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Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by nl on Thursday November 21, 2013 @10:16PM (#6779050)
In some cases "underlying" problems (eg misinformation campaigns and cultural leftovers) are really just used as excuses by men who don't like how condoms feel. Fix that, and many will be happy to ignore those thing.

As an aside: don't forget the largest major anti-condom propagandists is not African at all (ie, the Catholic church).

Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by pauljburke on Friday November 22, 2013 @04:17AM (#6779881)
>As an aside: don't forget the largest major anti-condom propagandists is not African at all (ie, the Catholic church).

That would be the curch that also goes on about abstinence before marriage and monogamy afterwards? Never understood why the church gets beaten up for that (not a fan of the stance on condom use but this implies people "religously" follow one of their rules while blatantly ignoring others).

Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by Sharlin on Friday November 22, 2013 @06:19AM (#6780220)
The difference is that you can't really convince people to practice abstinence and monogamy. You can quite easily convince people to not use condoms. Failing to take this into account when you are in a position of authority is unethical at best. Spreading misinformation such as HIV being able to get through condoms is plain old evil.
Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by fakeanon on Friday November 22, 2013 @08:42AM (#6780605)
If you abstain you have no chance of getting pregnant. It depends: http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/3167/do-condoms-... .
Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by comlonq on Friday November 22, 2013 @08:13AM (#6780505)
Sex is part of human nature. It used to happen before Humans invented the notion of marriage. The church is trying to stop something that is intrinsically a part of us, that is a bad strategy and is actively making the world a WORSE place.

A better idea would be to encourage people to use condoms. This does not circumvent human nature and has a much better chance of working.

Don't defend ill thought out policy with bad logic.

Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by twoodfin on Friday November 22, 2013 @09:20AM (#6780802)
Violence and war are also parts of human nature, that doesn't mean religions should give up preaching peace and forgiveness.
Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by comlonq on Saturday November 23, 2013 @03:57PM (#6787398)
Most people don't wake up in the morning with the urge to fight someone, a lot of people do wake up with the urge to have sex. Sex, like voilence, will always happen. We need to find a way to work with what we've got rather than trying to suppress are human needs.
Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by Adirael on Friday November 22, 2013 @06:35AM (#6780259)
> people "religously" follow one of their rules while blatantly ignoring others

That's mostly how it works. People follow the rules they like and ignore the ones they don't.

Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by rplnt on Friday November 22, 2013 @04:53AM (#6779981)
It's not just about (not) following rules. When you have no access to condoms because of the church, it doesn't matter what you think and follow.
Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by lmm on Friday November 22, 2013 @04:40AM (#6779936)
> this implies people "religously" follow one of their rules while blatantly ignoring others

Is that so implausible?

Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by wisty on Thursday November 21, 2013 @11:16PM (#6779249)
Or women, who don't like how condoms feel. AFAIK, women are a lot more discriminating about whether or not sex feels any good.

Of course, the worst countries are probably the ones with lots of unregulated prostitution, so in those cases it's probably the men to blame.

Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by nl on Thursday November 21, 2013 @11:30PM (#6779289)
I agree with your point.

However, the reason that I said "men" is that most of the time women aren't the problem. There are three main scenarios where condoms are helpful to society:

1) As a form of birth control. In this case the woman may not have access to other forms, and she has to rely on the man wearing a condom. If the man doesn't like it she is often left without options (particularly in jurisdictions where - unfortunately - consent laws are different for women who are married). Even if a women doesn't like sex with a condom she usually prefers it to yet-another-baby.

2) As a protection against sexually transmitted disease. A subset of that is sexually promiscuous women who dislike condoms (and in that case you are 100% correct - a condom which feels good to women will help). However, the other case - women who are paid to have sex - is unfortunately more common, and in that case the woman often has few options if the man doesn't want to wear a condom.

3) Gay Sex. Obviously this is really a subset of (2) above, but I'm putting it separately because it's quite a large vector for sexually transmitted diseases, and increased condom use would cut it dramatically.

Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by stplsd on Friday November 22, 2013 @03:31AM (#6779785)
>3) Gay Sex

It is not 1988 anymore, and it's called AIDS not GRID anymore. What else? 4) Bi sex 5) Threesome sex 6) Lesbian with strapon sex?

Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by chriswarbo on Friday November 22, 2013 @04:16AM (#6779877)
> What else? 4) Bi sex

If it's two bisexual men

> 5) Threesome sex

If it's three men.

> 6) Lesbian with strapon sex?

No, because that wouldn't involve any penises.

The parent was arguing that it's more common for men to be making decisions about condom usage than women. Why would lesbians use a condom?

Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by DanBC on Friday November 22, 2013 @05:17AM (#6780062)
> Why would lesbians use a condom?

It makes toy clean-up easier.

Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by nl on Friday November 22, 2013 @05:10AM (#6780041)
Sorry, what is the correct term for sex between two men these days? That's the specific issue I was attempting to highlight (and I was making a distinction between that and other sex because - to generalise - the power difference between two gay men is different to between a man and a woman).

Lesbian with strapon sex? - not sure there is a huge incident of sexually transmitted disease associated with that?

Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by anon4 on Friday November 22, 2013 @05:48AM (#6780140)
what is the correct term for sex between two men these days

Men sex, or just mex. And if you do it with a guy from Texas, it's called texmex.

Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by DanBC on Friday November 22, 2013 @05:15AM (#6780057)
> what is the correct term for sex between two men these days?

MSM - men who have sex with men.

Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by gaius on Friday November 22, 2013 @02:18PM (#6783061)
That is "mainstream media" is ermm mainstream usage. Most gay men I know just call it "anal" without making a big song and dance over it. It is 2013 after all.
Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by DanBC on Saturday November 23, 2013 @06:57AM (#6785760)
Anal includes women.

> It is 2013 after all.

And even today people are executed or imprisoned for life because they are gay.

Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by chii on Thursday November 21, 2013 @11:23PM (#6779272)
its more likely that the men has power over the women, especially in under-developed nations.
Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by rplnt on Friday November 22, 2013 @04:50AM (#6779967)
People don't feel the need to turn to God(s) when they are doing fine. That's why the Catholic Church goes out of its way to make people miserable and afraid. They have been doing that in Europe for centuries, now Africa is the better target.
Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by LaGrange on Friday November 22, 2013 @03:20AM (#6779769)
Actually, you can't really fix the 'feel' problem, because the 'feeling' is mostly imaginary. The problem with condoms is part education, part laziness and part men actually wanting women to have more kids.
Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by stuaxo on Friday November 22, 2013 @03:54AM (#6779828)
I don't know, to have to pull back the foreskin and have it immobile during sex, is a pretty big difference.
Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by LaGrange on Monday November 25, 2013 @06:30AM (#6793514)
You might want to consider a different brand. Never had that problem, not even heard of it, and I'm from a not-circumcised country.
Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by dTal on Friday November 22, 2013 @05:04AM (#6780022)
Where did you read that? Have you ever actually used a condom?
Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by LaGrange on Monday November 25, 2013 @06:28AM (#6793509)
Yes. That's how I know, but nice job of being an example.
Re:Bill Gates funds creation of graphene condoms by XorNot on Thursday November 21, 2013 @11:12PM (#6779228)
Actually I was thinking strongly about who they were, I just didn't want to name names in this forum.

But the sector they operate most flagrantly and disastrously is still Africa.