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Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by seanp2k2 on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @07:08PM (#8299812)
+1 re: phone nerds. I had an HTC Apache (AKA Verizon XV6700) at the time, and I wouldn't give up on the idea of a physical keyboard. I was running my customized ppc kitchen BuildOS image (Win Mobile 6.1 stripped down iirc) before upgrading to the original Droid because of the much-higher-res screen. I ran Bugless Beast on the Droid and painstakingly updated it usually within 24 hours of a new release. Before the Apache, I had a Nokia 6600 with Symbian S60, and even as a kid I wrote VB5 for my 3Com Palm Pilot Professional.

I'm typing this on an iPhone 5, and I'll be pre-ordering the 6+ as soon as I can. This is my second iPhone; I started with a 4S. Fighting with Android became less and less appealing over time, and I currently only jailbreak iOS to get bluetooth / wifi tethering and because my physical mute switch is broken after a swim in the sink which I've worked around using Activator to toggle silent with a long-press on the status bar.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by mbillie1 on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @10:22PM (#8300544)
> Fighting with Android became less and less appealing over time

This rings true to me. I was long a diehard Android/Linux guy - even an explicitly anti-Apple person. 5 years of professional development later and I'm typing on my 15" MacBook Retina Pro which I have not had to restart in something like 42 days, thinking about which iPhone I'm going to dump my Galaxy SIII for in a few weeks' time.

I still run a GNU Linux on any desktop I have, and I actually don't see that changing anytime soon (my Linux complaints are generally with built-in peripherals on laptops which is hardly Linux's fault but still makes for a bad experience), but Apple has really won me over. I've got an iMac in my bedroom, an iPod I climb/bike/run/ski with. I can't see becoming a watch-wearer with the Apple Watch (I haven't worn a watch ever really) but it's not outside the realm of possibility.

I'm curious to see if Apple can do what Google couldn't, and make wearables a significant presence in the market, thus forcing other companies to react. If we leave other companies to break trail, as it were, I think the acceptance of wearables is still a little further off.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by jcrites on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @11:24PM (#8300705)
> make wearables a significant presence in the market

I think the next phase on wearable computing will include around-the-neck wireless devices. These are an example: http://www.amazon.com/s/?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&fiel...

I've seen a lot of folks recently wearing around-the-neck Bluetooth headphones. I was really skeptical of them and considered them a fad, but then received one as a present. I have subsequently been blown away by the value and convenience, and now believe that around-the-neck will be an important part of the future in wearable computing. I think the innovation was a combination of being small, light, well designed, effective wireless, long enough battery life, and an unobtrusive place to rest on the body.

Advantages:

- The absence of wires between my pocket and my head is a HUGE benefit. I now wear the wireless headphones by default, which are super convenient while doing routine activities like chores around the house, or changing clothes, or while traveling between house and car, etc. Wires get in the way and are inconvenient enough to stop me from using headphones (e.g., while buckling a seat-belt, or moving laundry around). Neck headphones are convenient enough to wear by default, and don't get in the way.

- The device overall is so convenient that I barely notice I'm wearing them. I frequently fall asleep while wearing them after listening to a book or podcast. They are small and light enough to evaporate from your senses.

- They're small enough to fit inside most shirts if needed

- Being continuously present around my neck removes the pain of unbundling wires from one's pocket. Those wires are always tangled. The neck device's wires are short and can't get tangled. The device magnetically contains its earbugs when not in use, so no dangling wires.

- Battery life is good enough that I can use them the whole next day even after leaving them on overnight (assuming audio isn't playing all night)

- While tethered to a primary device (smartphone or tablet), I can roam almost anywhere within my house within audio reception

I'm listening to audio substantially more now as a result of the device. While I think glasses would be far too intrusive, I've started wearing wireless headphones all day long by default now. I see many people doing it too. I could see these devices either replacing glasses or complementing them (move the processing units out of the glasses frame, and down around the neck, perhaps with an easily detached wire - a wire to the neck is probably doable).

What's not easy is finding new audio content dynamically while wearing them. I'm a big audiobook and podcast fan, so I listen to Audible and NPR and the like. But I have to prepare all my content ahead of time on another computing device to which the headphones are tethered. If the headphones were interactive, and commands were available by voice, to find and listen to books, podcasts, or the news, then I think they could form quite the electronic companion.

