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Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by jdpage on Saturday November 30, 2013 @08:01PM (#6825527)
I would guess that the wrinkle is that one's mouth would still be chock-full of bacteria, lending the breath a fœtid odour.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by bmelton on Saturday November 30, 2013 @09:08PM (#6825711)
Interesting assertion. You're undoubtedly right, of course, but it just reminds me of the ideals promoted by the deodorant companies.

Once upon a time, everybody smelled like everybody smells, which is to say, probably not quite as pleasant as people smell now -- arguably. Then somebody came along and invented deodorant, began marketing it to women to give them a competitive dating advantage -- "Smell better than the next woman and get more men" -- which they (historically obviously) fell for, and now deodorant is considered necessary... but for what purpose?

People are very adaptive to smell, and beyond the same statistical outliers we have now, generally speaking, people would have smelled about the same. Now though, the bar has been arbitrarily raised, and the result is that everybody not wearing deodorant is a grotesquely smelling freak, where the only outcome is that, once again, we all smell the same, but slightly different -- and of course, we're now all spending an extra $10 a month on a product that nobody really needs, but that was marketed well enough initially that it's become a staple.

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by sliverstorm on Sunday December 01, 2013 @01:30AM (#6826380)
Our natural smell developed in a time when humans were naked and lived outdoors.

Let's just put it this way; I find it noteworthy that deodorant was developed around the same time that humans started to be packed tightly into office buildings while wrapped up in wool suits.

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by sandGorgon on Sunday December 01, 2013 @12:52AM (#6826311)
actually, there is a related phenomenon called "Beyond Shampoo" or "nopoo" (the website seems to be down). There is a huge movement around giving up soap and shampoo permanently to avoid and cure stuff like dandruff, acne, etc.

I personally had HUGE successes with it in improving my overall hygiene - but be warned that it takes upto six months for your body to "reboot". during that time, your hygiene grows worse - before getting extremely better. I suspect it is the same case with the brushing thing : it will take quite some time before the flora and fauna of your mouth reboots.

[1] http://freetheanimal.com/2010/12/a-most-successful-self-expe... [2] http://paleohacks.com/questions/17060/no-poo-and-dandruff.ht...

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by Goronmon on Sunday December 01, 2013 @02:45AM (#6826532)
I personally had HUGE successes with it in improving my overall hygiene - but be warned that it takes up to six months for your body to "reboot".

Is there any evidence that this statement has any basis in reality or is it like when people do a 'cleanse' to get rid of the 'toxins' in the body?

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by stevewillows on Sunday December 01, 2013 @02:51AM (#6826544)
I've been without deodorant for years now. Anytime I think I should try it, my body seems to reject it. I wash my body and my hair with the same bar of soap. I've been doing this for about 8 years now. I think I'll stick to toothpaste though.

Overall, the use of essential oils for cleaning is ideal. My ex-wife had horrible acne, and tried the harsh 'cures' like Proactiv. The fix was a simple blend of lavender and tea tree essential oils mixed with distilled water in a spray. Using that once or twice a day cleared her up within a week.

Disclosure: I own a small soap company and only use my own bars! :) [1]

[1] http://oldkinderhook.co

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by anoncow on Sunday December 01, 2013 @02:03AM (#6826455)
I tried the no shampoo thing for a month. The result was extremely scaly, itchy scalp. So I used Ketoconazole + shampoo once. (Ketoconazole can cause dryness, flakes and hairfall; so I used very little of it). Had some dryness and some hairfall following the wash. The next two weeks were without shampoo. Now I intermittently use a "mild" shampoo like Johnsons baby shampoo every week or so and my seborrheic dermatitis is much better. So the nopoo thing is not so bad.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by thaumasiotes on Sunday December 01, 2013 @02:32AM (#6826502)
My sister and I both suffered from dandruff while living near Santa Cruz, California. And we both found that it magically went away when we moved.

When I grow out facial hair, there's a particular spot on my upper lip that starts to flake, which I also think of as "dandruff". Kept shaven, it's asymptomatic.

Basically, there seem to be many mysterious causes and effects involved.

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by gojomo on Sunday December 01, 2013 @04:28AM (#6826704)
I'm curious: was your residence in Santa Cruz a misty/mold-conducive environment? What's the climate and household like where you moved to?
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by thaumasiotes on Sunday December 01, 2013 @05:33AM (#6826796)
Foggy, yes.

We moved to various places -- Philadelphia, Shanghai, Costa Rica, Brazil. I can only really speak for Shanghai, which is incredibly hot with about 100% humidity in the summer (I have seen water pool on the floor of my building, just because there was so much in the air) and 1-4 degrees centigrade in the winter. I've never thought of it as misty.

Don't move to Shanghai for the weather.

