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Re:Amazon Dash Button by tonyhb on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @11:34AM (#9297001)
It's not just a physical button — it's an API. If you develop a hardware product you can apparently integrate with Dash to order supplies from the embedded controller.

Information is here: https://www.amazon.com/oc/dash-replenishment-service

Apparently, Whirlpool washing machines and Brita water filters will be using it. This doesn't help for basics like paper towels, but it would work for paper towel holders (if it's true). The IoT is here.

Re:Amazon Dash Button by wspeirs on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @11:40AM (#9297071)
I'd worry about an appliance too quickly re-ordering. My printer refused to print because it thought the toner was all gone. A black marker to the sensor on the side of the toner and I'm back and printing. It's been almost a month now and still going strong.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by jader201 on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @11:45AM (#9297144)
Similarly, I can definitely see Brita ordering these prematurely, based on their (IMO) very aggressive refill recommendations.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by teddyuk on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @11:49AM (#9297193)
which is why a button makes so much sense, auto ordering is bad, this seems much better
Re:Amazon Dash Button by maratd on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @12:22PM (#9297528)
Sure, I would love to press a button that will order things for me without seeing the price I'm going to pay ... oh wait, no, Amazon would love that, I wouldn't.

This is for people who don't care what things cost and that don't have children (children loooove pressing buttons!).

Re:Amazon Dash Button by cdmcmahon on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @01:13PM (#9298050)
1. It sends an alert to your phone with the price and easy cancellation. (I was actually surprised at this feature, because I cynically agreed that Amazon would use this to constantly be trying to pull one over on customers.)

2. I also believe it said that repeat clicks will not order until the previous order delivers, which should help somewhat on repeat orders.

Re:Amazon Dash Button by exelius on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @01:09PM (#9298002)
This product isn't really aimed at price-sensitive consumers, but I also don't see Amazon fucking over their customers with this. One thing I like about Amazon is that they don't play pricing games: they show you the best price in the search results, period.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by ajanuary on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @01:12PM (#9298044)
When you push the button you get a push notification to your phone, which will show you the price and give you the option to cancel it, which at least gives you some way to back out if the price is hiked up.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by jessaustin on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @01:24PM (#9298174)
children loooove pressing buttons!

Haha as I read TFA I envisioned the UPS guy unloading boxes and boxes of toilet paper at the homes of my young nieces and nephews.

Re:Amazon Dash Button by oneeyedpigeon on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @12:28PM (#9297575)
I can't imagine there wouldn't be a way to limit the price you pay; it might even be illegal otherwise.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by travisp on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @12:51PM (#9297816)
Most likely you could cancel or return for a refund.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by tonyedgecombe on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @01:15PM (#9298079)
It does give the illusion of control.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by TheSoftwareGuy on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @09:43PM (#9301065)
I think they make it so you always get alert when something is ordered, so that you can cancel it.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by onion2k on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @11:59AM (#9297298)
The IoT is here.

Hardware is the easy bit in the whole IoT business model. The tricky bit will be persuading people that it's something they need. For this business model to work it has to solve a big enough problem that taking the time to sign up for something like this button, getting it delivered, setting it up, and actually remembering to press it when necessary is worth the effort. That's a challenging thing to market to people - especially those who live outside of the tech industry. Which is most people.

"Build it, they will come" will not work here. Because it doesn't work anywhere.

Re:Amazon Dash Button by exelius on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @01:06PM (#9297968)
This isn't a product for consumers, this is a product for CPG companies. As a result, I imagine a lot of the cost here will be covered by the companies making the products. If Amazon covers the logistics of everything (making the buttons, managing the APIs, stocking and delivering the products, managing payments) then P&G just pays to give you a "Tide" button.

CPGs will pay a LOT for this because it makes their brands "stickier". I can't tell you what brand of paper towels I normally buy, but if I always bought them through my "Bounty" button, I would always buy Bounty paper towels instead of whatever is on sale at the store.

I doubt this button connects to Wi-Fi directly - that's too much hassle (and too power-hungry). I wonder if Amazon has some sort of Zigbee-like controller embedded in the Amazon Echo that is set up to manage low-power devices like this.

Re:Amazon Dash Button by tprynn on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @04:44PM (#9299760)
Wi-Fi is power hungry because it's always on. It seems like these little buttons would only need to connect when you press them, then shut off right after. It's a very minor power draw when you consider the wi-fi will only run for 15 seconds every month or so. Of course, that's my read on it - maybe it does connect to the Echo.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by jessaustin on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @01:18PM (#9298113)
CPGs will pay a LOT for this because it makes their brands "stickier".