A full phone could probably be designed with that form factor (but no screen). Or imagine if I could control appliances within my house. TV, turn on. Search for "<the latest movie>". The headphones relay the command to my device, which instructs the house. There's a lot of potential there.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by sfjailbird on Thursday September 11, 2014 @06:51AM (#8301830)
Around-the-neck could be great as part of Google Glass-like headwear devices, hosting a heavy-duty battery, processing unit, everything but the display really. As you said, a necklace is unobtrusive, as long as it is kept sufficiently flat. I see it going under the clothes as a strictly auxilliary part of the headwear.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by sanotehu on Thursday September 11, 2014 @12:49PM (#8303637)
Out of interest, which headphones did you go with? I've been looking at wireless headphones but I've always been put off by not knowing their battery life. Aside from the manufacturer's ratings, which have a variable degree of accuracy :p
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by 72deluxe on Thursday September 11, 2014 @04:45AM (#8301517)
Has the switch to Apple devices happened because you have had increased purchasing power as a developer? Before these 5 years, you likely had disdain for Apple devices as being "overpriced" compared to PC equivalents, and thought "I could use Linux for that!" and would spend plenty of time hacking around to get things working.

Are you now an "Apple guy" because you have money to spend and no longer consider Apple devices overpriced for their value, and you now value your time more?

Just curious (this is what happened to me you see; I want to spend time getting things done, not faffing around).

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by ameen on Thursday September 11, 2014 @06:20AM (#8301740)
Not the parent, but as someone with a similar history (Symbian / WinMo Hacker), I used to ridicule Apple at every chance I got. I used to be a hardcore PC Gamer (builder as well, and have built atleast 20 rigs for others).

When I was presented with the original iPhone, I was pissed but overtime as I came to see the merits of it, and by extension Apple hardware. At work I use an iMac, but my personal laptop still is a Lenovo (with Ubuntu 14.04). But I'll be pre-ordering the next MBP as soon as it is announced.

I don't have the patience that I earlier had to debug seemingly simple but drawn out errors/bugs. Apple nails the entire experience (s/w & h/w), and for a developer for whom Time = Money, this is the best possible investment one can make. I also wouldn't have considered Apple hardware had I not been working (and earning) substantially.

But I'm still not an Apple guy and for one-off setup stuff I stick with non Apple hardware (routers, etc). But I wouldn't call them overpriced, they work out of the box with as minimal config required as possible.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by Kurtz79 on Thursday September 11, 2014 @06:16AM (#8301728)
That has been definitely my case as well.

I never "disdained" Apple devices, but they were not in my acceptable price range until I started having a regular salary.

But I don´t really think they are so much better than Windows or Linux systems in terms of "getting things done".

I just value their design and the tight hardware-software integration, and I find the premium price to be acceptable, now.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by mbillie1 on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:33AM (#8302781)
> Are you now an "Apple guy" because you have money to spend and no longer consider Apple devices overpriced for their value, and you now value your time more?

This is definitely a big part of it, yes. I could make it work with Android/Linux, but I can afford Apple products now. Also, as a 100% remote developer, I need my laptop/phone/ to be totally reliable, or it reflects on me professionally. For this reason also I am far less tolerant of say, random battery life issues with my phone. Additionally, some proprietary software (quite annoyingly) only runs in Windows/OSX. Again, I could boot a VM, but I'd rather not, and I suppose these days I can (literally) afford not to.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by xorcist on Thursday September 11, 2014 @08:02AM (#8302053)
>> Fighting with Android became less and less appealing over time

> This rings true to me. I was long a diehard Android/Linux guy - even an explicitly anti-Apple person.

I keep hearing this but there's always some other reason lurking behind it.

I have never been an anti-Apple person. I use Linux on my desktop because I need something that just works. It must never fail on me and all tools I need must be readily available. Mac probably comes the closest, but speak with any Windows person and it's "yeah just install this usb driver to get the adb going and then install this binary stuff from a website and then..". No thanks, I have work to do.

I suppose the same can be true for the iPhone as well. Instead of rooting and installing homebrew and stuff to tether, just get something that works and click the button.