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by hrjet on Saturday November 30, 2013 @10:27PM (#6825939)
Not a fan of deodorants but, biologically, they may not be completely useless:

1. Being able to afford a deodorant indicates wealth, and thus better chances of survival of the offspring.

2. Using a deodorant might also indicate an awareness of personal hygiene in the individual (atleast purportedly). This might again increase the survival chances of the offspring.

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by thaumasiotes on Sunday December 01, 2013 @12:07AM (#6826212)
Neither of those points suggests that deodorants, in themselves, are anything but useless. Instead, they suggest that paying attention to deodorant use makes sense even though deodorants are completely useless.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by mistermann on Sunday December 01, 2013 @04:12AM (#6826682)
By useless, do you mean they have no effect whatsoever?
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by thaumasiotes on Sunday December 01, 2013 @04:23AM (#6826696)
I'm following the context set by my ancestor comments, which is that deodorant is to americans as, according to Socrates, horsehair crests were to classical soldiers.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by gojomo on Sunday December 01, 2013 @04:29AM (#6826708)
Aha, the "signalling theory of deodorant". Some think a college degree 'works' in the same way.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by babby on Sunday December 01, 2013 @12:42AM (#6826295)
I also find deodorant to be useless.

I can anecdotally attest to my own strategy. I buy rubbing alcohol. Have a shower, clean the problem areas. Shortly after I get out I apply the alcohol to my arm pits, and if I think I'm going to really be sweating I spray some over my upper back, chest etc. Nothing close to the amount one would use if they were spraying deodorant. The result is that I can go several days without any bad odor, even when I sweat so much that my shirts are saturated, they don't even smell, to me or anyone else.

The side effect of doing this is that I am far more sensitive to perfumes and deodorants people use, and they just aren't at all pleasant in the quantities people feel they need to use to smell "nice".

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by reubenmorais on Saturday November 30, 2013 @10:44PM (#6825974)
While reading this I realized most of the times when I've been complimented for my smell, I was far from being perfumed – getting home after a busy day, arriving somewhere after having to run to catch a bus, things like that.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by kstenerud on Sunday December 01, 2013 @09:48AM (#6827420)
The problem is that there is a huge range of smell (or stench) depending on what bacteria tends to cluster in your underarms. I was one of those unlucky ones who had terrible BO until a friend introduced me to potassium alum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_alum , commonly sold as "crystal deodorant".

It's now been almost 3 years since I stopped using soap or shampoo, and I no longer have any skin problems or odor problems, although I'll smell up pretty quick if I forget the crystal deodorant. The only weird part was the two month transitionary phase where my body was still producing excess oils to compensate for daily washing with soap, giving a constant, icky "you've been wearing those jeans for a whole week" feel.

Another protip: If you find your feet stink after a full day at work, try switching to wool socks.

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by x0x0 on Sunday December 01, 2013 @12:50AM (#6826306)
I googled. It appears bad breath is (mainly?) due to the presence of hydrogen sulfide and methyl mercaptan [1]. These are mostly not produced by s.mutans but instead by gram-negative bacteria. otoh, S. salivarius K12 appears (and it being studied) to produce substances which inhibit s. mutans and the gram-negative bacteria [same article].

[1] http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=beat-bad-br...

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by pyduan on Saturday November 30, 2013 @11:17PM (#6826072)
From what I understand these would be complementary: the advantage of a probiotic solution would be that you basically get the treatment from time to time then never have to care about periodontal disease (which affects almost half of the US population [1]) or tooth decay, and then just have to brush your teeth or tongue to freshen your breath (but without long-term consequences if you don't).

[1] http://www.perio.org/consumer/cdc-study.htm

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by sliverstorm on Saturday November 30, 2013 @08:04PM (#6825542)
Why are we randomly switching to latin characters?
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by jdpage on Sunday December 01, 2013 @10:36AM (#6827635)
Sorry. That's actually the original (and still an acceptable) spelling, and I rather prefer it. English doesn't really have enough vowels, so distinguishing between `e' and `œ' makes sense, orthographically. I also tend to use diæreses where appropriate.

Of course, normally I would give at least a passing thought to using more modernized spellings in this context, but I have spent most of the week writing up a series of observation sessions and my brain is beginning to revolt, liquefy, and dribble out of my ears.

