Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by JohnTHaller on Friday August 09, 2013 @04:55PM
(#6188427)
Which would result in quite a lot of spam sent via GitHub's forwarder, which would then be marked as a spam server in Gmail and other providers, which would result in GitHub's server being blocked.
Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by bpodgursky on Friday August 09, 2013 @04:33PM
(#6188279)
I think many developers complain about recruiters as a way of subtly bragging about how many people want to hire them. Secretly, they'd be kind of disappointed if the emails stopped coming.
Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by dylangs1030 on Friday August 09, 2013 @05:00PM
(#6188462)
This isn't a fair perspective. Recruiters are legitimately annoying. Especially as many recruiters obfuscate the hiring process so you can't just skip them directly to the company they're fielding. There's a long litany of abuses they take part in quite frequently, ranging from knowingly introducing you to companies you're not qualified for just because you're a "programmer" to deliberately making the hiring process for a company difficult without their direct participation.
Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by dylangs1030 on Friday August 09, 2013 @05:12PM
(#6188559)
I can't really argue with you if you've experienced this, but for what it's worth, all the developers I know professionally have legitimate reasons to dislike recruiters, and avoid them wherever possible.
I think it's unfair that people have their motives for disliking something called into question just because they're in a certain strata that has that problem and not everyone else does.
Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by bpodgursky on Friday August 09, 2013 @05:25PM
(#6188639)
I'm not trying to say the recruiters are pleasant or anything. I just feel like the amount of complaining about recruiter emails is disproportionate to how inconvenient they actually are.
There's nothing wrong with disliking the emails--a lot of people get recruiter emails and just silently ignore them; a few complain loudly about them, and that's who I'm talking about.
Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by dylangs1030 on Friday August 09, 2013 @05:05PM
(#6188495)
Alternatively, quit your whining that you entered a profession where you're not as marketable, and don't minimize the problems people have even if they appear trivial.
I don't think you know much about how recruiters operate...they're very annoying and antagonize the process for small businesses/boutique firms. There is a reason why hiring managers will say they don't want recruiters.
Often, they obfuscate the process so you can't skip them to contact the representative company directly, and they'll embellish your resume in ways that make it impossible for the company to contact you directly.
I am in the camp that considers them more a nuisance than anything for many purposes, and while I appreciate that it might seem nice to be hounded by them, I share the parent's scorn, as I've never had a positive experience with them. And even if I had, it wouldn't invalidate what I've said.
tl;dr - Peoples' problems are peoples' problems. Other peoples' problems don't make them go away.
Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by shiven on Friday August 09, 2013 @05:23PM
(#6188626)
Alternatively, quit your whining that you entered a profession where you're not as marketable, and don't minimize the problems people have even if they appear trivial.
This being HN, by definition devs are certain to be over-represented, as well as their problems (real or imaginary!).
Also, since I know I am out of my peer group here, I hope that as I learn from fellow HNer's, I can also contribute, however minutely, and in this instance, by sharing perspective from my neck of the woods.
As to marketability, (something you also suggest) it varies across professions and disciplines, and I have no problem with that per se. From where I stand, the problem, as defined by you, and many others in other HN posts over the years, appears akin to complaining of flies when you are drinking from a river of honey.
Of course, there are annoyances in every facet of life, but from where I am looking at things, all I see is a bunch of fat piglets squealing that their milk is cold.
tl;dr - Peoples' problems are peoples' problems. Other peoples' problems don't make them go away, but they sure help provide some much needed PERSPECTIVE!
Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by wink on Friday August 09, 2013 @04:23PM
(#6188211)
They're trying to cash in a fat bonus, not getting people a job first and foremost. At least the ones who message me after not reading my profile, just having a single buzzword match.
Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by foobarbazqux on Friday August 09, 2013 @04:24PM
(#6188215)
My guess is people want to feel like coding is something meaningful and worthwhile that they do instead of a lucrative, in-demand job in which they function as an expensive but interchangeable cog.
Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by qntmfred on Friday August 09, 2013 @04:21PM
(#6188199)
because there's no unsubscribe. i went through a few recruiting agencies 5 years ago to get a job and now that my contact info is in all these recruiter databases, i get emails and/or phone calls almost daily. Even if I tell one recruiter I'm not interested, there will be a different one bothering me tomorrow. The worst part is that many of them are contacting me about jobs in a city that I don't even live in anymore.
Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by signed0 on Friday August 09, 2013 @04:32PM
(#6188275)
I don't hate them. I have no problem when they contact me through legitimate channels such as LinkedIn or StackOverflow. I even try to respond with a polite 'no' in most cases.
I have a problem with them abusing the git commit logs to get at my personal email as a way of manipulating me.
Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by dylangs1030 on Friday August 09, 2013 @05:08PM
(#6188524)
I'll give you my reasons:
1) I've never had a positive experience with recruiters.
2) They have an observable tendency to embellish your resume for their own purposes, refer you to other recruiters, and network you in soliciting ways that you don't know about at first and don't agree to.
3) They obfuscate the hiring process so that you and a company cannot directly interact without going through the recruiter, and make it difficult to have a candid relationship in the interview process.
4) They only exist as a middleman, adding an extra step to an interview process which I am opposed to on principle.