I don't "fight" my tools, Linux, Mac or otherwise. I get something that works instead. For the past decade, that has equated to Linux on a Thinkpad for me.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by theintern on Thursday September 11, 2014 @08:39AM (#8302198)
I absolutely agree. With Linux on a Thinkpad I never have to worry about my tools. They just work, upgrade without issue and don't get in my way. Suspend works, and the hardware is solid and upgradeable. I really can't fault the setup. They're not as shiny as Macs, but give me a Thinkpad any day.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by xorcist on Thursday September 11, 2014 @08:54AM (#8302257)
I just realized I've used the same Linux installation for the better part of ten years. It has survived many in-place upgrades and two hardware changes (where I just move everything over, no need for a reinstall).

Since Linux users for the most part doesn't need to mess with drivers, it just keeps working. (And thank you everyone out there who keeps making this possible.)

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by mbillie1 on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:30AM (#8302754)
> I use Linux on my desktop because I need something that just works.

Agreed - I still use Linux on my desktop for this reason as well. I can have years' worth of uptime, if need be. I haven't used a Thinkpad, which the comment below suggests is a better laptop/Linux experience, and I have had some annoying issues with Wifi drivers, etc while using non-Ubuntu versions of Linux. There's also inevitably some corporate software of some variety that you run into that needs IE/Safari, so it's nice to have them around. The software for my GPS has no Linux installer, and while that isn't a deal-breaking fact, I use that software to plan climbing and skiing trips, so it's nice to have. It's one more voice saying "pay for the convenience" I suppose.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by NicoJuicy on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @07:31PM (#8299909)
Why didn't you just buy a Nexus? (i used to battle Android updates to, but it's not Google's fault... The Nexus proves that) (1st smartphone was a iPhone 3GS, the rest were all Androids)
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by 27182818284 on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @09:09PM (#8300315)
>Why didn't you just buy a Nexus?

I'm trying really hard not to start a flamewar, but as someone who has exclusively used (and still uses) Android since the first Moto Droid, Google cannot be trusted, even with the Nexus brand. Take the Galaxy Nexus as evidence, where a similarly aged iPhone was still receiving the latest iOS updates. Or take NFC: Android users have been quick to mock Apple for using NFC, but every time I asked a clerk at the one store nearby that supported paying via a phone and NFC the clerk had never seen it used. Google doesn't tend to "finish the job" for lack of better words.

With respect to the grandparent and the "Fighting", I have to agree with the grandparent. There is NOTHING NEW in the iPhone 6 and yet I'm thinking about getting it and making it my first iOS device because I'm sick of fighting everything from updates to not having the latest apps (which are iOS first usually https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4332000#up_4332278). The same thing happened with me and Linux as a desktop OS after years of use: http://xkcd.com/619/

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by NicoJuicy on Thursday September 11, 2014 @04:20AM (#8301446)
To be honest, my Nexus 5 is the first device that is good (to me) right out of the box.

I've installed Cyanogenmod on every Android device before and Cydia on my first iOS device (my first smartphone was an iPhone 3GS).

The clerk you are talking about, will still not know what NFC is for payments in a year from now. It doesn't change anything that Apple now joined the same game with Apple Pay... It's more infrastructure related and demand related.

Just like the Apple Watch, there is no actual demand for NFC Payments from regular users.

There was demand for the iPod, iPhone and iPad. Also Maps applications are used a lot (Navigation).

We don't use watches anymore (check your smartphone), we still pay with our wallet and with cash.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by Kurtz79 on Thursday September 11, 2014 @06:27AM (#8301765)
"We don't use watches anymore (check your smartphone), we still pay with our wallet and with cash."

When I was living in the UK about 70% of my purchases were done with a chip and pin card, even a couple of beers at a pub.

This because in the end it was quicker and easier than using cash.

If NFC makes paying quicker and easier than using cash or cards, the demand will be there: by the end of the month there will be millions of iPhone6 customers waiting to test these new features.

If I were a shop/chain owner, I would be scrambling to try to please them, before the competition does.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by Mister_Snuggles on Thursday September 11, 2014 @08:58AM (#8302277)
Here in Canada, we have "contactless" payments on the major credit and debit cards. When it's time to pay, you just tap your card on the reader and it's done().

