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Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by tdaltonc on Monday February 02, 2015 @11:51PM (#8988909)
It would be really great to fix the IRS's digital presence. Make TurboTax obsolete. I hate TurboTax.
Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by bluthru on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @12:15AM (#8988968)
You'll hate them even more: They're one reason why taxes are more complicated than they should/could be.

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/04/auto...

Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by beerbajay on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @01:34AM (#8989180)
Here in Sweden you receive a fully-filled-in tax declaration from the Tax Office. For 99% of people with normal jobs, all you have to do is confirm the declaration on their website OR by sending an SMS OR by calling a telephone number OR by using their app.
Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by jkestner on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @10:17AM (#8990778)
California piloted ReadyReturn doing the same thing 10 years ago. People who chose to use it loved it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReadyReturn

Anyone used it? I guess it's now been rolled into the main filing system.

Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by wil421 on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @10:25AM (#8990840)
Its a lot easier when your entire country is less than 10 million.

In the US, we pay state and federal tax so there may be difference in what you can deduct from one another. For example I didn't deduct my Health Care premiums from Federal because I used the standard deduction. Because of this I was able to deduct the premiums from my State taxes.

This is why we can't just confirm the declaration, too many variables at play someone could use for a deduction.

The telephone thing sounds great too bad its probably too security conscious to allow those methods.

Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by sumedh on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @12:22PM (#8991646)
> Its a lot easier when your entire country is less than 10 million.

I just dont understand why do people use this excuse. No one is saying that you have to implement a new idea for all Americans the next day.

Start a pilot project with 1 or 10 million people. See if the idea works. If it works, implement it nationwide.

> too many variables at play someone could use for a deduction.

Going to the moon involves too many variables, are you saying that building an website to handle taxes automatically (or atleast which does most of your work) is more difficult than rocket science?

Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by mcguire on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @01:16PM (#8992035)
Many people with "normal jobs" in the U.S. can file the 1040EZ, which at least originally almost fit on a post-card. (http://www.irs.gov/uac/Form-1040EZ,-Income-Tax-Return-for-Si...)

(I wouldn't know, actually; I've apparently never had a "normal job".)

Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by fuzzix on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @03:20AM (#8989378)
Ireland has a Pay As You Earn system which is usually administered by your employer. Mostly, you do nothing and the money is paid.

Every 5 years, file a P21 to check you're not due any refunds.

If you're self-employed, it's a bloody nightmare.

Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by sjtrny on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @03:49AM (#8989429)
5 years seems like a long time to wait for a tax refund. Especially tax refunds totalling $2500+ are quite common here in Australia. We have a PAYG system too.
Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by fuzzix on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @07:50AM (#8990020)
You don't have to wait 5 years, you can request them yearly. They just go back 5 years (I think).
Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by nitrogen on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @03:18AM (#8989377)
I'm guessing the US IRS wants to avoid giving tax frauds an implied list of everything they don't know. They may be worried that anybody with income not listed on their pre-filled declaration will not report it.
Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by spinchange on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @06:34AM (#8989795)
Tax frauds already know 'cash' income (sans withholrding) is often not reported so they're already an honor system anyway (Everyone is really -- even 'cash' is often reported on the 1099 too).

People using tax avoidance schemes through itemization or 'loopholes' wouldn't simply use a standard pre-filled form 1040 either, or rather, they wouldn't stop at that. Same goes for corp returns, dividend and interest income, etc.

With U.S. employers already transmitting wage and withholding data to the federal government, there's simply no good excuse not to 'autofill' it and/or just make the reconciliation & acknowledgement of those values easier other than an entire industry is vested in it being a complicated process most people would rather pay them (or use their products and services) to take care of.

Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by mentat on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @01:35AM (#8989184)
I found their Superbowl ad particularly offensive. Basically it asserted you don't need representation in taxation as long as it was "free to file". Totally absurd.
Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by sliverstorm on Monday February 02, 2015 @11:57PM (#8988924)
Same goes for the DMV, as well as countless other citizen-facing government orgs. Math & administration is really the roots of computing.

Edit: I'm rather unclear what is objectionable here.

Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by mattlutze on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @07:23AM (#8989949)
Virginia's DMV offers a ton of its services online. It can take a bit to get around their site, but it is overall a much more friendly experience than needing to go into a brick-and-mortar for plate renewals and the sort.
Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by driverdan on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @01:23PM (#8992113)
DMV is a state agency though so it's a lot more complex than national agencies.
Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by tdaltonc on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @12:14AM (#8988964)
Yes! There are so many DMV things I'd like to do online.
Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by vxNsr on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @12:00AM (#8988932)
Yeah, maybe find a way to make sure that pesky, embarrassing emails don't suddenly get deleted/disappear.
Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by toomuchtodo on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @01:16AM (#8989136)
Those emails were recovered (http://www.wsj.com/articles/lost-irs-emails-found-1417122396). Make of that what you will.
Re:Join the U.S. Digital Service by chrdlu on Tuesday February 03, 2015 @11:48AM (#8991400)
From my understanding, one of the reasons the IRS is so behind is because the initial code base was written in Assembly. Only a handful of people understand how it works...and they're all getting old (they have also been motivated not to help because the knowledge gave them leverage and job security). These days, a friend's father is helping them out going line by line and translating the Assembly into Java.

From what I hear, there were some bugs/loopholes built into the original system. For the new Java translation, the effects of the bugs have to be programmed in because of legislation and regulation rules. In other words, the new Java code needs to behave exactly the same as the original Assembly code. Not the easiest task...