Re:10gen is now MongoDB, Inc.
by clarkevans on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @10:43AM
(#6283701)
I'd love to know the rationale for this and especially how they will enforce their trademark. In particular, I've heard that open source projects named after their company find their trademark hard to enforce, and trademark enforcement sometimes causes a new name for the "community edition" of their products.
Re:10gen is now MongoDB, Inc.
by nailer on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @11:04AM
(#6283843)
Yep, trademark law is different from other types of IP - unless you can show you've continually defended a trademark, you can lose the rights to it. However it's not always handled the same way:
- Red Hat asked people to rename unofficial RHL distributions something like Pink Tie back in the day, and the tradition continued with CentOS and the like.
- Firefox has a different tack, and just makes sure people sign up to meet certain specs to be able to use the trademark. That might mean not diverting from upstream too much (eg, Debian wanted FF to use Linux FHS standard, FF upstream didn't do that, hence Iceweasel).
Re:10gen is now MongoDB, Inc.
by Argorak on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @07:05PM
(#6286870)
Iceweasel is called like it is called because (roughly):
* The firefox branding itself is non-free, which is unacceptable for debian
* The replaced the branding, but kept the name first
* Mozilla complained and clarified that a program called "Firefox" has to bear the official logo
Re:10gen is now MongoDB, Inc.
by skyebook on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @10:53AM
(#6283770)
This is a little different though, as the company is named after the product now.. I don't know of any for-profit companies that have done this but the Blender Foundation has gotten on just fine.
Re:10gen is now MongoDB, Inc.
by kingkilr on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @10:56AM
(#6283787)
Not a lawyer, but if the software project had an independent owner for its trademark, I believe that they'd have a case against 10gen. The name is deliberately chosen to provoke confusion between the two.
Re:10gen is now MongoDB, Inc.
by pigscantfly on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @05:30PM
(#6286432)
Their previous full name was "10gen: the MongoDB Company"; they've been trying to dispel confusion over the company name vs. product for a long time (probably since they pivoted towards making Mongo the main business product - 10gen started as a PaaS company).
source: worked there
Edit: the title of this submission should really be "10gen: the MongoDB Company shortens their name to MongoDB, Inc." Less attention-grabby, more truthy.
Re:10gen is now MongoDB, Inc.
by antirez on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @10:58AM
(#6283802)
This is a smart move if they intend to really focus on just MongoDB. For a company that wants to ship more than a product in the same area to have an "upper level" brand makes more sense IMHO.
Re:10gen is now MongoDB, Inc.
by functional_test on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @11:57AM
(#6284237)
Oracle? =)
Initially I had the same thought as the parent post, but this is a good point. No one ever really heard about 10gen; it was always MongoDB. Their events were always Mongo titled (MongoDB Days) and even their emails are @mongodb.com. In a way it was already their primary brand, might as well make it official.
Re:10gen is now MongoDB, Inc.
by kirab on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @10:44AM
(#6283707)
I’ll probably buy a support subscription sooner or later. Feels nicer to buy it from MongoDB "itself" than from some unknown 10gen :-) Psychology is a strange beast.
Re:10gen is now MongoDB, Inc.
by kinleyd on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @01:56PM
(#6285031)
Yes, mongo as in Mongoloid (Down's syndrome, not the race) is offensive in mostly English speaking, Caucasian contexts. However, I'd figure MongoDB becoming a well known term would break some of the offensiveness associated with the pejorative use of mongo. At the same time, I don't think anyone keen on MongoDB will be thinking of the pejoratives associated with some part of the name.
I found it odd (not wrong, just unusual) that an open source project would purchase ad promotions like promoted tweets, rather than the company itself. This may be a move to make things like this less awkward.
Re:10gen is now MongoDB, Inc.
by cdibona on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @01:21PM
(#6284787)
There's a notion that companies named after their open source project are more likely to succeed commercially than those that are not. So from that perspective, good for MongoDB. Of course I can come up with a number of counter examples....
Re:10gen is now MongoDB, Inc.
by eksith on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @01:39PM
(#6284923)
I don't think it's confined to just open source projects.
E.G. RIM is now BlackBerry Ltd. There are a many reasons why this is the case, but chief among them is that usually the product outpaces the clout of the company/organization (for better or for worse). When that happens, it does make some sense to adopt the product name.
http://www.mongodb.com/blog/post/whats-name
- Red Hat asked people to rename unofficial RHL distributions something like Pink Tie back in the day, and the tradition continued with CentOS and the like.
- Firefox has a different tack, and just makes sure people sign up to meet certain specs to be able to use the trademark. That might mean not diverting from upstream too much (eg, Debian wanted FF to use Linux FHS standard, FF upstream didn't do that, hence Iceweasel).
Not a lawyer etc.
* The firefox branding itself is non-free, which is unacceptable for debian * The replaced the branding, but kept the name first * Mozilla complained and clarified that a program called "Firefox" has to bear the official logo
Detailed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_re...
So the new name is not so much deliberately chosen to provoke confusion as it is to reduce confusion.
source: worked there
Edit: the title of this submission should really be "10gen: the MongoDB Company shortens their name to MongoDB, Inc." Less attention-grabby, more truthy.
The can just name their new products "MongoDB this" and "MongoBD that".
And 10gen wasn't much of a brand name to begin with. Very few people knew it or remembered what it was, whereas tons have heard of "MongoDB".
Initially I had the same thought as the parent post, but this is a good point. No one ever really heard about 10gen; it was always MongoDB. Their events were always Mongo titled (MongoDB Days) and even their emails are @mongodb.com. In a way it was already their primary brand, might as well make it official.
I found it odd (not wrong, just unusual) that an open source project would purchase ad promotions like promoted tweets, rather than the company itself. This may be a move to make things like this less awkward.
E.G. RIM is now BlackBerry Ltd. There are a many reasons why this is the case, but chief among them is that usually the product outpaces the clout of the company/organization (for better or for worse). When that happens, it does make some sense to adopt the product name.