NFC payments using a phone would add a few more steps, so I think that the wallet and card is going to win out for me. It would be very hard to get it much simpler than it is right now.

() There are limits. My MasterCard, for example, will let me make contactless payments up to a total of $50. At that point it will require me to make a Chip&Pin transaction in order to reset the $50. When this happens the reader will just say "Insert Chip" or something.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by Colliwinks on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:34AM (#8302784)
Contactless is supported in the UK as well (usually up to a £20 minimum), but isn't nearly as widely supported as chip +pin, and I certainly don't know anyone who uses it regularly.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by zimpenfish on Friday September 12, 2014 @07:31AM (#8307501)
Once more supermarkets roll it out (I'm looking at you, Sainsburys), it'll start to get proper traction and kick on to being regular thing.

Also, it's often difficult to see whether a retailer has contactless even when you're standing Right There and then you do the normal chip+pin out of shame because you feel like a right fool with your card out.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by NicoJuicy on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:40AM (#8302828)
I'm going out with some friends, everyone brings in 10 € into the shared "wallet".. (1 guy has an old Nokia, the rest is shared between Android, iPhone and Windows Phone). One guy has no wallet and only has Apple pay .

Next time he goes out with them, he will have his wallet. To give back the money he borrowed from his friends.

When the above situation can be handled.. There is an option for a walletless life. Where i live (Belgium), this won't happen within the next 2 years

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by 27182818284 on Thursday September 11, 2014 @12:25PM (#8303509)
>he will have his wallet.

The vast majority of men in the US will have their wallets with them regardless. The iPhone 6 will not, and is not designed to replace driver's license, etc.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by NicoJuicy on Friday September 12, 2014 @03:00AM (#8306875)
I think that should be the whole point, seeming that without use of the wallet, there is no use for cash anymore.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by NicoJuicy on Thursday September 11, 2014 @04:28AM (#8301475)
For the ones that think a wallet isn't required anymore because of Apple Pay. How are you going to transfer money to your friend (with any other device or without a smartphone), with a transfer rate of 0% without cash?

If that problem is solved, there can be a future for a walletless life.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by fphhotchips on Thursday September 11, 2014 @07:14AM (#8301878)
It costs you guys money to make bank transfers? Wow. For the record, I can send and receive money (for free) from my phone only needing the other person's phone number at this point. (Australian. Also, I've never used the pay-to-phone stuff because I just prefer to use their account number. I can do that for free from my phone too.)

It strikes me that our NFC infrastructure is way better than yours too. Somewhat a reverse of most patterns in tech-infrastructure. It's just a pity Google won't support the Nexus' NFC capabilities in Australia - I bet Apple will.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by cdash on Thursday September 11, 2014 @01:33PM (#8303876)
The banking system in the US is terrible and stuck in the stone age.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by rajivm on Thursday September 11, 2014 @05:14AM (#8301594)
Venmo.

In fact, in young circles (in the US), this seems to have become the defacto way of transferring money socially between individuals. I don't think I have paid someone I know with physical cash in years.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by tomkarlo on Thursday September 11, 2014 @01:31PM (#8303862)
Any number of services support ths - I believe Wallet, Venmo, Paypal and Square all offer some form of fee-less peer-to-peer transfer, because it has such a high value for organic growth as people send money to friends.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by jodrellblank on Thursday September 11, 2014 @11:44PM (#8306504)
And/or because it's a nice chunk of data to add to the social graph.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by mordocai on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:51AM (#8302899)
Squarecash, free and works over email so anything that can do email can do it.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by wjoe on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:13AM (#8302662)
Supposedly the lack of updates for the Galaxy Nexus was down to the TI CPU they used. TI stopped working on mobile SoCs shortly after the Galaxy Nexus was released, so they no longer supported it and wouldn't provide any updated firmware needed for newer Android versions. The Verizon version was worse still for updates, but that's little surprise.

Either way, you're comparing 2 year old phones. I also got tired of fighting with Android and installing custom builds, but it's not really necessary these days. Stock builds are much more polished, and many of the more advanced features from OEM and custom builds have been integrated into stock Android. I recently got a HTC One and have found little need to root or install any custom ROMs on it - it does everything I need and doesn't seem worth the hassle any more.

