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Re:Ask HN: What are you doing to improve your health? by oh_sigh on Friday April 10, 2015 @01:40PM (#9355884)
I agree with you completely, just adding my two cents: I've done strength training for 5 years and am just now getting into volume training(strength is basically moving high weights for low number of reptitions, volume is moving medium weights for a high number of repititions). If I could go back, I would do a mixed routine from the beginning. Strength gains are nice, but the aesthetic gains from a volume routine are amazing, and are a really nice motivating factor to keep it up.
Re:Ask HN: What are you doing to improve your health? by tghw on Friday April 10, 2015 @03:22PM (#9356563)
I agree. I recently started Wendler's 5-3-1 Triumvirate program[0]. It pairs one strength lift with two volume lifts. I really like making progress in both simultaneously. It takes a little more time (45 mins-1 hour, 4 days/week) than Starting Strength, but I feel like it's worth it.

[0] https://www.t-nation.com/workouts/531-how-to-build-pure-stre... Scroll to the very bottom for the program.

Re:Ask HN: What are you doing to improve your health? by hdivider on Friday April 10, 2015 @02:21PM (#9356143)
Interesting. Never encountered volume training before. Seems like the benefits could go beyond aesthetics.

Is medium weights + high repetitions all there is to it, or is there some more theory here? Got any links? :)

Can only find references to German volume training - not sure if that's the same.

Re:Ask HN: What are you doing to improve your health? by jclos on Friday April 10, 2015 @03:07PM (#9356453)
"Seems like the benefits could go beyond aesthetics."

They do. Volume, usually defined using tonnage (weight x reps x sets) at a certain intensity (% of your maximal strength) is the main predictor not only of hypertrophy but also of strength gains in training. That is why all of the strongest powerlifters, who are only interested in moving as much weight as possible, train in that way (medium/heavy weights). Coach/powerlifter Greg Nuckols has written two books on the topic (The Art of Lifting and the Science of Lifting) which are sort of summarizing the literature on the subject, but you can find a lot of the content for free on his blog strengtheory (for example this post: http://www.strengtheory.com/more-is-more/)

Two other web pages offering meta analysis of the literature are http://www.strengthandconditioningresearch.com/strength/#3 (about strength) and http://www.strengthandconditioningresearch.com/hypertrophy/#... (about hypertrophy)

Re:Ask HN: What are you doing to improve your health? by hdivider on Friday April 10, 2015 @03:13PM (#9356499)
This is very helpful. Thank you!
Re:Ask HN: What are you doing to improve your health? by fapjacks on Friday April 10, 2015 @03:21PM (#9356558)
I can second this from personal experience. People that spend an hour in the gym pumping away at 50% capacity with bicep curls are never going to see the kinds of gains they imagine. You will get the gains you want by pushing yourself to muscle failure within a couple of sets every single time you hit the gym. Short, powerful workouts is how you encourage testosterone production, which is exactly how you get strength (and naturally, size follows). As a side note, you must be very careful about preventing injury. It's very easy to injure yourself if you're always doing your max. It takes incredible concentration.
Re:Ask HN: What are you doing to improve your health? by nazgob on Friday April 10, 2015 @05:12PM (#9357142)
Hmm, didn't he just said opposite?
Re:Ask HN: What are you doing to improve your health? by oh_sigh on Friday April 10, 2015 @05:23PM (#9357186)
Yes, the person you responded to has it completely backwards. Strength training is important, but volume training is what will give you big muscles. Look for any body building routine(which is solely focused on aesthetics, and not at all focused on strength), and you will see that it has a very large volume. I lifted for strength only for 5 years and saw very little progress in aesthetics. I've seen more progress in 6 months of GVT(a volume focused training program) than I did in 5 years of heavy weight training.

Here is Kai Greenes(runner up Mr. Universe) take on the matter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8wZNGL4iA4 . You probably don't want to look like him, but you have to admit he knows what he's talking about.

Just google "volume vs intensity training" for a million hits on the subject.

Re:Ask HN: What are you doing to improve your health? by fapjacks on Monday April 13, 2015 @12:32PM (#9368597)
The way I look right now is the only proof I need that lifting exactly like I described is giving me extremely good results. You don't know anything about me, let alone what I look like, and you're telling me I'm wrong. I didn't get this big curling five pound weights everyday for an hour, let me tell you. But everybody is always right these days, so you'll go to your grave thinking what you're saying is right. At the end of the day, what I described has gotten me huge in half the time any other workout routine has over the years.
Re:Ask HN: What are you doing to improve your health? by Throwaway90283 on Wednesday April 15, 2015 @03:11AM (#9379336)
Kai Greenes is saying to use a lower weight so you can manage proper form. Sacrificing form just to hit a number goal, or to impress the person beside you at the gym is only going to lower your gains.

That has nothing to do with volume training, that's just proper weightlifting in general.

Re:Ask HN: What are you doing to improve your health? by revscat on Saturday April 11, 2015 @08:13AM (#9359215)
Do you have any recommended sources for GVT? The ones I have found thus far are fairly suspect and light on details.
Re:Ask HN: What are you doing to improve your health? by wdewind on Friday April 10, 2015 @02:34PM (#9356242)
Sure, this thread is about health, which true volume training is not necessary for.
Re:Ask HN: What are you doing to improve your health? by oh_sigh on Friday April 10, 2015 @05:48PM (#9357285)
The most important part of an exercise routine is sticking with it. Doing a volume program is way, way healthier than doing nothing at all. I find that the aesthetic gains make me more motivated to go to the gym than when I was just increasing the total poundage of weight I could move in one rep.
Re:Ask HN: What are you doing to improve your health? by wdewind on Friday April 10, 2015 @06:01PM (#9357349)
Totally fair, I'm more interested (and thought this thread was about) figuring out the optimal ways to do things, compliance being ignored. Considering compliance changes a lot of things.