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by baby on Saturday November 30, 2013 @09:28PM (#6825778)
you need to brush your tongue for that.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by aestra on Saturday November 30, 2013 @10:21PM (#6825922)
I would suggest not using a toothbrush on your tongue, those are designed for teeth. Get a dedicated tongue cleaner. You'll be glad you did; everyone should clean their tongue.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by baby on Sunday December 01, 2013 @05:44AM (#6826808)
I have both actually. And I use both as my tongue scrapper doesn't always work in the way I want to.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by Wingman4l7 on Saturday November 30, 2013 @08:34PM (#6825618)
Obligatory mention of Betteridge's law of headlines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline...
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by jafaku on Saturday November 30, 2013 @10:16PM (#6825915)
It's not really obligatory, and it would be nice if you guys just stopped posting that, especially on science articles since asking questions is what science does.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by aptwebapps on Saturday November 30, 2013 @10:59PM (#6826014)
The article was fine, but the title is still fits the pattern. The answer is 'No'. Or, maybe, 'No, not yet'.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by dfc on Sunday December 01, 2013 @12:02AM (#6826194)
Well said. Anything comment that begins with "Obligatory" is usually worthless almost as bad as "This."
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by Wingman4l7 on Saturday November 30, 2013 @10:25PM (#6825932)
Fair enough. However, it's hoped that this might encourage less linkbait-y titles, especially for overviews of new science research. A headline like "Biofilm-inhibiting bacteria may provide an alternative to brushing your teeth" conveys much more information about the content (and doesn't break that "law", either).
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by saurik on Saturday November 30, 2013 @11:06PM (#6826038)
Most of the time the people writing these articles have never even heard of Hacker News; this is just a more socially acceptable way to flaunt trivia in front of people to feel smarter while at the same time being able to call "first!".
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by Wingman4l7 on Sunday December 01, 2013 @04:34AM (#6826716)
Not having heard of Hacker News is irrelevant to writing better headlines. The "law" is hardly trivia; it's a great way to shed light on lazy writing and introduce people to simple manipulative tricks of journalism.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by saurik on Sunday December 01, 2013 @03:34PM (#6829176)
The headlines are not written by the people on Hacker News: they are written by people on websites other than Hacker News, and then posted verbatim here. If 100% of people on Hacker News read these comments and would never write an article with a question as the title, it would not change the fact that articles with questions as the title would occasionally get posted to Hacker News.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by ok_craig on Saturday November 30, 2013 @09:36PM (#6825807)
It should be noted that the title on the actual blog does not contain a question mark.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by drsingleton on Sunday December 01, 2013 @06:54PM (#6830123)
Wow! A link on HN of a two year article gave my poor classroom blog a 5000 fold spike in page views. Apologies if the snow annoyed people, but it wasn't me but a checkbox on the free Wordpress backend. It doesn't even show on the mobile version. The science comments above are interesting, but my intended take home message was NOT to promote an alternative to the tried and true methods of proper dental care, but instead draw attention to the incredible complexity of the human oral microbiota.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by vezzy-fnord on Saturday November 30, 2013 @08:29PM (#6825604)
Excessive brushing has always been detrimental to the enamel.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by pmiller2 on Saturday November 30, 2013 @10:18PM (#6825920)
This is why the ADA recommends brushing your teeth only twice a day, rather than after every meal.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by elwell on Monday December 02, 2013 @09:55PM (#6838191)
I doubt this will ever be a problem for me...
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by s0rce on Saturday November 30, 2013 @07:39PM (#6825458)
Why is it snowing?
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by Schwolop on Saturday November 30, 2013 @09:34PM (#6825799)
Urgh.

Ctrl+A Ctrl+C Ctrl+L data:text/html, <html contenteditable> <ENTER> Ctrl+V

phew

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by ars on Saturday November 30, 2013 @11:18PM (#6826077)
Thank you. I couldn't read it - the snow kept triggering my orienting reflex and making it harder than necessary to simply read the article.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by neil_s on Saturday November 30, 2013 @11:23PM (#6826091)
That's a cool trick, thanks!
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by nsmartt on Saturday November 30, 2013 @07:54PM (#6825502)
Why not? I find it to be fairly pleasant, albeit unnecessary.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by aestra on Saturday November 30, 2013 @10:14PM (#6825910)
Because it is extremely distracting and I actually couldn't read the article because of it.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by mistermann on Sunday December 01, 2013 @04:19AM (#6826691)
When you say you couldn't read the article, could you expand on that? Were you physically unable to due to nausea or something like that, or moreso that you refuse to read it as a matter of principle because of the unnecessary animations?
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by aestra on Sunday December 01, 2013 @09:48AM (#6827423)
I feel I am unable to block out a lot of activity going around in the background, in real life I also have the same reaction if there is tons of activity going on around me when I am trying to read. I couldn't concentrate on the contents because of the movement in the background. It gave me this weird sense of anxiety over what was going to happen next and was unable to focus and absorb the contents. I ended up just kinda skimming. I was anxious to try to get it over with.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by mistermann on Monday December 02, 2013 @09:52AM (#6833941)
Wow, very interesting, thanks.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by joesb on Sunday December 01, 2013 @07:46AM (#6827063)
It's weird but I found my self unable to focus and comprehend the contents. It's like I'm reading but I can't understand a whole sentence. It would be better if the snow is kept to the background area. Instead, it sometimes flew right past the exact word I was reading.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by MereInterest on Saturday November 30, 2013 @10:58PM (#6826010)
Because the animation is incredibly CPU intensive for the effect that it has.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by vehementi on Sunday December 01, 2013 @01:08AM (#6826347)
Is it causing performance problems for you on the site? The algorithm's efficiency shouldn't be a factor in your decision here.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by MereInterest on Monday December 02, 2013 @05:31PM (#6837068)
Mostly issues of laptop battery life and heating. I have a five-year-old laptop that can usually last about 3 hours when browsing the internet. Usually, that browsing consists of spikes of CPU activity when rendering the page, then low CPU activity when scrolling through. However, with that animation, the CPU activity stayed consistently high. This is enough to make the laptop uncomfortably warm and increase the fan speed, providing noise.