I do agree with what you say about Google not "finishing the job". Many apps and services have been released with a lot of promise, but then been left relatively unchanged from early versions. If Apple Pay succeeds where Google Wallet has failed to gain traction, it will almost certainly be down to Apple making more of an effort to get merchants and services to support it. Perhaps they simly have more influence, but Google isn't exactly a small company, yet they often seem to fail in these areas. In particular, they make little effort to support things (Google Wallet NFC payments is one example) outside of the US. They're an international company, they have offices in many other countries, and yet many of their services remain US only, or take at least a year to be offered elsewhere.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by throwgnex on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @11:21PM (#8300697)
It's relatively easy to update a gnex on your own, though[1]. I've spend maybe two hours keeping it up to date over the last ~3 years. Yeah, it would be awesome if that wasn't necessary, but in balance the benefits I get outweigh that inconvenience.

Having control over your own phone is a genuinely useful thing, not some abstract ideal. I've been using a wireless tether with a Verizon unlimited data plan for the last 5 years, something I simply couldn't have done with an iPhone. (And it's amazing how many hassles that removes -- I can get internet in the park, or in any shop no matter how shitty the wifi.)

1. I use this ROM: rootzwiki.com/topic/36706-romaosp62114-shiny-rom-ota-like-stock-android-444-ktu84p/#entry1031982

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by Aloha on Thursday September 11, 2014 @03:52AM (#8301371)
I was an Android early adopter T-Mobile G1/G2, then a Windows Phone, then iPhone. It's true though, it is easy to update your own ROM, I have an HP Touchpad I run android on.

I have all the control over my phone I desire to have, it does everything I could never need it to, I don't have to worry about my own ROM, or if updates to the system come, I press the update button when the phone tells me to do so, in short, I have the phone-appliance, a construct I am supremely happy with.

Apple products only have three errors (in order of likelihood):

1) You did it wrong. 2) It doesn't do that. 3) and rarely, It's an honest to god bug.

95% of the problems I've ever had with my phone are fixed by turning it off, and turning it on again - this ease of use led me to buy a Mac, another choice I'm quite happy with, it all more or less just works - and with the Mac I have enough freedom to replace the built in apps that don't work with ones that do - Chrome/Thunderbird/Adium instead of Safari, Mail.app and iMessage.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by yincrash on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @10:36PM (#8300585)
The Galaxy Nexus had a chipset that had been orphaned by TI (due to their total withdrawal from the industry), so Google kind of got the short end of the stick with that one.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by lhl on Thursday September 11, 2014 @01:23AM (#8301016)
That's an often bandied about excuse, but actually completely wrong - TI has continued to support existing customers and not only did Google go on to use an OMAP4 in Google Glass, but the Moto360 actually uses an OMAP3.

Google simply stopped supporting the Galaxy Nexus because they didn't feel like it.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by wpietri on Thursday September 11, 2014 @12:18AM (#8300866)
That's short-term balance-sheet thinking. Which isn't a terrible way to make business decisions, but it definitely isn't the kind of thing that builds long-term consumer trust. There's a reason that Apple has tight supplier relationships and even makes a lot of their own chips: having committed to long-term value delivery, they work backward to make sure they can do that efficiently.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by 72deluxe on Thursday September 11, 2014 @04:48AM (#8301524)
The new types of Linux desktops put me off (abandonment of typical desktop window management paradigms, removal of options), and I therefore stick with a Fedora 12 (!) VM running GNOME2 to write any Linux code on.

I too have the same problem with NFC, apart from here in the UK no Android payment systems are ready on the phone itself (you can only install it on some devices).

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by easytiger on Thursday September 11, 2014 @05:07AM (#8301573)
Modern linux desktops are in a worse state than they were in ~2006.

And yes google are terrible at sending clear messages.

Just look at yesterdays confusing discussion RE hangouts/gchat/gtalk/google voice.