Exactly right, and this is exactly analogous to brands (or more often, their distributors) renting shelf space, and sometimes even hiring their own people to stock shelves.

Re:Amazon Dash Button by untog on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @11:53AM (#9297231)
Great, so now when I buy a Whirlpool washing machine it'll be hardcoded to use <brand name> products with its reorder button. Gross, gross, gross.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by iNate2000 on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @11:58AM (#9297280)
Or you'll have to set up your MyWhirlpool account on their website so that you can pair their app on your iPhone with your washing machine so you can search their incomplete list of detergent brands and add your second choice to your MyWhirlpoolBrandSelect Favorites List and then give up when Amazon seems to stop supporting that brand.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by moe on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @12:10PM (#9297415)
The MyWhirlpool website will also require the Silverlight plugin and you'll have to connect your washing machine with an USB cable in order to do anything.

Every once in a while the button will just randomly stop working and you'll have to go through the motions again.

Re:Amazon Dash Button by mortenjorck on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @02:53PM (#9298979)
Finally, after several months of struggling against the sunk-cost fallacy that forces you to spend more time working with auto-ordering than you would simply manually ordering detergent because this washing machine cost $700 more than the non-connected model, you concede defeat and return to ordering from your phone.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by wlesieutre on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @01:07PM (#9297984)
More like "You'll have to call a technician to replace the machine's motherboard for $1500 dollars because the machine won't start up at all if it can't get a response from the button."

Looking at you, printer/scanner combos that won't print because the scanner is failing.

Re:Amazon Dash Button by wmeredith on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @01:43PM (#9298370)
It would be easier to just wash my fucking dishes.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by lfowles on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @03:31PM (#9299243)
I find it frustrating to wash dishes in the washing machine as well.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by mynameisvlad on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @12:02PM (#9297331)
Or you could, oh, I don't know, do what you've always done and go buy products yourself? Or buy a separate button for your product of choice? You don't have to use the built in system.

And there is absolutely no indication it's hardcoded to use a specific product.

Re:Amazon Dash Button by mseebach on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @12:05PM (#9297356)
So you'll have to go through the improbably strenuous exercise, mustering all your strength, and .. not configure and/or push the button. Then go to the Amazon website and order a button you can configure to deliver whatever product Amazon stocks for the shockingly ruinous price of zero.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by nevir on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @12:29PM (#9297590)
Well, Amazon has control here. They could enforce that the consumer has the option to change the brand of the ordered item.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by allannienhuis on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @12:00PM (#9297301)
Where do you see that the Whirlpool washing machine will be hard coded to use <brand name> products? The system is controlled via the smartphone app. I would think you could re-assign the product/brand associated with the button on the machine.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by raldi on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @03:05PM (#9299064)
So buy a brand of washer that partners with multiple detergent companies, including the one you like.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by famousactress on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @11:54AM (#9297240)
I wonder how open they are (they do say open to hobbyists). I'd really like to whip up a RaspberryPi box with buttons for things I actually reorder (instead of depending on particular brand partnerships).
Re:Amazon Dash Button by thearn4 on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @12:50PM (#9297801)
I'd be interested in that too, just to have a simple stock wifi-enabled button that is easy to configure for a general API endpoint.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by walterbell on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @11:49AM (#9297187)
Is there a one-click IoT purchase/event/signal patent? There must be many open, generic BLE buttons which can trigger users events, sending recurring orders directly to a vendor, without needing to go through a middleman API.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by matthewowen on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @01:02PM (#9297931)
I feel somewhat uneasy about allowing products I bought to automatically order consumables made by their manufacturer...
Re:Amazon Dash Button by melling on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @12:31PM (#9297609)
In that case, I'd rather just have a tiny iBeacon/NFC device that launches my phone app then let's me tap on a software button.
Re:Amazon Dash Button by dguaraglia on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @01:30PM (#9298222)
How is that any easier than just pushing one hardware button?
Re:Amazon Dash Button by melling on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @02:18PM (#9298678)
I didn't say it would be easier. I want something a lot smaller and less visible. Plus using the beacon is optional. If I'm on the couch and want to place aa couple quick refills...
Re:Amazon Dash Button by bweitzman on Tuesday March 31, 2015 @12:58PM (#9297887)
I can't wait to see smart paper towel holders.