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Re:How Software in Half of NYC Cabs Generates $5.2M a Year i... by madeofpalk on Monday January 05, 2015 @07:20PM (#8842191)
Yeah I mean I understand all of that, I just think it's crazy. As a consumer. Vox said it well with "consumers should not be responsible for paying the incomes of a restaurant owner's employees".

I find it hilarious how much intelligent and smart people rationalise the US tipping culture. It's always justified as you need to tip because the staff are paid low because they make it up in tips. It's circular reasoning.

Re:How Software in Half of NYC Cabs Generates $5.2M a Year i... by johngalt on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:47AM (#8843101)
Why do you go to a restaurant rather than buying food from a grocery store and eating at home? The service aspect is what you pay for when going out to eat vs just buying food.

Tipping is about connecting the buyers and sellers of services directly. How does sending the money through a manager/owner result in better or more cost effective services?

Re:How Software in Half of NYC Cabs Generates $5.2M a Year i... by rjbwork on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @01:17AM (#8843155)
Honestly, I go to a restaurant so I don't have to cook. If I could get top steakhouse quality (or indian, or italian, etc.) food from a counter where there's no one between me and the cook, I would, but I can't, so I don't, and I'm forced to tip someone I don't even want involved with my food in the first place.
Re:How Software in Half of NYC Cabs Generates $5.2M a Year i... by johngalt on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @11:34AM (#8845194)
There are places where you order from a counter and tipping is not expected. You aren't going to find 'steakhouse quality' because people who want $50 steak from a counter is small.
Re:How Software in Half of NYC Cabs Generates $5.2M a Year i... by madeofpalk on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @12:50AM (#8843106)
What I said elsewhere in the thread:

IMHO, one of the employers responsibility is to pay their staff. I don't think that's really arbitrary, it's commonly accepted across the world.

If you're in the service industry, it's your job to be nice. That's what their employer (hopefully) pays them for.

If I have a good or bad experience, I exercise my discretion by choosing whether to go there again. If the employer notices a trend downwards in customers, it's their responsibility to assess what that is - hopefully their in touch enough with their business to identify if it's because of their employees service and 'apply pressure' if need be.

I guess ultimately it comes down to culture. I (and the large majority of the non-US world) isn't accustom to paying 10%+ extra for bad or rude service and it would be very hard for us to understand why that happens.

Re:How Software in Half of NYC Cabs Generates $5.2M a Year i... by k-mcgrady on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @09:33AM (#8844458)
>> "The service aspect is what you pay for"

Nope. I pay so someone else cooks my food and I have a nice selection. In fact anytime I've eaten at a restaurant in the US I hated the service. They just won't leave you alone because they want to be your friend so you will tip them. I don't need you to check how I'm doing every 10 minutes.

Re:How Software in Half of NYC Cabs Generates $5.2M a Year i... by jmccree on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @08:20AM (#8844185)
Tipping is the original crowd funding.
Re:How Software in Half of NYC Cabs Generates $5.2M a Year i... by waterlesscloud on Monday January 05, 2015 @07:46PM (#8842299)
Consumers pay 100% of the incomes of a restaurant's employees.
Re:How Software in Half of NYC Cabs Generates $5.2M a Year i... by madeofpalk on Monday January 05, 2015 @08:07PM (#8842358)
Well not directly.

Why, as a consumer, am I making a decision on how much the staff will earn that day. That's the employer's responsibility. Why doesn't the restaurant owner set the price of what they sell accordingly to cover all costs (incl. wages)?

In Australia, the price I see on the menu is the price I'm charged and the price I pay. That includes wages!

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Re:How Software in Half of NYC Cabs Generates $5.2M a Year i... by megablast on Monday January 05, 2015 @09:09PM (#8842544)
So every job where you deal with people should resort to this method of payment? Sure, that is a great idea. I look forward to tipping my supermarket clerk, the post office guy, the delivery guy, the bus driver.

Japan has the right idea.

Re:How Software in Half of NYC Cabs Generates $5.2M a Year i... by SilasX on Tuesday January 06, 2015 @01:09AM (#8843137)
We're going that direction, sadly. I'm now being hounded for tips at more fast food and convience stores.

Maria Shriver now has a compaign to guilt people into tipping hotel maids (more?).

Re:How Software in Half of NYC Cabs Generates $5.2M a Year i... by madeofpalk on Monday January 05, 2015 @09:16PM (#8842568)
IMHO, one of the employers responsibility is to pay their staff. I don't think that's really arbitrary, it's commonly accepted across the world.

If you're in the service industry, it's your job to be nice. That's what their employer (hopefully) pays them for.

If I have a good or bad experience, I exercise my discretion by choosing whether to go there again. If the employer notices a trend downwards in customers, it's their responsibility to assess what that is - hopefully their in touch enough with their business to identify if it's because of their employees service and 'apply pressure' if need be.

I guess ultimately it comes down to culture. I (and the large majority of the non-US world) isn't accustom to paying 10%+ extra for bad and rude service and it would be very hard for us to understand why that happens.

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Re:How Software in Half of NYC Cabs Generates $5.2M a Year i... by madeofpalk on Monday January 05, 2015 @09:25PM (#8842599)
I prefer to leave managing, controling and rewarding employees up to the employer, and I'll take care of paying the price I see on the menu and making the decision on whether to come back or not.
Re:How Software in Half of NYC Cabs Generates $5.2M a Year i... by waterlesscloud on Monday January 05, 2015 @10:03PM (#8842707)
Due to the completely ridiculous nature of downvoting on this site these days, I've deleted my posts.

I'm done commenting here as long as this site remains this unfriendly to differing opinions.

And that's after years of participation and over 15,000 karma points. Something has changed, and it's not at all for the better.