No idea what is going on there.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by 72deluxe on Friday September 12, 2014 @05:02AM (#8307182)
Which message was that? I am still using GTalk on my phone (Android 4.1, no updates in site, such a relic of a phone to be two years old right? Xperia S - 32GB of storage and a decent camera, so why no updates? It's STUPID)

I notice that people attempting to communicate via Hangouts (on their phone?) doesn't notify me in Talk. If I attempt to call someone who has Talk on their phone from my web browser (therefore using Hangouts), they never get any notification. I can therefore never get in touch with my brother, unless I call him using Talk from my phone. If someone attempts to talk to me via Hangouts, the message is shown in my inbox in the web interface, but NOT on my phone in GMail, nor in Talk on my phone. I therefore never find out about a message until I use the web interface, which I don't really do because I have GMail on my phone......

It's a bit broken.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by wjoe on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:02AM (#8302595)
I also dislike the newer Linux desktop environments like Unity and Gnome 3, but XFCE, Cinnamon, and Mate are all an improvement over Gnome 2.

Agreed about NFC, it's frustrating that I've had NFC on my phone for 2 years now, but still not been able to use it for payments. EE does have an NFC payment service now, but for some reason they only let you use it on a few specific phones, not including my HTC. I'm not sure if this is down to differences in the hardware or just favouritism. I'm hoping that Apple Pay will at least push more places and services to support NFC payments in general.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by ansgri on Thursday September 11, 2014 @06:03AM (#8301703)
Just use Linux Mint w/Cinnamon. It feels like Windows 7 done right, and works almost great on Asus ultrabooks (they've broken something about battery life in Qiana).
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by throw7 on Thursday September 11, 2014 @02:23PM (#8304203)
Linux Mate is gnome2. I, like you, stuck with an older fedora for a long time, and I'm typing this here now on a F20-Mate install.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by 72deluxe on Friday September 12, 2014 @05:06AM (#8307191)
Is F20 alright? Are things mostly working on it? I only ask because I have memories of my upgrades from FC1 to FC2 to FC4, to FC7 to FC10 to FC12 and things ALWAYS broke between them.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by derekp7 on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @10:43PM (#8300606)
Here's an example: recently I wanted to get a route around a traffic jam. So, I tried to tell Google Now (on my Nexus 4) to "navigate to work". All of a sudden they took this feature away -- the only thing that comes up is a Google search trying to answer why this doesn't work. And nothing conclusive -- some people are having issues, others not. Android / Nexus was pretty good, but they keep on fixing it further till it's getting more and more broken.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by 72deluxe on Thursday September 11, 2014 @04:52AM (#8301537)
Yes! They "fix" things that don't need fixing. Like their old Android Maps application - how does typing "OK Maps" logically mean you want to save offline maps? Why remove a menu item?

I keep the old one on my phone and resist installing the new one. Also, Google Local has gone?

That's the problem with cloud services I suppose, but at least if they had the decency to keep cloud services going whilst there were obvious users of them (without breaking things), that'd be appreciated. I mean, how long has MobileMe been going for OSX?

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by freehunter on Thursday September 11, 2014 @09:49AM (#8302510)
Really irritates me that I've put my home address (or an address very close to my home) in Google Maps, explicitly marked as home, but I can't type "home" as a destination. I have to start typing the address, then Google says "oh, you mean your home? Yeah I can do that".
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by fphhotchips on Thursday September 11, 2014 @07:17AM (#8301882)
And in maps you can't just type "Location to Location" anymore, either.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by rayiner on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @10:57PM (#8300647)
My Nexus 5 is OK for $350, but after two years of trying the competition I'm going back to iOS next month. I like Apple's approach of getting the UX right and worrying about the other stuff (extensibility, standards compliance, filesystem, etc) after. Whatever incredibly nonstandard thing Safari does with text reflow is better than what Chrome (in 4.4) does, even if its more compliant. Having documents being able to open up in different apps is a huge pain in the ass. I download a PDF and for some reason it always asks whether I want to open it in Adobe or HP ePrint. But other times I'm stuck always opening documents in some app I don't want. Should I open this in YouTube or Chrome? Maps or Chrome? Just do the right thing and don't ask me! I still don't understand how the filesystem works. Older apps seem to have a different download folder or something than newer apps?