It isn't something that makes the site unusable by any means, but it is something that gives an annoyance without a benefit to me.

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by cedar on Saturday November 30, 2013 @07:42PM (#6825471)
its 1999
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by ivanca on Saturday November 30, 2013 @07:46PM (#6825480)
I don't know man; those snowflakes seem gpu accelerated to me.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by veemjeem on Saturday November 30, 2013 @08:05PM (#6825544)
probably done with css. you can have gpu accelerated marquee & blink too if you miss 1999.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by agumonkey on Sunday December 01, 2013 @12:18AM (#6826238)
I thought I had a sudden floaters spike. Very worried for a second.

Who still does that ?

/me summon printfriendly.com

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by dredmorbius on Saturday November 30, 2013 @11:14PM (#6826065)
Might be worth mentioning Weston Price, an early 20th century dentist "known primarily for his theories on the relationship between nutrition, dental health, and physical health. He founded the research institute of the National Dental Association, which later became the research section of the American Dental Association, and served as its chair from 1914–1928." (Wikipedia)

In particular, he drew a lot of relationships between diet and not only dental but general health. Some of which sounds a bit kooky but a lot of which seems to be getting confirmed, especially regards the role of sugar and processed carbohydrates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_Price

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by yetanotherphd on Saturday November 30, 2013 @11:30PM (#6826105)
That is in no way relevant to this article, it's enough to have people promoting fad diets on articles where it is actually relevant, without this too.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by lukifer on Sunday December 01, 2013 @12:42AM (#6826294)
It isn't exactly controversial that frequent sugar consumption exacerbates oral microbial growth. My mouth health got drastically better after giving up soda, and more so again after giving up grains.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by dredmorbius on Sunday December 01, 2013 @03:11AM (#6826589)
The salient part is Price's assertion that health was strongly dependent on diet. As I said, it's kooky, and frankly, I don't know whether I find his views credible or not, though I've shifted from my initial highly skeptical viewpoint. The work of others in the relationship of sugars to health (particularly Roger Lustig and Gary Taubes) makes me somewhat more receptive of Price's general theory.

My reason for posting was more to show that lines of inquiry similar / related to those of the source article have been pursued for a long time.

So: yes, actually, it is relevant.

Incidentally: if you're familiar with any specific criticisms of Prices work, posting those might be of interest. To myself as well as others.

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by erikb on Sunday December 01, 2013 @06:02AM (#6826844)
Well, let's not be too fast about throwing away a well known solution because one research shows that there might be (better?) alternatives.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by Brakenshire on Saturday November 30, 2013 @07:23PM (#6825399)
Possibly, maybe will no longer best the best thing for your teeth.

Seems very interesting, but very early stage.

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by bigd on Saturday November 30, 2013 @08:30PM (#6825610)
neat snowing background, loved the fall direction controlled by the mouse motion.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by coldcode on Saturday November 30, 2013 @10:50PM (#6825990)
It would be neater if it piled up.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by goggles99 on Saturday November 30, 2013 @08:10PM (#6825556)
Probiotics will form the future of medical and dental preventative care. That and Epigenetics.
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by toomuchtodo on Saturday November 30, 2013 @08:24PM (#6825592)
And most likely nutrition. It appears that your weight is determined by your gut bacteria: https://www.google.com/search?q=gut+bacteria+obesity
Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by tiatia on Sunday December 01, 2013 @12:38AM (#6826281)
"Your weight is determined" No. If at all, they are only a part of the problem and you have the chicken - egg problem. Do you have different bacteria because you are fat or are you fat because you have different bacteria?

Causes are: -genetic -epigenetic -life style -nutrition (cabrs!) -viruses (no kidding, obesity may be infectious) etc.

Re:Brushing your teeth: no longer the best thing for your te... by drsingleton on Sunday December 01, 2013 @07:02PM (#6830160)
I think the jury is still out on that. Metagenomic studies have only become possible in the past decade, and consequently there haven't been any long tern studies in humans. Studies in mice have show that the normal microbiota is rather static throughout the full life of the host. If this extends to humans, then the microbes are the "egg" in the equation.