). 3 inch gash right across her palm. Bleeding. A lot. Wrapped it up in towel and said "we're going to the emergency room, get in the car". She replied "oh no, I don't want to bother them, they might be busy."
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by keithpeter on Saturday June 27, 2015 @06:17AM (#9789713)
My mum (b 1933) did that as well. Either my sister or I had to be there when the doctors came round. Nurses were observant as well and kept records.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by jonahx on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:30AM (#9790262)
Serious question: What gave you the impression he was American? I assumed the opposite -- that only a Japanese person, or at least the child of first-generation Japanese immigrants, would have made that post.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by smil on Sunday June 28, 2015 @01:36AM (#9792538)
He obviously knows nothing and so fit the ignorant and arrogant American stereotype to a t.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by A_COMPUTER on Friday June 26, 2015 @11:08PM (#9788944)
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by impendia on Friday June 26, 2015 @11:18PM (#9788967)
I lived in Japan for two years, and studied the language, and it was amazing how that sentence always brought any discussion to a conclusion.

Grammatically, its negation would be "Shikata ga aru", but I never heard this said once.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by kazinator on Saturday June 27, 2015 @12:38AM (#9789131)
Maybe that negation would be too obviously related to the idiom. There are other ways to say there is a way; e.g. instead of shikata, there is houhou: 方法 (方法がある).

The counter-idiom, if you will, to "nothing can be done" might be "where there is a will, there is a way":

意志のあるところには方法がある。

If someone says しょうがない or しかたがない, and you don't agree, that might be the thing.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by sdrothrock on Sunday June 28, 2015 @09:04PM (#9795894)
> The counter-idiom, if you will, to "nothing can be done" might be "where there is a will, there is a way":

I've always thought of the counter-idiom as being やればできる (yareba dekiru) -- "you can do it if you try."

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by sliverstorm on Saturday June 27, 2015 @12:29AM (#9789109)
Sounds like it's a thought-terminating cliche- of which we have many in English.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by cmdrfred on Saturday June 27, 2015 @08:20AM (#9789916)
well, that's just the way it goes.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by reagency on Saturday June 27, 2015 @02:21PM (#9791043)
"It's God's will."
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by gcv on Saturday June 27, 2015 @10:52AM (#9790330)
English has an equivalent: "it is what it is". It also stops solution-seeking dead in its tracks. A hateful little phrase.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by protomyth on Saturday June 27, 2015 @12:43PM (#9790684)
That's educational. Had a boss who normally on an even keel then someone said "it is what it is" to him and he got very, very angry. It was like someone kicked him. He said that was just unacceptable and we would find a solution / work around. I guess I now know the other half of the story.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by mjklin on Friday June 26, 2015 @11:48PM (#9789027)
Ah, this must be the Japanese equivalent of the Chinese "mei banfa" (没办法), probably the national slogan. Oh, they are building a dam and you need to move your house twenty metres up the hill? "Mei banfa".
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by navbaker on Saturday June 27, 2015 @01:35AM (#9789234)
Wow, I knew this phrase from the Metasploit encoder, but never knew that it had such deep cultural meaning!
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by kentt on Friday June 26, 2015 @08:16PM (#9788491)
I think this is very cultural. It's about honouring them in their death.

Though I understand, that does sound off to my western mind.

Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by cubancigar11 on Saturday June 27, 2015 @04:12AM (#9789451)
I think the problem is present in all the countries where traditional marriage system has been broken. The only difference between USA and Japan will be that you can find old-homes very easily in USA. Japan being a very conservative country that prides itself over 'protecting' all the bad symptoms of its culture will not solve this problem because, ironically, they think that this is what makes them 'Japanese'.
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by kaitai on Saturday June 27, 2015 @11:37AM (#9790458)
I don't think it's related to "traditional marriage systems," but instead to social nets and expectations about who will do the caring. For instance, in Scandinavia marriage rates have simply plunged over the last few decades -- fewer and fewer people get married, even though they are still getting together. But social safety nets ensure that taking care of children or older relatives is not such a financial burden as in Japan. Marriage isn't necessary to supporting elders or children in Scandinavia. In Japan, though, there is very little government support. Families are the main line of support, and it is expensive!
Re:The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and u... by sliverstorm on Friday June 26, 2015 @08:24PM (#9788504)
Both are needed.