I'm not dumb. I used to write highly multithreaded network code for a living. I took Diff Eq in college! But Android makes me feel dumb, so I'm selling the N5.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by 72deluxe on Thursday September 11, 2014 @04:50AM (#8301527)
I like being asked what to open it in. It means you can stop certain application pinching file associations, as typically happens in Windows (and iTunes is notorious for doing it on OSX).

But I can understand why it would be annoying.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by freehunter on Thursday September 11, 2014 @09:52AM (#8302527)
When I used a Nexus 4 (stock), I could never figure out the opening in different apps. It would ask me if I wanted to open a reddit link in Chrome or Firefox or the reddit app. I would select Chrome and hit the "always do this" button, and the very next time it would ask again. The next time, it wouldn't ask. Then it would ask five times in a row.

It's almost as bad as "do you want to view this site in the tapatalk app?".

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by ZeroGravitas on Thursday September 11, 2014 @10:15AM (#8302671)
I think it's due to an app that can potentially use those links being installed and/or updated. It cancels the previous "always do this" otherwise you wouldn't be able to switch.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by Aloha on Thursday September 11, 2014 @04:01AM (#8301391)
Yes, this.

You just gave a far better explanation than I did in favor of the appliance-phone device.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by voltagex_ on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @08:25PM (#8300119)
I think only the Nexus 5 started to catch up with the 4/5S in terms of speed and build quality. And it's only with CM11 on the N5 that it begins to reach the "smoothness" of Apple's UI (and yes, I know there are some tricks used).
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by psbp on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @10:02PM (#8300476)
I love the way my Nexus 5 runs. I use it just as much as my iPhone 5 and although it doesn't have the same UX niceties, it's still plenty smooth and fast.

What really frustrates me is the camera. Some photos are great, others look like the image has been made deliberately bad. I don't think the Nexus phones will deliver a great camera experience any time soon, and there's only so much compensation that G+ can make to a dull, blurry photo.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by gniv on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @11:46PM (#8300775)
Do you have HDR+ on? It makes all the difference.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by guelo on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @07:45PM (#8299966)
Who gives a shit. They're both converging on the same form-factors and features. It's good we have at least two successful smartphone platforms. If there were only one there would be less innovation and more price gouging.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by fastball on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @08:30PM (#8300139)
> converging on the same features

> if there was only one there would be less innovation

Does not compute.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by guelo on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @09:40PM (#8300419)
Competition spurs innovation. Samsung copies from Apple whatever is successful there, Apple copies from Samsung/Google whatever is successful there. Would Apple have created a phablet if Samsung hadn't innovated and proved the market? Probably not. Samsung doesn't have the fingerprint reader, but it's probably coming. And then they'll have to think of something new to differentiate themselves.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by arm on Thursday September 11, 2014 @01:16AM (#8301005)
“Samsung copies from Apple whatever is successful there, Apple copies from Samsung/Google whatever is successful there.”

That doesn’t really sound like innovation.

EDIT: Never mind, I didn’t pick up on the actual gist of your comment, that being the copying done by each company forces the other to come up with new, possibly innovative ideas to one up the competition.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by zimpenfish on Friday September 12, 2014 @07:36AM (#8307507)
Samsung didn't innovate the phablet, many people had released 5" devices before them. They have, however, sold many more than anyone previously ("proved the market").
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by kayge on Friday September 12, 2014 @10:51PM (#8311502)
>> Samsung doesn't have the fingerprint reader FWIW, I think the latest Samsung devices (or at least the S5) have fingerprint readers.
Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by spitfire on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @09:29PM (#8300393)
Wait when did VB5 run on a palm pilot?

I used to write apps for palm pilot and it was a hell of resource constrained C.

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by bas on Wednesday September 10, 2014 @09:43PM (#8300434)
Perhaps a decade ago, I was roped into maintaining Palm apps written in VB and deployed with AppForge (http://www.techrepublic.com/article/appforge-palm-developmen...).

In a sense, tools like these were the precursors of today's mobile cross-compilers and cross-platform development environments (e.g. Unity).

Re:A Watch Guy's Thoughts on the Apple Watch After Seeing It... by spitfire on Thursday September 11, 2014 @04:59PM (#8305121)
Okay. Wow. That actually is pretty cool for the time. It came after I had stopped playing around with palm dev (1999).