You're not doing this, but I really hate it when people minimize complaints about recruiters because they think we're spoiled. Those people tend to really not know much about how recruiters operate.
Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by absherwin on Friday August 09, 2013 @04:51PM
(#6188398)
Anyone seriously worried about privacy should also ensure that their gravatar doesn't point to their real email address, especially if there's a simple relationship between the email addresss and GitHub username.
Edit: Apparently, this doesn't re-write the actual repo so anyone seriously interested in e-mail addresses will be unaffected. It was already easier to get e-mails via cloning rather than through scraping or the API.
Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by plorkyeran on Friday August 09, 2013 @07:13PM
(#6189190)
The actual commits will have the fake address. The change isn't that they're hiding the email addresses in the UI; it's that they've added the option to use a fake email address for commits made via the web UI while still receiving notification emails from Github.
Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by technoweenie on Friday August 09, 2013 @05:11PM
(#6188551)
You don't need a valid email to commit to your repositories, but you do need one to use GitHub notifications. This feature makes it possible to use the web editor with a fake email address instead of your notifications email address.
Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by absherwin on Friday August 09, 2013 @05:06PM
(#6188507)
Absolutely nothing. According to the linked help page, a fake email address must be provided to git config. They'd need a separate copy of the repo with the blinded email address for public access. It's not hard to do but I imagine it would bother repo maintainers that an individual user could cause different repos to be served. Of course, everyone could just decide that email in commits isn't worth the privacy risk. It's a trade-off.
For the curious: Downloading all the repos and extracting email addresses takes 1-2 days and costs <$50 on AWS.
Re:Keep Your GitHub Email Address Private
by plorkyeran on Friday August 09, 2013 @07:11PM
(#6189181)
There previously was no way to use a fake email address when making changes from the web UI and still receive email notifications from Github since the same email address was used for both things.
Saw this problem in the bootstrap project where we still can't get in touch with ~10% of users to get them to approve the addition of an MIT license:
https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/issues/2054
I would literally dance on my hands if I were hounded (courted?) this way in my choice of profession (bio/pharmaceutical research)!
Hell, if someone knows where else I could put up email, phone and CV to be seen by successful recruiters, please let me know.
Quit the whining and be a bit more thankful for what you do have. Sheesh!
Boo Hoo, Just Look At Me, What An Awesome Developer I Am, That So Many Recruiters Spam Me With Their Offers
Darn, spoilt rich kids (devs) and their rich problems!
I think it's unfair that people have their motives for disliking something called into question just because they're in a certain strata that has that problem and not everyone else does.
There's nothing wrong with disliking the emails--a lot of people get recruiter emails and just silently ignore them; a few complain loudly about them, and that's who I'm talking about.
I don't think you know much about how recruiters operate...they're very annoying and antagonize the process for small businesses/boutique firms. There is a reason why hiring managers will say they don't want recruiters.
Often, they obfuscate the process so you can't skip them to contact the representative company directly, and they'll embellish your resume in ways that make it impossible for the company to contact you directly.
I am in the camp that considers them more a nuisance than anything for many purposes, and while I appreciate that it might seem nice to be hounded by them, I share the parent's scorn, as I've never had a positive experience with them. And even if I had, it wouldn't invalidate what I've said.
tl;dr - Peoples' problems are peoples' problems. Other peoples' problems don't make them go away.
This being HN, by definition devs are certain to be over-represented, as well as their problems (real or imaginary!).
Also, since I know I am out of my peer group here, I hope that as I learn from fellow HNer's, I can also contribute, however minutely, and in this instance, by sharing perspective from my neck of the woods.
As to marketability, (something you also suggest) it varies across professions and disciplines, and I have no problem with that per se. From where I stand, the problem, as defined by you, and many others in other HN posts over the years, appears akin to complaining of flies when you are drinking from a river of honey.
Of course, there are annoyances in every facet of life, but from where I am looking at things, all I see is a bunch of fat piglets squealing that their milk is cold.
tl;dr - Peoples' problems are peoples' problems. Other peoples' problems don't make them go away, but they sure help provide some much needed PERSPECTIVE!
See them for what they are(sales people wanting you as their next product) and get over it.
I have a problem with them abusing the git commit logs to get at my personal email as a way of manipulating me.
1) I've never had a positive experience with recruiters.
2) They have an observable tendency to embellish your resume for their own purposes, refer you to other recruiters, and network you in soliciting ways that you don't know about at first and don't agree to.
3) They obfuscate the hiring process so that you and a company cannot directly interact without going through the recruiter, and make it difficult to have a candid relationship in the interview process.
4) They only exist as a middleman, adding an extra step to an interview process which I am opposed to on principle.
You're not doing this, but I really hate it when people minimize complaints about recruiters because they think we're spoiled. Those people tend to really not know much about how recruiters operate.
Some developers do not welcome recruiters to contact them, but they get recruiters contacting them anyways.
Edit: Apparently, this doesn't re-write the actual repo so anyone seriously interested in e-mail addresses will be unaffected. It was already easier to get e-mails via cloning rather than through scraping or the API.
For the curious: Downloading all the repos and extracting email addresses takes 1-2 days and costs <$50 on AWS.
[1] https://help.github.com/articles/keeping-your-email-address-...