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Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by jgrahamc on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:24PM (#8845564)
That experience radically changed my opinion about my daughter’s future. All of a sudden I was frustrated that she was stuck wasting her time in high school taking yet another history class, when she could be doing what she wanted to do with her life and spending all day learning skills that will help her in her chosen career.

Because, you know, fuck History. What use is that?

Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by edgyswingset on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:33PM (#8845638)
That part shocked me the most. History is one of the most eye-opening subjects you can possibly learn, and requires significant critical thinking skills to be able to really understand things. Think a big codebase is complex? Try understanding the motivations behind ancient law systems, and how they affected their peoples over the centuries.

Not to mention the perspective it can offer people. There are so many things repeated throughout history which could have been avoided had people focused more on an objective understanding of the past.

Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by dozzie on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @02:14PM (#8846310)
Except that school doesn't teach any of that. It only focuses on bunch of facts like dates, without trying to penetrate the subject with any reasoning. After all, testing how one reasons is much, much more difficult than testing if he/she knows several dates correctly.

Moreover, structure of history classes is mostly time-based, without much correlation beside when something happened. But history could be split along different axes. How much connection is there between Russo-Swedish War and French Revolution, anyway? Why teach them one after another only because they happened at the same time?

Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by bvanslyke on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:29PM (#8845598)
My jaw dropped at this point. It's more like "fuck being a well-rounded person". Or fuck understanding references that educated people make in everyday life.
Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by atom-morgan on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:32PM (#8845626)
Maybe it's just me (and I'm not defending OP here) but looking back on my high-school history classes at age 24, we essentially covered the same shit we had all the previous years. Slightly more detail and different styles of homework but that's about it.
Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by cmsmith on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @01:20PM (#8846029)
That's the entire point of history classes, and makes a lot more sense than saying "in your first class you will learn every fact between the year 0 and 1000, in your second class between 1001 and 1500, ...". It's much more effective to start off with by providing context, then as minds get more educated to get into details.

The object of high school history wasn't to teach you the names of all the kings of England. It was to give you a context to understand the modern world. [1]

[1] http://www.paulgraham.com/know.html

Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by GolfyMcG on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @01:08PM (#8845944)
Don't be so incredulous. No where does he say "fuck being a well-rounded person." He thinks her time is being wasted in school which I think is certainly capable of being argued. Schools are designed to fit most people. By their very nature they're supposed to be good enough for everyone but rarely perfect for individuals.
Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by Vendan on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:32PM (#8845628)
So every homeschooled child is automatically ill-educated? Or maybe, a child with parents that actually care about their child and her interests is rather lucky?
Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by bvanslyke on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:44PM (#8845726)
I'll just say, even though public school history education may have its problems, at least generally its not taught by someone who considers studying history to be a waste of time.

"Let's try and breeze past this useless mumbo jumbo as fast as we can; we have a LOT of web frameworks to cover!"

Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by astine on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:38PM (#8845685)
I was a homeschooled kid whose father taught him programming. I still managed to learn the value of history.
Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by esfandia on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:46PM (#8845744)
If one is home-schooled by parents who give the child a well-rounded education, why not. In this case, one parent is explicitly considering history to be a useless topic.
Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by tzs on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @04:09PM (#8847143)
No ancestor of your comment said anything about homeschooling.
Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by Vendan on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @07:26PM (#8848087)
No, they implied that she was going to get a horrible education doing it at home and online, which I would consider to be homeschooling.
Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by tzs on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @04:49AM (#8849643)
Yes, they implied (or outright stated that) she was going to get a horrible education, but they did NOT imply that it was due to being homeschooled, nor did they imply that every homeschooled person would get a horrible education.
Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by bmj on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:38PM (#8845684)
On one hand, I totally agree with you. Despite that fact that I don't "use" it everyday, I think my liberal arts education (both in high school and college) was immensely useful in teaching me how to think.

On the other hand, done properly something like this could become a fine mentor/apprenticeship program for kids that don't want to follow the typical college route.

I guess it's easy to be reactionary about this piece because the author is so flippant about the uses of things outside of programming, and the fact that his enthusiasm seems to over-shadow his daughter's.

Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by throwaway90999 on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:36PM (#8845664)
The field of history is fascinating and valuable but I completely understand this attitude towards history classes in the public high school system.

If you're really interested in history take a college level course. Grade and high school history subjects often contain absurdly simplified material -- sometimes to the point of incorrectness. One can miss high school history entirely and end up better informed.

Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by alistairSH on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:50PM (#8845777)
> If you're really interested in history take a college level course.

This generally doesn't require dropping out of school. Most public high schools offer AP/IB courses, which are the equivalent of 1st year college courses. And, at least in my county, once a student surpasses that level, they are free to pursue subjects at the local community college, while finishing up the rest of high school with their classmates.

Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by throwaway90999 on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @09:55AM (#8850754)
It doesn't require it, but it does help frame the issue as to whether high school is a "waste of time."

For example, much as you describe, I scaled back my high school senior year to less than a half day in order to make time for community college courses. If I did not partially pull myself out of high school I would not have had enough time to pursue my education.

Looking back decades later I am pleased with my choice.

Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by whiddershins on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @01:00PM (#8845870)
The History taught in High School is knowingly inaccurate. I have a friend who is a historian and he refuses to teach High School because in his words "college curriculum requires that you teach inaccuracies, but High School curriculum requires that you literally lie to the students."
Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by peterwwillis on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:37PM (#8845670)
I was about to paste this quote because it sounds exactly like me at 16, when I convinced my parents to let me drop out and pursue a tech career. Over a decade later and i'm finally catching up with all the things I never learned and the social skills I never developed from living online for years. (Incidentally, i'm also seriously considering a career change, because who wants to be stuck inside at a desk all day for the rest of their life?)
Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by KatyaEames on Wednesday January 07, 2015 @11:54PM (#8855058)
One does not have to be in school to learn history. History was my favourite subject, other than my web classes, but just because I'm not in school doesn't mean I can't, you know, read historical literature for fun. Heaven forbid a teenage learns for the heck of it on weekends.
Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by WalterSear on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:37PM (#8845675)
IMHO, fuck high school history class, yes. I learnt nothing of value there, except how nationalistic middle americans are.
Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:32PM (#8845632)
As best as I remember high school, my junior and senior history classes were a repeat of the freshman and sophomore history classes. Basic American history and world history.
Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by ashark on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @01:01PM (#8845886)
History was easily the worst-taught subject in the schools I attended (better than average midwestern U.S. schools).

For some reason, 90% of the time was taken up repeatedly poorly covering a small set of topics: the "fertile crescent" through Greece up to just before Alexander which I suppose satisfied some sort of ancient history requirement, jump ahead to spend a ton of time on the Age of Exploration, a brief stop at colonization and the War of Independence, a bunch more time on the Westward expansion/Native Americans (most time of any single topic or time period, easily) and then memorize a few terms related to the Civil War (Anaconda Plan, four or five important generals, half a dozen battles, etc.).

"Conestoga Wagons" and "Longhouses" must have been answers to test questions in at least five of twelve grades. "Ferdinand Magellan" in at least three.

The overall course of study left one with such an incomplete and disjointed understanding of history as to be nearly useless. I learned more history from 200-300 hours of various not-primarily-educational video games in the same time span than I did from school. We didn't cover American history well, let alone Western history, and certainly not world history. A single semester of Freshman world history in college covered more material and did it better with three hours a week and at a fairly leisurely pace.

[EDIT] I should clarify that my phrasing "fertile crescent through Greece up to just before Alexander" implies a much more complete coverage of early civilization that was actually achieved. Fertile crescent, Tigris and Euphrates, Phoenicians invented the alphabet, name-drop Peloponnesian War and Socrates on a fill-in-the-blanks test, aaaaand moving on to Christopher Columbus.

Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by Vendan on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @02:42PM (#8846470)
For me, it was reading the 1632 book series(Ring of Fire). Learned more Swedish/German/European history from fictional alternative history books then apparently EXISTED in my high school history books
Re:Why I pulled my daughter out of high school to teach her ... by ElComradio on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:39PM (#8845688)
She might be a history buff for all we know, but that does not mean it's best to spend 45 minutes a day, five times a week, plus homework on it.